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I have owned a Hidrau Duet style bench for a number of years now. It still adjusts very easily no effort required. At first I liked the fact it was made of metal, however it is rather heavy. I think now a wooden one is a better choice. It still looks good and is very comfortable.

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Originally Posted by tre corda
I have owned a Hidrau Duet style bench for a number of years now. It still adjusts very easily no effort required. At first I liked the fact it was made of metal, however it is rather heavy. I think now a wooden one is a better choice. It still looks good and is very comfortable.
I'm glad you're liking the bench. FWIW, Hidrau's metal duet benches weigh far less than a wood frame scissor lift (crank style) duet bench.

There are some small, light duty scissor lift, wood frame benches that weigh less (~19 lbs) than a heavy-duty metal frame solo bench (26 lbs) from Hidrau. However, as soon as you compare any better quality scissor lift with wood frame with a metal frame Hidrau, the metal bench will weigh less. Comparing Hidrau models, their traditional wood frame, tufted top artist bench weighs about 10% more than the metal frame of the similar width.


A 43" wide Hidrau super-duet weighs just under 33 lbs. For perspective, the smaller 21.5" wide Jansen Standard Artist bench weighs just over 40 lbs. I don't have a 33" wide Jansen Duet Artist bench in my showroom to weigh, but I know it weighs significantly more than the Standard size.


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Has anyone ordered from Popplers Music in South Dakota? They have Hidrau 26" ERGO Top with leather for $660.00. Still a couple hundred more than Europe prices but still better than what I've found so far in the US.




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Originally Posted by keystring
Does anyone know how they compare? The Jansen site says they import the hydraulic bench (that's also mentioned in an old thread here) - I know the mechanical bench has a very good reputation.

This is a link to the Jansen
https://jansenpianobenches.com/prod...ench?_pos=1&_sid=9b3bd2a90&_ss=r

and this is a link to the Andexinger
https://jansenpianobenches.com/prod...ench?_pos=1&_sid=9b3bd2a90&_ss=r

I've heard good things about Hidrau but when I tried to order it last year and asked about Canada, my e-mail went into a bottomless pit.

Is there any particular reason why you want an hydraulic bench ?


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Originally Posted by Sidokar
Is there any particular reason why you want an hydraulic bench ?

Yes. But if I try to explain, it gets complicated.

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Originally Posted by PianoWorksATL
If Tom Lee has the BCTECH, you can always contact them to see if they have other Hidrau models. I was going to PM you about shipping to Canada, but you are over your PM limit.

I'm 97% sure where Jansen sources their hydraulic model, but since I'm not 100%, I don't want to post incorrect information.

Andexinger makes some good products, but coming from a few customers that have owned similar products from both Hidrau and Andexinger, those customers shared that they prefer Hidrau.

I can also say that the operating weight for the Paris or Chicago models is 99 lbs. The operating weight for the similar Andexinger benches is 140+ lbs. This is a spec we insisted on to include more pianists. The upper weight limit for the Paris and Chicago models is 600+ lbs, so very robust.

Sorry for the PM situation - I should be less sloppy about that. We've connected since.

Regarding the Jansen model, I asked them since writing so I do know 100%. They wrote me that they have never had a problem (I guess meaning they've not had complaints). At this point it became a toss-up between Andexinger and Hidrau.

I'm leaning toward Hidrau atm even if it's pricier because I suspect that after-care might be better in case it's ever needed (for that kind of investment), and also range of choices. I don't like the idea of a super-wide bench. I wrote the distributor of the And. asking if there is something less wide but am sure there isn't: it being night time across the pond no answer came yet. That said, I'm still torn between the two.

For price considerations: in my notes per today's exchange rate: I see $475 = $640 USD (that was the Jansen) etc., and I have other numbers scribbled down. There's an instant eek-factor. laugh

Gombessa Thank you for the picture of the feet. That looks good and solidly made.

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I live in Canada and bought the K&M one in 2022 from Amazon. It is very well made, gets a lot of use in our family (5 on the piano every day) and has worked really well. I bought it for $535 in Nov '22, so perhaps it will go on sale, though prices have gone up.
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B007PF2IBC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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I have an Andexinger hydraulic bench. It's good, but the operation isn't smooth anymore. I bought it in 2013.

Hidrau have different ranges, with different hydraulic mechanisms. I have a heavy wooden Hidrau with an old-fashioned screw mechanism and it's great.

I'd love to get the hydraulic version of the top concert bench, but it's very expensive.

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Originally Posted by PianoWorksATL
Originally Posted by tre corda
I have owned a Hidrau Duet style bench for a number of years now. It still adjusts very easily no effort required. At first I liked the fact it was made of metal, however it is rather heavy. I think now a wooden one is a better choice. It still looks good and is very comfortable.
I'm glad you're liking the bench. FWIW, Hidrau's metal duet benches weigh far less than a wood frame scissor lift (crank style) duet bench.

There are some small, light duty scissor lift, wood frame benches that weigh less (~19 lbs) than a heavy-duty metal frame solo bench (26 lbs) from Hidrau. However, as soon as you compare any better quality scissor lift with wood frame with a metal frame Hidrau, the metal bench will weigh less. Comparing Hidrau models, their traditional wood frame, tufted top artist bench weighs about 10% more than the metal frame of the similar width.


A 43" wide Hidrau super-duet weighs just under 33 lbs. For perspective, the smaller 21.5" wide Jansen Standard Artist bench weighs just over 40 lbs. I don't have a 33" wide Jansen Duet Artist bench in my showroom to weigh, but I know it weighs significantly more than the Standard size.
Yes you are correct, actually my Roland wooden bench is heavier than my metal duet bench.


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Originally Posted by johnstaf
I have an Andexinger hydraulic bench. It's good, but the operation isn't smooth anymore. I bought it in 2013.

Hidrau have different ranges, with different hydraulic mechanisms. I have a heavy wooden Hidrau with an old-fashioned screw mechanism and it's great.

I'd love to get the hydraulic version of the top concert bench, but it's very expensive.

John, this is why WD40 was invented.


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John, this is why WD40 was invented.

Good point. grin

I feel as if it's worn, as I can feel a bump when it moves up and down past the heights it has previously been set at.

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While we are on this subject:

Has anyone purchased THIS hydraulic Piano bench with back rest?

https://benchworld.com/product/adagio-chair-piano-chair-with-backrest-pneumatic-piano-bench/

let me know what you think of if - does it really help your back?

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Originally Posted by johnstaf
I have an Andexinger hydraulic bench. It's good, but the operation isn't smooth anymore. I bought it in 2013.

Hidrau have different ranges, with different hydraulic mechanisms. I have a heavy wooden Hidrau with an old-fashioned screw mechanism and it's great.

I'd love to get the hydraulic version of the top concert bench, but it's very expensive.

I missed that one earlier. Gombessa has had his for 5+ years - 2013 is twice as old. I now know that if something goes wrong over time, H can sell a replacement mechanism (the cylinders in this case). I asked Thomann (Andexinger) who said the issue has never arisen but got the answer "However, it is possible to get a complete spare metal frame with the cylinders inside if needed." - maybe that can solve your problem johnstaf - but that's also no longer just the cylinders.

So far from my experience and what I've been told, PianoWork/Hidrau is very approachable - a co. can 'never have encountered an issue' if they're less approachable, simply because they don't hear from their customers. I know very little about the overseas co.

Thing is that for Americans, Hidrau is sold in the same country and the same currency. In Canada, in both cases we've got the international aspect and exchange rates. There is quite a price difference but how long a thing lasts in good order or the possibility of putting it back in proper order is also a "cost consideration". Things have been crazy-busy and that's not a good time for making decisions. I have a slow brain for such things.

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Originally Posted by keystring
I asked Thomann (Andexinger) who said the issue has never arisen but got the answer "However, it is possible to get a complete spare metal frame with the cylinders inside if needed." - maybe that can solve your problem johnstaf - but that's also no longer just the cylinders.

Thanks Keystring. I appreciate you sharing that.

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