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Posted By: egarner01 Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/11/21 07:32 PM
Just pulled the trigger on the ES920 but I wanted a portable stand. So far this one appeals to me: König & Meyer K&M Keyboard Table Style-Piano Music Stand (18953)
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Looks like the ES920 is larger than the stand. Anyone have any experience with this stand? Any suggestions?

TIYA

Edward
Posted By: Terrilyn Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/11/21 09:11 PM
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ZStd--on-stage-stands-ks7350-pro-heavy-duty-z-stand

I have had this one an one you showed for myself. I prefer the Z above as there is little movement—an more room under -not sure if gator or Atlas has any but stronger .
My Kawai weighs only like 26 lbs.
keep your parts list
Posted By: ColoRodney Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/11/21 09:29 PM
I use one of these T-stands for my ES8 and my ES520. Stable as a rock. And sometimes I play at jams in people's back yards these days, so being able to lengthen some legs makes it level on rough ground. I have an un-branded Z stand that I got with the ES520, but it's not as solid. It rocks side to side.
Posted By: SeaDrive Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/11/21 09:41 PM
I own the OnStage KS7350 that Terrilyn referenced, and I really like it. It would easily support the ES920, and it's half the price of the K&M stand you're looking at.
Posted By: Purdy Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/11/21 09:58 PM
I have an onstage z stand a good value and it will hold that weight but I disliked the cross brace but I used it for a long time.

It’s nice if you stand.

I have a k&m omega stand that has a clear middle, the k&m stand you had in that post looks like a good design.
Posted By: pwl Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/11/21 11:28 PM
I've owned the stand ColoRodney links to for MANY years, with numerous keyboards including a heavy Kawai MP9000. It's very flexible in terms of accommodating different sizes and weights, it folds up easily if you ever need to, and it's VERY stable.

Edward - I should also add that I recall numerous posts over the years by owners of the stand you're considering. VERY positive posts, with emphasis on its stability.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/11/21 11:46 PM
Originally Posted by egarner01
Just pulled the trigger on the ES920 but I wanted a portable stand. So far this one appeals to me: König & Meyer K&M Keyboard Table Style-Piano Music Stand (18953)
[Linked Image]

Looks like the ES920 is larger than the stand. Anyone have any experience with this stand? Any suggestions?

I typically recommend the slightly deeper K&M 18950 for heavy, wooden key Kawai instruments such as the MP11SE and VPC1, however for smaller plastic key instruments such as the MP7SE and ES920/ES520, the 18953 should be absolutely fine.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: egarner01 Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/12/21 12:23 AM
Thanks to you all for the quick reply. Here is your reward:

One rainy day, a puddle had formed in front of the local pub.

An old man stood beside the puddle holding a stick with a string on the end and was jiggling it up and down in the water. A curious gentleman asked what he was doing.

“Fishing,” replied the old man.

“Poor old fool,” thought the gentleman. So he invited the old man to have a drink in the pub.

Feeling he should start some conversation while they were sipping their whisky, the gentleman asked “And how many have you caught”

“You’re the eighth.”
Posted By: egarner01 Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/12/21 01:57 AM
FYI: Amazon has the König & Meyer K&M Keyboard Table Style-Piano Music Stand (18953) for $181.14 (back-ordered). That price is over $58 cheaper than other places.
Posted By: 9190 Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/12/21 09:18 AM
At Thomann it's $116.53
Posted By: SeaDrive Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/12/21 11:04 AM
Amazon also has the KS7350, for 68 bucks, available now. One in the hand is worth any number of backordered items shipping from the UK at an unknown time in the future! smile
Posted By: 36251 Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/12/21 12:13 PM
Just watch out and don't get bitten. I wish these type of stands had mechanisms to lock them closed when moving. I know, and have used bungies, etc., but all these stand companies could engineer a fix.
Posted By: Ralphiano Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/12/21 02:02 PM
I've had this one (Griffin two tier stand) for a couple of weeks, and it is very good. It doesn't move when playing. And, it has a lot of leg room below. And, the center legs work as a nice backstop for the wood board that keeps my VPC1 3 pedal unit from moving.

There is a similar one on Amazon from Pyle. But, I don't think it is as good, as the 90 degree bend of the legs is a bolted connection, whereas the Griffin is welded at that point.

I do not use the upper tier. But, the rail that holds the upper tier is very strong and provides a solid base for the swing arm for my 22 inch computer monitor.

I'm very happy with this purchase.

Oh, the Amazon vermin now show me a price of $109 because I've looked at it numerous times. But, if you look at it for the first time, it might show you a price of $98, which is the price I paid for it.
Posted By: SeaDrive Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/12/21 02:59 PM
Ralph, I looked at the stand on Amazon, and the price was $109.95. It's being offered for sale by a third party, not Amazon itself, so the price will change, depending on who is actually selling the item.
Posted By: Abdol Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/12/21 04:40 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
I typically recommend the slightly deeper K&M 18950 for heavy, wooden key Kawai instruments such as the MP11SE and VPC1, however for smaller plastic key instruments such as the MP7SE and ES920/ES520, the 18953 should be absolutely fine.

Kind regards,
James
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Why Kawai isn't making a stand that fits its portable keyboards? Two models one portable and one for home/studio. Shouldn't be that difficult to design and manufacture it.
Posted By: nbpf Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/12/21 05:24 PM
Yes, it would be nice if manufacturers would offer aesthetically appealing portable stands for their portable pianos. I do not understand what is the point of selling non-portable stands for portable pianos. Korg make a nice stand (albeit perhaps not very practical?) for their D1 but for ES110, ES520, ES920, FP-30X, FP-60X, FP-90X, etc. one has to rely on ugly third-party stands. Not very inspiring ...
Posted By: ColoRodney Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/13/21 06:50 PM
Originally Posted by nbpf
Yes, it would be nice if manufacturers would offer aesthetically appealing portable stands for their portable pianos. I do not understand what is the point of selling non-portable stands for portable pianos. Korg make a nice stand (albeit perhaps not very practical?) for their D1 but for ES110, ES520, ES920, FP-30X, FP-60X, FP-90X, etc. one has to rely on ugly third-party stands. Not very inspiring ...

Well, to Kawai's credit, they make very nice furniture-style stands. And portable stands are a matter of personal preference, so buy the one you like.

That said, nothing beats the mid-mod Korg STWL stand for the SV-2.If I get an SV2, I'm going to want that stand (if I can even find one in the U.S.).

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Posted By: nbpf Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/13/21 08:19 PM
Sure but my point was why do Kawai (and Roland) make non-portable stands for portable pianos? That does not make any sense to me. I am going to buy a small portable piano for when I go to a holiday cottage but I am not going to buy one with a non-portable stand! The Korg STWL also fits the D1, something like that for the Kawai ES series or for the Roland FP series would be perfect.
Posted By: Purdy Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/14/21 06:02 AM
Roland makes 4 portable stands

Ks 10
Ks 12
Ks 20
Ks g8b
Posted By: nbpf Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/14/21 06:55 AM
Originally Posted by Purdy
Roland makes 4 portable stands

Ks 10
Ks 12
Ks 20
Ks g8b

True but they are general purpose stands like the K&Ms, not custom stands for their FP devices like the KSC-70 for the FP-30(X).
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/14/21 08:50 AM
Originally Posted by Abdol
Why Kawai isn't making a stand that fits its portable keyboards?

Which model? The ES110, ES920/ES520, MP7SE, or MP11SE? They all have different sizes/weights.

Originally Posted by Abdol
Two models one portable and one for home/studio.

So eight different stands in total?

Originally Posted by Abdol
Shouldn't be that difficult to design and manufacture it.

...and presumably sell for less than the price of an equivalent product manufactured by K&M, OnStage, Ultimate Support, Gator, Hercules, or any other company that specialises in producing thousands of stands per year?

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: nbpf Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/14/21 12:09 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Abdol
Why Kawai isn't making a stand that fits its portable keyboards?

Which model? The ES110, ES920/ES520, MP7SE, or MP11SE? They all have different sizes/weights.

Originally Posted by Abdol
Two models one portable and one for home/studio.

So eight different stands in total?

Originally Posted by Abdol
Shouldn't be that difficult to design and manufacture it.

...and presumably sell for less than the price of an equivalent product manufactured by K&M, OnStage, Ultimate Support, Gator, Hercules, or any other company that specialises in producing thousands of stands per year?

Kind regards,
James
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Well, the Korg ST-WL mentioned above actually fits 3 portable pianos (SV-1, SV-2 and D1) and costs more than many non-custom, generic stands by K&M, OnStage, Ultimate Support, Gator or Hercules. Korg also offer the ST-SV1 that also fits the D1 and the SV-1 and looks even better than the ST-WL, in my view.

I do not know how successful (or unsuccessful) the ST-WL and the ST-SV1 are and I understand that most people have no problem with generic (and mostly quite ugly, in my view) stands. For a portable piano, I would rather buy a lightweight, portable, aesthetically appealing custom stand, even if this is more expensive than a generic stand.
Posted By: Sebs Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/14/21 02:40 PM
I bought the stand you're considering, the K&M 18953. I love it. I have a Nord Stage 3 sitting on it and yes the stand is smaller than the keyboard which I like. It was easy to set up and adjust. It also has plenty of attachments you can buy for it if needed. What I really like is how solid it is the feet adjust so it has no wobble at all. The stand is so solid when you unfold it it locks is with a lot of tension hard to explain but it will not come undone. Then it can collapse and be very portable. Let me know if you want some photos or have any questions. I highly recommend this stand.
Posted By: Abdol Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/14/21 04:53 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Abdol
Why Kawai isn't making a stand that fits its portable keyboards?

Which model? The ES110, ES920/ES520, MP7SE, or MP11SE? They all have different sizes/weights.

Originally Posted by Abdol
Two models one portable and one for home/studio.

So eight different stands in total?

Originally Posted by Abdol
Shouldn't be that difficult to design and manufacture it.

...and presumably sell for less than the price of an equivalent product manufactured by K&M, OnStage, Ultimate Support, Gator, Hercules, or any other company that specialises in producing thousands of stands per year?

Kind regards,
James
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How come Yamaha, Korg, and Roland all have stands? The length can be adjustable. We all know how these stands work.

I'm not talking about a bunch of bars welded together like K&M etc. Those are some ugly stands. I'm talking about something like Yamaha's LG-800. It fits many keyboards.

It's not about the price Kawai James. It's about the ecosystem.

The stands that Yamaha, Roland, and Korg have are much nicer and pleasing to the eyes than those you mentioned.

You made me dissappointed. How come Yamaha can make a stand that fits all portable keyboards made by Yamaha and Kawai, but Kawai can't make one for its DPs?
Posted By: Abdol Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/14/21 04:57 PM
Kawai James, the K&M stands (or any metal stand) reminds me of Walmart's cheapo foldable table:


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I'm talking about something classy man. Forget about that ugly stuff. Something nice. Something you can put in your home studio without looking like you're at a picnic.
Posted By: nbpf Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/14/21 05:40 PM
Originally Posted by Sebs
I bought the stand you're considering, the K&M 18953. I love it. I have a Nord Stage 3 sitting on it and yes the stand is smaller than the keyboard which I like. It was easy to set up and adjust. It also has plenty of attachments you can buy for it if needed. What I really like is how solid it is the feet adjust so it has no wobble at all. The stand is so solid when you unfold it it locks is with a lot of tension hard to explain but it will not come undone. Then it can collapse and be very portable. Let me know if you want some photos or have any questions. I highly recommend this stand.

That's good to know, thanks! The K&M 18953 is what I would buy if I do not find a portable with a decent custom portable stand that I like. From pictures, the Nord Stage 3 has a flat base that fits very well to the 18953. Do you know whether there is a way to fix more slender keyboards like the FP-30 or the ES-110 to the stand? I am looking for a keyboard+stand combo that I can easily move around and, one or two times per year, disassemble, load onto the car and take with me. I would not mind the Kawai or Roland custom non-portable stands but I do not know whether they are made to survive more than a few assembling/disassembling cycles.
Posted By: Purdy Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/14/21 08:38 PM
I’ll just offer my opinion.

None of the portable stands look really good in the home.

I would get one of the wood bases.

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It appears to me that you could easily assemble and disassemble multiple times.

https://www.kawai-global.com/data/manuals/HML-1_EGFSI_R101.pdf

Perhaps Kawai James or some else can comment on that.

And honestly the only thing unique about the “purpose built” stands might be the mounting method and sticker. With a little bit of ingenuity I bet you could use those Korg stands.

I don’t really see that the K&m table with square tubing is any different than the Korg table with round tubing,

I’ll admit there is a bit of modern industrial vibe to the K&m but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

One thing that would be nice is if there could at least be some standard in foot placement and or screw attachment points.

One thing I did recently is make some feet adapters and perhaps that is something kawai could do in partnership with another company and along with a sticker that would be a “custom” stand.

Anyway I have my keyboard on a K&m omega stand and it is pretty functional piece of stuff and the looks sort of grow on you,

Custom feet

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Posted By: Sebs Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/15/21 12:44 AM
Originally Posted by nbpf
Originally Posted by Sebs
I bought the stand you're considering, the K&M 18953. I love it. I have a Nord Stage 3 sitting on it and yes the stand is smaller than the keyboard which I like. It was easy to set up and adjust. It also has plenty of attachments you can buy for it if needed. What I really like is how solid it is the feet adjust so it has no wobble at all. The stand is so solid when you unfold it it locks is with a lot of tension hard to explain but it will not come undone. Then it can collapse and be very portable. Let me know if you want some photos or have any questions. I highly recommend this stand.

That's good to know, thanks! The K&M 18953 is what I would buy if I do not find a portable with a decent custom portable stand that I like. From pictures, the Nord Stage 3 has a flat base that fits very well to the 18953. Do you know whether there is a way to fix more slender keyboards like the FP-30 or the ES-110 to the stand? I am looking for a keyboard+stand combo that I can easily move around and, one or two times per year, disassemble, load onto the car and take with me. I would not mind the Kawai or Roland custom non-portable stands but I do not know whether they are made to survive more than a few assembling/disassembling cycles.

I think it would fit a slender keyboard even better as my stage 3 hangs over all sides. It’s more compact than you might think and fold ups very small. Feel free to direct message if you want pics or videos of it with the stage 3 and folded up. Happy to help out.


Originally Posted by Abdol
Kawai James, the K&M stands (or any metal stand) reminds me of Walmart's cheapo foldable table:


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I'm talking about something classy man. Forget about that ugly stuff. Something nice. Something you can put in your home studio without looking like you're at a picnic.

I know what you mean but I have to disagree. I also have a wood stand and I think the KM stand looks just as nice more like a vintage stage stand to me. It’s all preference I don’t think the fake wood stands are any more classy than nice KM stands. Now if we were talking about X stand then those to me look like crap.
Posted By: Ralphiano Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/15/21 02:48 AM
Originally Posted by Purdy
I’ll just offer my opinion.

None of the portable stands look really good in the home.

I would get one of the wood bases.

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It appears to me that you could easily assemble and disassemble multiple times.

Repeated dis-assemblies is a bad idea with these type of stands. They are not wood. Rather, they are made of a composite of wood chips and glue (Medium Density Fiberboard, or, MDF). Each time you run a fastener/screw into the same hole, the hole deteriorates and loses some of its ability to hold the screw threads. It would not take too many breakdowns and re-assemblies to render the stand unstable, and eventually, useless.
Posted By: Purdy Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/15/21 04:52 AM
From the manual I would say you can disassemble the Kawai wood stand multiple times. The screws are all threaded into metal not into the wood.

I think it would easily survive being taken apart once or twice a year.

And you could easily take the keyboard off on every day if you needed.
Posted By: nbpf Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/15/21 05:29 AM
Yes, from the manual and from the pictures it seems that the screws of the Kawai stands are threaded into metal. This would make the stands more usable for occasional transport. Not sure the same holds for the Roland stands, however. On the cons side, neither the Kawai stands not the Roland ones appear to have adjustable feet. This can be very annoying. The K&M 18953 is very good in this respect, not sure about the K&M Omega stand, it also does not appear to have adjustable feet. I personally find the 18953 more aesthetically appealing than the Kawai and Roland stands but that's a matter of personal preferences, of course. At the same time, I find many portable stands quite ugly, especially X and Z stands. The main problem of non-custom stands is how to fix the keyboard to the stand. This is perhaps less of a problem for heavy keyboards but the FP-30 and the ES-110 that are quite light and slender and I doubt that they would sit very stably on the 18953. The Korg D1 can be fixed to the Korg portable stands with two screws, I understand. Four would be better but two is still better than nothing.
Posted By: Purdy Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/15/21 02:23 PM
The fp30 and es110 are still over 25lbs and are plenty stable. The problem is sliding.

Normally you get some bumper strips that you can use to customize where the keyboard rests.

If you customize the bottom of your keyboard with some stick on feet that match up with the frame of the stand and act as stops to keep it from sliding side to and front to back, you should not have any issues.

I used double sided tape on my 24 lbs Casio on a z stand. I imagine you could use Velcro or even

and a little bit goes a long ways.

3m dual lock

I’m not a fan of x or z stands either.
Posted By: Sebs Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/15/21 02:55 PM
I agree with @ralphino and even if it's ok to disassemble a wood stand it's a pain. I don't even like to take my wood apart when I move. I'm a big fan on making things as simple as possible any thing that could be a barrier to playing I try to avoid. If a stand was a pain to take apart and reassemble I might skip bringing it somewhere versus not having to do any extra steps such as with a 18953 I'd be much more likely to bring it with.

Originally Posted by nbpf
Yes, from the manual and from the pictures it seems that the screws of the Kawai stands are threaded into metal. This would make the stands more usable for occasional transport. Not sure the same holds for the Roland stands, however. On the cons side, neither the Kawai stands not the Roland ones appear to have adjustable feet. This can be very annoying. The K&M 18953 is very good in this respect, not sure about the K&M Omega stand, it also does not appear to have adjustable feet. I personally find the 18953 more aesthetically appealing than the Kawai and Roland stands but that's a matter of personal preferences, of course. At the same time, I find many portable stands quite ugly, especially X and Z stands. The main problem of non-custom stands is how to fix the keyboard to the stand. This is perhaps less of a problem for heavy keyboards but the FP-30 and the ES-110 that are quite light and slender and I doubt that they would sit very stably on the 18953. The Korg D1 can be fixed to the Korg portable stands with two screws, I understand. Four would be better but two is still better than nothing.

Omega has no adjustable feet unless they changed it recently. The 18953 feet are great. Not only do they thread in so you can adjust them up/down about 3/4" which you would only need if you have a really bad uneven surface as they also have a tilt so they basically just settle on their own and remove any wobble.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/16/21 04:15 AM
Originally Posted by Abdol
Kawai James, the K&M stands (or any metal stand) reminds me of Walmart's cheapo foldable table:


[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]


I'm talking about something classy man. Forget about that ugly stuff. Something nice. Something you can put in your home studio without looking like you're at a picnic.

I have a K&M 18950 at home, supporting an MP8II, with a Nord Electro placed on top. It's an excellent stand - the best I've ever used. I don't play gigs very often (especially not these days...), however when I did, I would always bring my K&M to the venue - even if the place arranged for a keyboard stand, because I knew it would either be an x-stand, or a piece of rubbish table stand that wobbled laterally when pushed.

As for appearance, I'm afraid I don't "see" the Walmart table that you're referring to, nor do I have a problem with the K&M design. After all, when the MP8II is placed on top, all I can see is 4 legs sticking out from underneath anyway, so in that respect it's not dissimilar to the Korg stand mentioned above.

Oh well, agree to disagree, I suppose?
First world problems, etc.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/16/21 04:23 AM
Regarding disassembling and then reassembling stands such as the HM-5 or HML-1 used by the ES920/ES520 and ES110 respectively, I believe this should be okay once in a while - for example when moving house. However, I would not recommend doing this on a regular basis, just as I wouldn't recommend disassembling and reassembling a piece of Ikea furniture on a regular basis.

The ES instruments are attached to their respective furniture stands with screws, which can be removed relatively easily when needing to take the piano to a practice session or a live gig. However, it's probably best to leave the furniture stand at home (assembled) and use a portable stand to support the instrument. My vote would be for the K&M 18953 or 18950.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Sweelinck Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/16/21 04:38 AM
K&M stand for Nord keyboards:

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/OmegaStdRed--k-and-m-omega-table-style-keyboard-stand-red
Posted By: AlexBltn Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/16/21 10:58 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
I have a K&M 18950 at home, supporting an MP8II

Kawai James, I've been wondering for a long time why you are still using the old MP8II from 2007. Does this mean that you do not find the newer models (MP10, MP11, MP11SE) more attractive (both technically and externally), that you don't even have the desire to update the MP8II, despite the fact that you probably have good perks to do it, as a Kawai employee? Observing this fact, it even seems to me that this does not play in favor of new models.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 04/16/21 11:09 AM
Alex, I only use the MP8II as a MIDI controller. I like the action, it plays fine, so I don't really have a need to update it.

That might change if/when the VPC2 is released though. ;p
Posted By: egarner01 Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 05/10/21 04:10 PM
Originally Posted by 9190
At Thomann it's $116.53

That's a winner! Thanks.
Posted By: egarner01 Re: Looking for a ES920 portable stand - 05/10/21 04:11 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Regarding disassembling and then reassembling stands such as the HM-5 or HML-1 used by the ES920/ES520 and ES110 respectively, I believe this should be okay once in a while - for example when moving house. However, I would not recommend doing this on a regular basis, just as I wouldn't recommend disassembling and reassembling a piece of Ikea furniture on a regular basis.

The ES instruments are attached to their respective furniture stands with screws, which can be removed relatively easily when needing to take the piano to a practice session or a live gig. However, it's probably best to leave the furniture stand at home (assembled) and use a portable stand to support the instrument. My vote would be for the K&M 18953 or 18950.

Cheers,
James
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