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Where does the Rd800 stands? between 2 and 3? Supernatural with more modelling features than other models, but not totally modeled?
The version of SuperNatural present on the RD-800 is the combined sampling and modelling (closest to 2) with almost 40 different SuperNatural acoustic piano variants, BUT it also adds SuperNatural Electric Pianos and SuperNatural Tonewheel Organs as well.
RD-800 is still one of my favourite "bang for the buck" pianos we've ever made.
Anyway, the LX-7 and the V-piano were side by side! The V-piano had the better action to my mind: crisper and more substantial. Now, I was surprised because I had played the same action (the PHAIII) a year earlier whilst testing the RD700NX and RD300NX, and I really didn't like that action at all. I suspect that the V-piano's modelling has affected my perception of the action, or, Roland modified the PHAIII (making it a pro action) or something.
For clarity:
The PHA-3 on the RD-700NX is the exact same physical action as on the V-Piano.
What most likely affected your perception was, of course the modelling sound engine, and the addition of a processor that scans the keybed and translates that data for the modelling engine. The V-Piano was a very tactile sensation. The player/instrument connection was unsurpassed at the time. And has been even improved over the years.
That processor has made it's way to many of the pianos in our line. Including the New HP/LX series.
RD-800 is still one of my favourite "bang for the buck" pianos we've ever made.
I have to second that and say "amen". I keep discovering new things that it can do.
Keys: Yamaha GC2, Casio Privia PX-5s, Roland RD800, Alesis VI61, Yamaha YC61, Pianoteq 7.0, Native Instruments, Gig Performer My motto: Play and Let Play!
RD-800 is still one of my favourite "bang for the buck" pianos we've ever made.
I have to second that and say "amen". I keep discovering new things that it can do.
Sorry to get OT, but I'll third that! I put it away for bit after the band breakup, even thought about selling it. Set it back up a few weeks ago. Now I'm discovering some new creative things for "me" - not a required "playlist". This new alone-time with my RD800 has been pretty amazing. It always was (is) an outstanding slab, but that computer-ish feeling I had is quickly going away in trade for connection. Im also learning that "connection" goes beyond just AP sounds.
The V-piano action is heavier than the acoustic grand's it was sat near; however, I still preferred that action over the LX-7's PHA-50. I don't own a V-piano, but would take one over the newer LX-7.
Another thing, V-piano's have kept their value quite well considering it's 7 year old technology: the second hand re-sale value is still in the £2000's--£3000 range. Despite the older tech, the V-piano is still sought after enough to make it expensive to buy second hand. I don't think V-piano owners would take any issue in seeing newer technology emerge into lower Roland models 7 years post-release of the V-piano. Sure, they'd like the V-piano updated perhaps.......
I might just be the longest-lived owner of the V-Piano here , and can truthfully say that all these six years (during which I've become more grizzled, unlike my V - which still plays like new) I've never had any desire to "upgrade" to a newer toy. Not even to the new modelled Rolands. Every time I visit a DP store to try out the new toys (which I do less & less as the years go by - I find them much of a muchness, and would rather go to an acoustic piano showroom instead), I don't find anything to rival what I've already got, in terms of a satisfying playing experience that's easily transferable to playing on acoustic grands.
As Jay is now talking about the V-Piano in the past tense, I presume it's no longer in production. Who knows, it might become a classic and worthy of a place in a DP museum, defining the moment when modelled digitals take over the world (like in those Terminator movies....... ).
The V-piano action is heavier than the acoustic grand's it was sat near; however, I still preferred that action over the LX-7's PHA-50. I don't own a V-piano, but would take one over the newer LX-7.
Another thing, V-piano's have kept their value quite well considering it's 7 year old technology: the second hand re-sale value is still in the £2000's--£3000 range. Despite the older tech, the V-piano is still sought after enough to make it expensive to buy second hand. I don't think V-piano owners would take any issue in seeing newer technology emerge into lower Roland models 7 years post-release of the V-piano. Sure, they'd like the V-piano updated perhaps.......
I might just be the longest-lived owner of the V-Piano here , and can truthfully say that all these six years (during which I've become more grizzled, unlike my V - which still plays like new) I've never had any desire to "upgrade" to a newer toy. Not even to the new modelled Rolands. Every time I visit a DP store to try out the new toys (which I do less & less as the years go by - I find them much of a muchness, and would rather go to an acoustic piano showroom instead), I don't find anything to rival what I've already got, in terms of a satisfying playing experience that's easily transferable to playing on acoustic grands.
As Jay is now talking about the V-Piano in the past tense, I presume it's no longer in production. Who knows, it might become a classic and worthy of a place in a DP museum, defining the moment when modelled digitals take over the world (like in those Terminator movies....... ).
I'll be Bach (- Arnie)
Sold one to a studio pro last week! Still being made!
Not discontinued to my knowledge. it is hard to remember NOT to speak of it in the past tense. So my apologies if you thought my post meant it was disco.
Keys: Yamaha GC2, Casio Privia PX-5s, Roland RD800, Alesis VI61, Yamaha YC61, Pianoteq 7.0, Native Instruments, Gig Performer My motto: Play and Let Play!
Having really hard time choosing between Roland FP30 VS Kawai ES100. I love Kawai's sound on many Youtube videos whereas it is relatively impossible to compare to FP30 as there is virtually no good comparable videos being posted by normal users other than Roland's own demo sounds.
So far Roland has pros in the release date (2016) and bluetooth feature. But Kawai beats Roland in # of polyphony and according to Youtube, it sounds better than Roland's.
Kawai is getting old and afterall I am choosing between 2 different computer products. And computer products don't keep values.
EDIT: No worries, last thing you need to worry about is polyphony. Anything over 128 (maybe even 64) will be plenty without dropping a note. Especially as a beginner.
EDIT: No worries, last thing you need to worry about is polyphony. Anything over 128 (maybe even 64) will be plenty without dropping a note. Especially as a beginner.
Thanks for this input! I have been reading a lot about different stage pianos and what are the important facts to consider when purchasing. And I also found that people discussing polyphony being "overrated." However, yesterday, I visited a music shop and tried 2 different models eg. Yamaha P45 with polyphony 64 and P115 with polyphony 192, I could hear the difference between the two. It may be a lot to do with how much you can accept "digital sound" in my opinion. But last night, I couldn't just ignore the fear of the fact that ES100 is using few years old computing parts VS Roland being technically new (even though I can't be sure of what parts they are using), I made an order to get Roland FP30. It will be my 2nd piano for my late night training. Can't wait
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