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Get the PX-130 or save more money. You wont find better product for this price.
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which has 16 voices the korg or the casio? From http://www.korg.com/Product.aspx?pd=565 the Korg has 10 voices: Piano x 2; E. Piano x 2; Harpsichord; Clav; Vibraphone; Pipe Organ; Electric Organ; Strings From the downloadable Casio manual, the PX-130 has 16 voices: 3 piano, 3 elec piano, harpsichord, vibraphone, pipe organ, 3 elec organs, 2 strings, 2 bass. It does layers and splits, and the splits are what make the bass sounds relevant. Of course, you can't just compare numbers. Korg's two pianos could be better than Casio's three, if they happen to include one you like better than any of Casio's. Plus you should compare how they feel. If you can't get to a store, you can at least hear some demos on their web sites.
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Am I understanding you want something with more voices? Casio does make a PX-575R(although I think it is being discontinued). It has around 900 voices. It's based on the Casio WK series workstations and is identical to the WK-3800. The major difference is it has weighted keys like the PX-130. It looks like Guitar Center still has these for $499. This model has been around a while and is being phased out, but if you want voices it has pianos, electric pianos, drawbar organs, strings, brass, guitars, and synths. There are 160 accompaniment rhythms, drum loops and kits so you can create your own beats. It has a 6 track recorder built in. You can layer, split, and edit many of the patches. It has a big digital display. There are some drawbacks to this board: 32 note polyphony, and USB MIDI. If you have XP, Vista, or Windows 7 32 bit O.S. you can connect it to a computer. If not you would need an audio interface as Casio isn't supporting 64 bit operating systems on their older boards. Truth be told, your're better off going with the current line and plugging into a computer, but if you want more sounds, the PX-575 is loaded with them. This would be similar to the YPG 535 in your original post and in your price range.
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Can I layer 2 different sounds with the px130? meaning playing the same keys with both sounds?
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Am I understanding you want something with more voices? Casio does make a PX-575R(although I think it is being discontinued). It has around 900 voices. It's based on the Casio WK series workstations and is identical to the WK-3800. The major difference is it has weighted keys like the PX-130. It looks like Guitar Center still has these for $499. This model has been around a while and is being phased out, but if you want voices it has pianos, electric pianos, drawbar organs, strings, brass, guitars, and synths. There are 160 accompaniment rhythms, drum loops and kits so you can create your own beats. It has a 6 track recorder built in. You can layer, split, and edit many of the patches. It has a big digital display. There are some drawbacks to this board: 32 note polyphony, and USB MIDI. If you have XP, Vista, or Windows 7 32 bit O.S. you can connect it to a computer. If not you would need an audio interface as Casio isn't supporting 64 bit operating systems on their older boards. Truth be told, your're better off going with the current line and plugging into a computer, but if you want more sounds, the PX-575 is loaded with them. This would be similar to the YPG 535 in your original post and in your price range. seems in interesting, but with some research, I have seen a bunch of people complaining that the usb driver doesnt really work for vista or 7
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The m-audio in the link is unweighted like the YPG-535. Casio did release a Vista/Windows7 driver that works with the 32 bit versions of Vista/Win7 for the older boards. It does not work with the 64 bit versions of Vista/Windows7. There is no driver for MAC O.S. The newer Casios (PX-130 on up) needs no driver. The keyboard will be recognized by the computer automatically. You do need MIDI recording software to use the piano. However, you select your own sounds from piano to organ to strings to synth using VST plug ins. There are a lot of free ones on the internet or you can buy your own. Yes, you can layer and split on the PX-130
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Damn, I have the 64 bit...thats not good.
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My advice is to get your priorities straight. If you want to have an acceptable piano sound and feel, you'll have to get an instrument with hammer-action. Otherwise you won't be able to control the piano dynamics all too well - weighted or semi-weighted actions just won't do for piano (or are at least a large compromise, too large if you ask me).
On the other hand drawbar organs for instance can't in fact be played right with hammer-action but need a waterfall keyboard. Otherwise you won't be able to play the B3- or Vox-typical styles.
So what should it be?
As I think your priority is piano play, the only options for you are the PX-130 and the SP-170. The SP-170 has the advantage of having a genuine MIDI-Out which enables you to get an external or internal Audio-Interface that works best with your computer and OS. However, the decision should be made dependent upon which sound and feel you like better. And well, better to try and stretch your budget a bit than waste your money on something you will regret only a short time later.
Forget the M-Audio, it's leagues behind the two above. And I said it above and I'll say it again: the number of voices says absolutely nothing.
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semi-weighted = unweighted, more or less. You'd get a synth action keyboard into playing like one by having rings on your fingers, they'd add the weight of the semi-weighted.
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@ryanpb:
drawbar organs for instance can't in fact be played right with hammer-action but need a waterfall keyboard. Otherwise you won't be able to play the B3- or Vox-typical styles. Honestly, I think the importance of a "waterfall" keyboard for organ is vastly over-rated. It should have little-to-no weighting, and no sharp edges, but the exact shape of the front of the key I think is of relatively little consequence. As I think your priority is piano play, the only options for you are the PX-130 and the SP-170. The SP-170 has the advantage of having a genuine MIDI-Out which enables you to get an external or internal Audio-Interface that works best with your computer and OS. Unfortunately, the SP-170 has the disadvantage of having no MIDI *In* which means there would be no way to use any of its internal sounds with a computer-based sequencer for recording.
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Honestly, I think the importance of a "waterfall" keyboard for organ is vastly over-rated. It should have little-to-no weighting, and no sharp edges, but the exact shape of the front of the key I think is of relatively little consequence.
My point was rather, that hammer-action is definitely not suited for organ play. I agree that a light-weighted keyboard action might do as well. However, then again a lightweighted keyboard is not suited for piano play. So there is no real "in-between". Whatever you choose, the other will become more like a toy-like feature than a musical opportunity.
Unfortunately, the SP-170 has the disadvantage of having no MIDI *In* which means there would be no way to use any of its internal sounds with a computer-based sequencer for recording.
In my opinion this feature is completely expendable for a digital piano in that price range. A MIDI-In is handy if you have a multi-keyboard setup on stage and want to access certain sounds on a slave from your main keyboard. The use case of recording MIDI on a computer, then playing it back to the piano to record Audio on the computer doesn't make sense to me. Why wouldn't I record the audio signal when playing right away?
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Why wouldn't I record the audio signal when playing right away? You might not have the piano skill to play the part perfectly. By recording MIDI, you can correct timing issues or bum notes, then by sending that MIDI back out to the keyboard, you can recreate the part without errors.
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Okay, agreed. You wouldn't be able to do that without a MIDI-in - in that case you might have to use a software piano. I still think it's not really a deal breaker and would definitely advise to try the Korg along with the Casio.
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In my opinion this feature is completely expendable for a digital piano in that price range. I agree, I've never used the midi in on my DP, quite possibly never will. I'd miss layering and keyboard splitting long before midi in. Nevertheless the SP170 is a great sounding, great playing DP well worth considering IMO.
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Forget the M-Audio, it's leagues behind the two above. And I said it above and I'll say it again: the number of voices says absolutely nothing.
I am not so sure LaRate, my personal experience is that on Casio keyboards you will have to check, double check and triple check the keyboard before buying it, I have seen Casios with some keys stocked, speakers not working, etc.... But I have never seen anything like that on M-Audio. My personal opinion, M-Audio has more Quality Control than Casio due to the experience I've had.
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I am not so sure LaRate, my personal experience is that on Casio keyboards you will have to check, double check and triple check the keyboard before buying it, I have seen Casios with some keys stocked, speakers not working, etc.... But I have never seen anything like that on M-Audio. My personal opinion, M-Audio has more Quality Control than Casio due to the experience I've had.
Well... I can't quite comment on the build quality of Casio since I haven't owned one. I only tried PX-330 and found it surprisingly good, also I haven't heard much negative comments about the Privia line at least. M-Audio is a nice manufacturer of affordable little helpers for your home studio. However, they have only one product that might fall under the category digital piano (ProKeys 88) and that has a horrible (hammer) action and not a nice piano sound. So I am not able to really contradict your opinion of M-Audio having a better quality management (neither can I affirm it). But they are definitely no player in the digital piano market.
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I'm leaning towards the px130, as of right now. It seems like it fits my needs and budget the most.
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Are you guys sure I can use ableton with this?
Also, do i need to have the stand to use the pedal board?
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What would you guys recommend closer to a $1,000 budget? I'm basically looking for a piano substitute for apt living
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