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Posted By: newer player Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/22/21 03:08 PM
18 months ago, I purchased a SSD called the ADATA SX8200 PRO. Initial reviews showed blistering speeds and low prices. On my laptop, the SSD is as fast as the reviews indicated.

More recently, some are claiming poorer performance on some newer SX8200 PRO drives, and that ADATA has been downgrading components over time. Swapping components over time is normal, but the change in performance is the issue being claimed. ADATAs box and advertising emphasized specs "upto", so there is some coverage there.

For now, I will be returning to branded SSDs (e.g. Samsung, Western Digital, Intel, etc.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/lk2f5i/breaking_news_adata_sx8200_pro_m2_ssd_performance/

Posted By: JayKominek Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/22/21 04:37 PM
Adata was never a reputable brand. Sorry to hear you got taken in.

Crucial, Seagate, and Kingston are the only other brands I'd consider purchasing from. Besides those you mention.
Posted By: newer player Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/22/21 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by JayKominek
Adata was never a reputable brand. Sorry to hear you got taken in.
Thanks Jay. I just got lucky as the review units and early units were unbelievably good.

Unfortunately, it seems some people did not get what they expected. Most won't know the difference but it's the principle.
Posted By: Gombessa Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/22/21 05:12 PM
Originally Posted by JayKominek
Adata was never a reputable brand. Sorry to hear you got taken in.

Crucial, Seagate, and Kingston are the only other brands I'd consider purchasing from. Besides those you mention.

Interesting, in the first 60 seconds of the LTT video linked, he literally says AData is a trusted brand.

Also interesting, the same LTT video linked ALSO says that the same downgrade scam is being claimed of Kingston (also noted as a reputable brand) crazy
Posted By: peterws Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/22/21 06:31 PM
Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by JayKominek
Adata was never a reputable brand. Sorry to hear you got taken in.

Crucial, Seagate, and Kingston are the only other brands I'd consider purchasing from. Besides those you mention.

Interesting, in the first 60 seconds of the LTT video linked, he literally says AData is a trusted brand.

Also interesting, the same LTT video linked ALSO says that the same downgrade scam is being claimed of Kingston (also noted as a reputable brand) crazy

You must be aware that in business, the line between reputable and disreputable can be crossed in the blinking of an eye . . .
Posted By: TheophilusCarter Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/22/21 09:22 PM
On a related note, I've bought some cheap micro SD cards online only to find they were crap. The moral of the story is: you get what you pay for - most of the time ...
Posted By: Sweelinck Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/22/21 09:49 PM
There have been reports of SSD forgeries that find their way into regular sales channels. They may be inferior products rebranded fraudulently, or instances of name brand products sampled for quality control tests that failed, but still found their way into sales channels.
Posted By: Gombessa Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/22/21 09:52 PM
NAND Flash forgeries are ridiculous. Just Google "Sandisk fraud" and you'll find dozens of reports of forgeries. It's amazing that it's worth it for fraudsters to go to the effort, with how thin the margins are.
Posted By: JoeT Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/23/21 07:28 AM
How is this topic even remotely related to digital pianos?
Posted By: EVC2017 Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/23/21 09:45 AM
Originally Posted by JoeT
How is this topic even remotely related to digital pianos?

Not worse than many posts in supposed-to-be topics. smile This one at least loosely relates with VSTs, and I suppose that was the reason for the OP. That said, threads like that should be prefixed with an "OT" per forum rules.


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Posted By: CyberGene Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/23/21 10:05 AM
JoeT knows very well it’s not just remotely related, it’s directly related to VST-s but he hates them which is why the grumpiness wink

I’ve been very happy with SanDisk products throughout the years.
Posted By: JoeT Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/23/21 10:54 AM
Originally Posted by EVC2017
This one at least loosely relates with VSTs

Yeah, as much as gravity relates to VSTs.

Originally Posted by CyberGene
JoeT knows very well it’s not just remotely related, it’s directly related to VST-s but he hates them which is why the grumpiness wink

I work with VST plugins every day.

The issue is when forums go off topic, the quality of the advice usually goes rock bottom. This thread is no exception. When a piano forum would start talking engine issues, because cars are loosely related to moving pianos, people will happily start exchanging opinions, but the usefulness of the advice will be nothing more than complete bollocks. What has been said so far about SSDs is at the same level.
Posted By: MacMacMac Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/23/21 01:20 PM
I don't agree.

Moving my instruments to SSD cut the loading time tremendously. And I'm surely not the only one to have done so.

Consequently ... that there exist cheap SSDs that don't meet specs is a perfectly acceptable topic.

And if you're not interested in the topic, it's very easy to not read the thread.
Posted By: EB5AGV Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/23/21 01:33 PM
I agree that SSDs and VSTs are perfectly related. I have all my music devoted computers fitted with SSDs. One of them has 3.5TB shared in three SSDs. All are from reputable brands and bought from reputable dealers. So far all is going well. I would hate to have a problem due to a faulty / false / rebranded SSD on any of my computers.

BTW, SSD prices are higher than a year and a half or so ago (pre COVID). So my next update, a 4TB SSD, has to wait.
Posted By: newer player Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/23/21 02:13 PM
Originally Posted by JoeT
How is this topic even remotely related to digital pianos?
Apologies JoeT.

Good NVME drives can significantly improve the VI experience with much faster loading times and smoother performance.

Samsung ruled the lands for years. But more recently, other companies stepped up their game with better price/performance and I had recommended these as alternatives at PW. Given that several outlets have called out ADATA's sketchy marketing, I wanted to revise this guidance.
Posted By: Gombessa Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/23/21 03:39 PM
A lot of large VSTs like Synchron take up a ton of space (and then a lot of folks here have multiple VSTs!). Also, there are still modern systems being shipped with relatively small 256-512GB drives, so I appreciate the occasional discussion about SSDs. Thanks newer player!
Posted By: Sweelinck Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/23/21 08:39 PM
Originally Posted by Gombessa
NAND Flash forgeries are ridiculous. Just Google "Sandisk fraud" and you'll find dozens of reports of forgeries. It's amazing that it's worth it for fraudsters to go to the effort, with how thin the margins are.

If a Sandisk flash fails its quality test and is sent to an unscrupulous electronics recycler who resells it, the margin is much higher because they paid nothing for it.
Posted By: mcontraveos Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/23/21 08:44 PM
Originally Posted by JoeT
The issue is when forums go off topic, the quality of the advice usually goes rock bottom.

The same things happen here while on topic!
Posted By: Gombessa Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/23/21 08:56 PM
Originally Posted by Sweelinck
If a Sandisk flash fails its quality test and is sent to an unscrupulous electronics recycler who resells it, the margin is much higher because they paid nothing for it.


Sure, but the thing is, these are usually not binned/failed genuine units. They're "legitimate" counterfeits, ground up. And they ship in high quality (also counterfeit) packaging and carriers, including hologrammed "seal of authenticity" marks. It's pretty amazing the lengths modern counterfeiters go to for essentially commodity items.
Posted By: Sweelinck Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/27/21 04:48 PM
I just read an article that claims that counterfeit products across all product domains form a $1 trillion/year industry worldwide. Some of the more insidious ones are: counterfeit pharmaceutical products, counterfeit batteries that cause fires, and counterfeit motherboards with security trapdoors.
Posted By: Bruce In Philly Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/28/21 12:01 PM
I was burnt years ago by cheap memory cards for my camera.... I lost most of Northern Italy on that trip. For computer, camera, etc...... I only stick to name brands such as Sandisk, Samsung, etc.

I am amazed that something so sophisticated as these devices can be made like crap, or cheaply, or whatever.

Peace
Bruce in Philly
Posted By: TheophilusCarter Re: Caution with cheap SSDs - 06/28/21 12:28 PM
Not just name brands, but ones bought from reliable sources. I bought "Sandisk" cards off Amazon and regretted it; after that, I just went to a local store (Target, I think), and never had problems again.
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