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Sam
I wonder if the technical feedback option is defaulting to No? I see a lot more "No" than usual.
Posted By: psyche23 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by bSharp(C)yclist
I wonder if the technical feedback option is defaulting to No? I see a lot more "No" than usual.

Yeah I think it is. I distinctly remember having to select 'Yes' when submitting my recording.
I'm pretty sure I selected "Yes" to technical feedback (which I much appreciate getting), but it appears as "No" in the official listing. I suspect some software glitch.
Posted By: Flygbladet Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 01:23 PM
Yup
I also put a "yes"
01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky A fun piece very well done!

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu This seems like a very difficult piece (that I have never attempted), but you held it together well.

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545 A steadier tempo in some places would help to please the connoisseurs but the one you have is more than adequate for the casual listener. This is really a very clean performance! Well done!

04. Sam S - Etude 2 This is a very interesting almost atmospheric piece and I would like to learn it at some point. The performance was perfection. The slide show is lovely and goes very nicely with the music.

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) Nicely done!
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 01:35 PM
Originally Posted by Jason Lenthe
03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545 A steadier tempo in some places would help to please the connoisseurs but the one you have is more than adequate for the casual listener. This is really a very clean performance! Well done!

100% agreed on the need for a steadier tempo, Jason. If only I had the chops to do it! 😁 Thanks for listening and for the honest feedback.
Posted By: Sam S Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 01:36 PM
Originally Posted by bSharp(C)yclist
I wonder if the technical feedback option is defaulting to No? I see a lot more "No" than usual.

I probably screwed something up when I added the csv export. Too late to fix this recital though. I'll track it down before #64.

Sam
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 01:50 PM
Originally Posted by Sam S
Originally Posted by bSharp(C)yclist
I wonder if the technical feedback option is defaulting to No? I see a lot more "No" than usual.

I probably screwed something up when I added the csv export. Too late to fix this recital though. I'll track it down before #64.

Sam

I spotted it when I resubmitted. the default is off. Having broad, sloping shoulders, I switched mine on!
Posted By: Augustina Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 02:18 PM
I forgot about that.. I forgot to put yes.. frown
Posted By: Qazsedcft Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 02:25 PM
I also distinctly remember selecting 'yes' and would definitely appreciate feedback.
Posted By: dumka1 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 02:33 PM
I also meant to put "yes." I recall something being weird with that part of the form...
Posted By: Pianist685 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 03:01 PM
The issue is there since the Great American Songbook recital. Maybe we should leave the preset "no" if we want to say "yes"...
Posted By: tyschoco Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 03:56 PM
First time giving feedback! Not gonna do it entirely in order, i am gonna start with the more popular selection first.

As some other posters have pointed our technical feedback may have been set to default "no", so i am gonna write with some feedback, hopefully this doesn't come off as too strong for some people :')

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu
A good moderate and steady speed for this very challenging pieces. You definitely have some shaping and good musical ideas there especially in the middle section. Love your touch and the tone of the piano you are recording on. On a slightly more critical note, i am sure you will clean up the little smudges and hiccups, perhaps the tempo should not fluctuate too much as i feel that some tempo changes can be done in more tasteful places (perhaps corresponding to melodic contours or interesting harmonies?) But that is just me being picky, as said, it really is a good attempt for a very challenging piece. Well done!

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545
Personally i am also planning to learn this the following year, pretty excited to hear someone learn this whole sonata. I will break my feedback per movement:

1st Movement, Allegro: The first half of the exposition section (scale passages) was quite well shaped and steady. Past the trill motif in the second half of the, the fingerwork and tempo does get a little unsteady as you pointed out in your recital post. In general as i am hearing this, the tempo seems to become unsteady mainly in the broken chords and the trill motifs (perhaps due to discomfort with the coordination?) causing the tempo to drop below what you started. Perhaps for future pieces you may want to look into more metronome practice? Just a suggestion! But i don't want to take away from the fantastic work you have placed in, i think it is already a fantastic attempt.

2nd Movement, Andante: Good Shaping ideas, very steady. Rather tasteful phrasing. Perhaps a little more direction in certain places? You draw some attention to the interesting harmonies and key changes so your instincts are rather spot on! Well played

3rd Movement, Rondo Allegretto, Good steady tempo for a start, ignoring the small little slip ups. Things were kept rather steady and the piece was more or less there. I like the energy towards the end as well

Overall, i think this was a really good attempt at a piece that you feel you you lack the technical prowess for. In fact, I'd say you may not be that far off the mark from having the technique required to play the piece steady, so really good work on your part. I look forward to hearing more from you laugh

04. Sam S - Etude 2
Really beautiful piece and good playing! Your voicing is rather good in the middle section. I like your dynamic details as well, keeps things nice and interesting. Definitely a good workout for your fifth finger in your right hand haha. Very clean, thoroughly enjoyed it!

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20)
Some Heller etudes yay laugh
No 24, Over Hill and Dale: This etude is surprisingly challenging a good attempt at it, your voicing is coming through and dynamic ideas are there I'll leave a few more critical comments in a spoiler tag:
This etude is really challenging due to the speed as well as the need to keep the fingerwork very clear and precise, currently the 2nd and 3rd of note of each triplets are getting ghosted thus making the piece feel a little unsteady. Perhaps some cleaning up on the fingerwork would be serve the piece better? smile

No 20, Ballet: Quite clean! good use of the pedal as there is very minimal (if any) mushing of the harmonies. You have a good touch on this piece and nice phrasing ideas are coming through, a very enjoyable listen.
You picked a manageable tempo for this. This etude i believe needs to be played much much faster than your rendition to bring out both the Allegro performance marking as well as the technical facility that the etude is written for such as broken chords, voiced melody on chords and the rapid left hand figures.


14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779)
Coincidentally i just started learning this as well! Fun little piece. You choose a very suitable tempo for you and its very steady and clean. I like that. I think you should be rightly proud of your recording. If i am being nitpicky (since you have technical feedback on), the imitation between the voices could be brought out more and perhaps more energy could be in the playing, maybe when you get even better, a faster tempo may serve in that pursuit? But overall this is really good!

I'll continue posting more feedback tomorrow, hope this is helpful in some way to the fantastic players smile
Posted By: Talão Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 04:49 PM
Not sure how many I'm going to be able to listen to overall. But I'll try as many as my time permits. Here are the first five:

01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky
Love the blues-y feel! So relaxing and pleasing!

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu
I think it's quite impressive that you achieved this level of playing in just 5 years while being mostly self taught. I wouldn't dare reach out for this particular piece until I had about 10 years of piano *with* a teacher. Very well done!

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545
This one is on my radar because I really want to learn it. Funny it's called "sonata facile" because it's not "facile" at all :-) Enjoyed your playing very much! Lively, delicate, crisp fast passages, etc.

04. Sam S - Etude 2
I like Philip Glass's music in general. Did not know about his etudes before today. I think you made it very Philip Glass-y, as in, made me feel the exact sensations I associate with listening to his music. I love when the intensity picks up at around 4:50. Great playing!

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20)
I didn't think I had ever listened to Stephen Heller pieces before. The very first impression I got at the beginning of Hill and Dale was that the notes were "on top of each other." I'm sure it's by design, but it was new to me to hear something like this. Maybe there's a technical term for this? Almost "disorganized," if you know what I mean. Not that your playing was disorganized; I'm sure it's challenging to play and you sounded perfectly in control of what was happening. It's the composer's intention, I guess, to make it sound that way. The Ballet piece was *gorgeous* and then I realized I *had* heard it before :-)
Posted By: wouter79 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 05:07 PM
Yes I'd also like to get technical feedback. Sam, can you fix these settings?
Posted By: wouter79 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 05:29 PM
Talão thanks for the detailed comments! Glad that you liked it.

>The very first impression I got at the beginning of Hill and Dale was that the notes were "on top of each other."

Yes the first 3 notes are a bit crushed. They should be separate.

>I'm sure it's challenging to play and you sounded perfectly in control of what was happening.

There are some hiccups through most of my recordings. These first notes here are one of them :-) It's hard for me to get the first notes right in a fast piece like this. I think the problem is that the hand does not get to the right depth before I start playing but I'm still not sure.

<The Ballet piece was *gorgeous* and then I realized I *had* heard it before :-)

Really? Here on PW ?
Posted By: ranjit Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 06:14 PM
I requested technical feedback as well. I think we'd do best to assume that everyone requested it, there's clearly something messed up with the form.
Posted By: ranjit Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 06:43 PM
Originally Posted by Jason Lenthe
02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu This seems like a very difficult piece (that I have never attempted), but you held it together well.
Thank you!


Originally Posted by tyschoco
02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu
A good moderate and steady speed for this very challenging pieces. You definitely have some shaping and good musical ideas there especially in the middle section. Love your touch and the tone of the piano you are recording on. On a slightly more critical note, i am sure you will clean up the little smudges and hiccups, perhaps the tempo should not fluctuate too much as i feel that some tempo changes can be done in more tasteful places (perhaps corresponding to melodic contours or interesting harmonies?) But that is just me being picky, as said, it really is a good attempt for a very challenging piece. Well done!
Thanks for listening! I wanted the second iteration of the theme to be faster than the first one, and it's much closer to the tempo I've seen most performers use. I'm glad you found the middle section interesting; yes, I was trying to get the melody to sound really evocative. I've been working very hard on my touch and tone production because a lot of people have told me that it is one of my main weaknesses. When it comes to the tempo, I agree that there needs to be a bit more thought put into it. Right now, it's often a bit rough and the effects are exaggerated a bit too much.

Originally Posted by Talão
02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu
I think it's quite impressive that you achieved this level of playing in just 5 years while being mostly self taught. I wouldn't dare reach out for this particular piece until I had about 10 years of piano *with* a teacher. Very well done!
Thank you so much! I've often been challenged to post my performances over here because I tend to post some strong opinions, lol. Reading this forum (and others like it) nearly made me give up on my hope of being able to play the piano well starting as an adult (or at least, late adolescent). I finally feel like I'm making some headway. That said, I despair at ever being able to play this piece at a level my teacher would approve of. Which is partly why I find it hard to weigh in on matters, I don't truly know where I stand when it comes to my piano playing, so I'm a bit hesitant guiding beginners. (And some pianists have even called me a beginner!) I've been told that I still don't have good technique, and it's turning out to be an uphill battle to acquire it.
Posted By: Talão Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 06:52 PM
Originally Posted by wouter79
Yes the first 3 notes are a bit crushed. They should be separate.

>I'm sure it's challenging to play and you sounded perfectly in control of what was happening.

There are some hiccups through most of my recordings. These first notes here are one of them :-) It's hard for me to get the first notes right in a fast piece like this. I think the problem is that the hand does not get to the right depth before I start playing but I'm still not sure.

<The Ballet piece was *gorgeous* and then I realized I *had* heard it before :-)

Really? Here on PW ?

I didn't mean just 3 notes and I didn't mean to say *you* messed it up. I meant that the piece itself sounds disorganized in a melodic way (to my inexperienced ears, which are accustomed to a certain kind of music). I can't explain this better in words :-) As I said, I'm sure this was the composer's intention.

As for where I've heard it, I can't tell. It's just that feeling you get when a piece sounds familiar and you're like "oh yeah, I know this from somewhere." :-)
Posted By: vte Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 06:55 PM
Just some quick nice comments below on the pieces that I have had a chance to listen to. Congrats everyone on another successful online recital!

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545 I greatly enjoyed listening to your piece. Looks like your new mic worked great!

06. barbaram - Dansul Romanesc Very fun and exciting piece, I enjoyed listening to it.

18. psyche23 (Edwin) - Le Piccadilly I loved the dynamics, thanks for introducing me to this piece and the background info on it. Such a fun, lovely piece.

30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer How fun! Loved the video and your performance was really nice. After only 7 months - it's so impressive.

33. joangolfing - Air Suisse Op. 36 No.5 It's a lovely piece and you played it really nicely.

42. Amy H - Story of You Nice and calming. I loved the ending part. I'll make sure to check out some of his additional pieces
Posted By: barbaram Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 07:27 PM
04 Sam S - the piece was beautiful and adding the slide show of beautiful photos made it the perfect meditative accompaniment to my morning cup of tea

Vte, thanks for your comment - much appreciated!

Looking forward to listening to the recital properly over the next few days
Posted By: ranjit Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 07:35 PM
I thought I'd post my thoughts on the other performances here. Of course, all of this is my (subjective) impression, and you're free to disagree with my comments!

01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky You play quite well, good on you for memorizing the piece! You've got the notes down, but I feel that this needs a bit more swing. What I would personally try is to listen to a recording, such as this one, and try to hum or tap out the oom-pah accompaniment. Then, record yourself singing the accompaniment according to the felt rhythm. After you do this for a few minutes, get back to the piano and try to see if you can get your left hand to play along with that rhythm. You can either go by feel, or try to imitate the rhythm you sang and recorded.


02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu Yours truly wink

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545 I am very impressed. How do you get that crystalline tone? It's something I really struggle with personally, so mad respect for that. The recording quality is also very good, and it does indeed sound very close to an actual piano from my speakers. I might consider those microphones, once I'm earning a steady income that is. I've never listened to the full version of the sonata, so thank you for this recording. A couple of smudges is only human (and I don't care about flubbed notes either way), this sounds near perfect to my ears! I can only suggest some alternative interpretation ideas which come to mind. You could try playing a bit more with dynamics. At 9:23, for the last section, you could probably increase the dynamic contrast, with slightly more prominent crescendos, to create a stronger sense of tension.

04. Sam S - Etude 2 This sounds very modern and cinematic. Cool piece! This piece makes me think that the Minecraft soundtrack was clearly influenced by Philip Glass. I like your control over the dynamics, and the way you worked in those thundering bass notes and unexpected quiet moments was awesome. Have you tried improvising? This kind of vamp is very simple and rewarding to improvise over.

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) Nice effort. I think it would be nice to have a slightly more steady tempo and more dynamic variation, or at least so it seems to my ears. It may also be due to the recording, but I feel like the melody is more or less at a uniform dynamic range throughout. You could try to put some more oomph into the resolutions, and delineate different phrases by introducing more pauses.

06. barbaram - Dansul Romanesc Very nice, and you convey the mood really well! I am a sucker for these kinds of melodies. I think you could try to intensify the effect you are going for more in a number of ways. If you try to think of the phrases more in relation to each other, you could weave a more consistent narrative. For example, consider the first part of the first phrase from 0:00-0:05, and then the second part from 0:05-0:09. Try to make the second feel even more like a response to the first. The way I imagine it is it being more rhythmically abrupt and staccato ("tight") at the end, more like a period at the end of a sentence. In that way, the first two "clauses" would connect better. In general, I really like what you're doing here, but it feels a bit subdued. Imagine that you're playing with more risk and abandon, creating a frenzy in an astonished crowd. More joie de vivre. I find that mental visualization like that helps to get you in a frame of mind where you're better able to play these kinds of evocative folk-like melodies.
Posted By: wouter79 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 07:36 PM
Originally Posted by Talão
Originally Posted by wouter79
Yes the first 3 notes are a bit crushed. They should be separate.

>I'm sure it's challenging to play and you sounded perfectly in control of what was happening.

There are some hiccups through most of my recordings. These first notes here are one of them :-) It's hard for me to get the first notes right in a fast piece like this. I think the problem is that the hand does not get to the right depth before I start playing but I'm still not sure.

<The Ballet piece was *gorgeous* and then I realized I *had* heard it before :-)

Really? Here on PW ?

I didn't mean just 3 notes and I didn't mean to say *you* messed it up. I meant that the piece itself sounds disorganized in a melodic way (to my inexperienced ears, which are accustomed to a certain kind of music). I can't explain this better in words :-) As I said, I'm sure this was the composer's intention.

As for where I've heard it, I can't tell. It's just that feeling you get when a piece sounds familiar and you're like "oh yeah, I know this from somewhere." :-)


Ah, thanks for the clarification. Good point about lacking melody, yes I see what you mean now :-) . I do hear a melody when I play the first piece, but that melody is a bit hidden in all the other notes and it does not match well with the slurs and accents that Heller placed there. I never tried hard to bring out a melody in this piece. Yes, Heller probably did not think melody here.
Posted By: wouter79 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 07:58 PM
Originally Posted by tyschoco
05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20)
Some Heller etudes yay laugh
No 24, Over Hill and Dale: This etude is surprisingly challenging a good attempt at it, your voicing is coming through and dynamic ideas are there I'll leave a few more critical comments in a spoiler tag:
This etude is really challenging due to the speed as well as the need to keep the fingerwork very clear and precise, currently the 2nd and 3rd of note of each triplets are getting ghosted thus making the piece feel a little unsteady. Perhaps some cleaning up on the fingerwork would be serve the piece better? smile

Yes, thanks for the suggestions for improving clarity. However I don't have a good idea on how to do this. I don't have a teacher currently, not sure if/when that will be possible again...

Originally Posted by tyschoco
No 20, Ballet: Quite clean! good use of the pedal as there is very minimal (if any) mushing of the harmonies. You have a good touch on this piece and nice phrasing ideas are coming through, a very enjoyable listen.
You picked a manageable tempo for this. This etude i believe needs to be played much much faster than your rendition to bring out both the Allegro performance marking as well as the technical facility that the etude is written for such as broken chords, voiced melody on chords and the rapid left hand figures.

This feels the right tempo to me. The title says ballet, so I assume it refers to some ballet dance. I'm playing the 8th notes around 120bpm as I'm imagining the dancers stepping on these notes. Imho it sounds ridiculous fast and totally undancable if yo take quarter =120, check eg
What speed are you then thinking?
Posted By: ranjit Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 08:22 PM
I'm surprised at how much effort people have put into their performances so far, they are consistently very good!

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1 This is really beautiful, and the it's my first time listening to the piece. You play the individual phrases really well, but I think you could try to do more in terms of the overall structure. Right now, every repeat of the main theme sounds very similar. If you're repeating the same thing verbatim, the listener will grow tired of it! I think about it this way -- suppose you introduce a theme in a speech, say "A healthy mind in a healthy body" or something. The next time, you wouldn't repeat it verbatim, but say something like "Taking care of your health is very important for mental stability". And in conclusion, "And therefore, ladies and gentlemen, a healthy mind..." I find that the same goes with pieces of music. Each repeat means something different in the overarching narrative structure.

08. Peyton - Gnossienne For Stella Very elegant playing! The theme reminds me of the Age of Empires soundtrack, and other pieces which try to achieve a royal sound. It sounds 'golden'.

09. QuasiUnaFantasia - Stimmungsbilder, opus 9 no. 4: Traumerei Very whimsical atmosphere! The key change (I think) at 1:26 was a bit unexpected and very rewarding to listen to.

10. Flygbladet - Tonbilder part 2 "barnmenuett" (Childrens menuett) Fabulous! It does indeed sound very playful. It's really nice to get to know these pieces.

11. JJHLH - Feuillet d'Album Op 45, No 1 It almost sounds jazzy! Nice, quiet atmosphere.

12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576 Hey, are harpsichords allowed?! Really nice sound, but I'm afraid I don't know enough about the instrument to comment on the playing. I will remark, however, that it's possible to do trills at that speed on a piano as well, but unfortunately I can only do it with my right hand.

13. Alpha Terminus - Lotus Land Really nice piece, and well played! You rush a bit after starting quite slow. I think you would get a better effect by sticking to the slow tempo for a while, and playing with rubato. You can still play the individual notes fast, while adding in pauses creating a slightly accented feel. When I hear it, the piece sounds cool at the slow tempo you start out with, but warm at the faster tempo you take later on. My advice would be to pick one of the two, and stick with it. I get a feeling that this piece is meant to sound "cool as ice", try to see if that analogy makes sense in your conception of the music.

14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779) Cleanly played, well done.

15. Serge88 - Boogie Blues Etude For a second, I was shocked that an adult beginner was playing Oscar Peterson, before I read the description. No offense, lol. Nice attempt! I feel like with the metronome/backing track in the background, you are playing a bit more stilted than you would otherwise. My suggestion would be not to worry if you go a bit ahead of or behind the beat when it comes to the melody, and just try to listen and follow what you hear. This is obviously easier said than done, but I think it's the mindset which will eventually improve your playing in the style.


I've been at this for quite a while, I'll listen to the rest sometime later.
Posted By: Qazsedcft Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 08:26 PM
Originally Posted by ranjit
01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky You play quite well, good on you for memorizing the piece! You've got the notes down, but I feel that this needs a bit more swing. What I would personally try is to listen to a recording, such as this one, and try to hum or tap out the oom-pah accompaniment. Then, record yourself singing the accompaniment according to the felt rhythm. After you do this for a few minutes, get back to the piano and try to see if you can get your left hand to play along with that rhythm. You can either go by feel, or try to imitate the rhythm you sang and recorded.
Thanks for the comment but no it's not supposed to swing. It's notated 6/8 and the upbeat shouldn't be accented. The tempo is dotted quarter=69-80 and I'm playing it on the faster end of that tempo. Actually, I have a recording from RCM and now I think I would add more dynamic contrast, playing the middle part softer. But I recorded that a few days after the last recital and don't intend to go back to it now.
Posted By: Wie Waldi Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/15/21 10:22 PM
Congrats to everyone who successfully submitted to the online recital. As there is this technical feedback wanted yes/no issue, I just give feedback to everyone, no matter if you want or not. To whose who really don't want to get feedback: Sorry - you have to come over it!

Btw: I believe I also had clicked yes, but I am not 100% sure, it's some time ago.


32. Maira713 - Op. 1 No. 4 ("24 Short and Easy Pieces for Keyboard") It is really nice to see someone with less than 1 year of playing exerience. Between all the semi-pros and pros, it can be intimidating. But you did this piece very well and I can recognize your learning method is kind of the russion school. (Putting focus on accuracy and proper technique right at the start). And you did it right. Well done! You have quite some talent for piano playing.

33. joangolfing - Air Suisse Op. 36 No.5 You have a very good separation between the tones. Very accurate rendition of this piece. Thanks for sharing.

34. Moo smile - Songs without words opus 38 no 3 This was a very fast piece, and it was fast for both hands. I loved how you played it that flawless. Also liked those page turning pauses - without being a pause. Nice to see on the video.

35. KevinM - Songs Without Words Opus 19 No. 1 Your hands seem so relaxed on the keyboard. You said, you can hardly manage this tempo. Well, as a listener from outside, I would have stated you mastered it. And I don't think it is too slow. In my opinion it was just at right tempo and I enjoyed it very much. I also don't think, you've bitten more than you can chew. And if so, then you did grow with this piece. It is a relieve to see how far one can get within 3 years of playing. I hope I can reach similar level in time.

36. Talao - Sonatina in G Major Anh. 5 (both movements) Very lovely interpretation of Beethoven's Sonatina. Loved both movements. The 2nd one always makes me wanna sing some text with "...over the sea... over the ocean". (Happened the same as with AndresVel's version) So there must be another song that sounds a bit similar with that text, but I don't get which one. Anyway, you did it very well, not to say flawless. For just a little more than two years of playing this is really impressive! Thanks for sharing.

37. Purrblast - Sonatina in A minor (Op. 27. No. 18) A very clean and accurate interpretation of this Sonatina. Loved the change to pianissimo near the end - you have quite some good control over dynamics. And about the tempo, for me it seems you had a hidden metronome somewhere in your head - very precise!

38. facdo - Impromptu in E flat Major Op.90 No.2 I love to see your fingers running up and down the keyboard with such an ease. And from what I could hear, this was a very impressive interpretation of Schubert. Lot of control over tempo and dynamic. Thanks for sharing.

39. Snejana - Contemplation
Very well done. Seems you have to gift for improvising. Keep doing it and keep posting in the recital. I really enjoyed listening to it!

40. PikaPianist - Waltz Op. 39, No. 9 Those Valentina's recording is indeed very charming. However I prefer your version as it has more liviness in it. Or as you said: more fire. Oh - and your video was very good filmed. Loved both camera angles - and needless to say I loved your playing.

41. Augustina - Expression Played with a lot of expression. I had the impression, you turned the page here and there. Apart of that, you played it really well. With picking up piano playing just a month ago and having the sheet music for only one week, your performance was spot on. It seems, you have a very good foundation in reading sheet music.

42. Amy H - Story of You Your playing sounds light as a feather. I guess this is exactly what the composer wanted to express. Thanks for sharing this music and thanks for pointing out this beautiful piece was written by a rather unknown composer. (For me). I really think it is a good idea to try out his music. I made a note for his name. At least this piece is one, I really loved to hear.

43. selfishplayer - Keyboard concerto no.7 in g minor BWV - 1058 first movement - Allegro piano solo This was your 1st try of recording? Impressive. From a listeners perspective there were no mistakes, at least no obvious. I guess you as the player are more critical to yourself. I also like the idea of an egoshooter-camera. It's a pity it was a bit dark. But hey, the audio was quite good captured, and this is what counts! Well done!

44. Rachtoven - Consolation No. 3
You did a very enjoyable interpretation of this piece. I am happy you decided to go for this recording over another version you said it has fewer mistakes, but also holds an weaker interpretation. As a person that does not know how this piece should sound, I did notice no mistakes at all. But I am able to tell if I like the expression. And yours was very good. Thanks for sharing this version.

45. tyschoco - Sonatina in G Major, Op 55 No.2 1st Movement, Allegretto Very nice executed "fast runs". I don't know the English term for that, as German I'd say "perlende Läufe". Very nice to listen to.

46. Pathbreaker - Alte Liebe (to do)
Very precisely played. A lot of control over tempo and dynamics. Only the 20 sec silence in the beginning made me thinking my audio output broke again. (Happens a lot, recently)
06. barbaram - Dansul Romanesc You're right that this piece has great energy and you put it on full display. It was much fun to listen to.

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1 This is a lovely and smooth interpretation. I loved it!

08. Peyton - Gnossienne For Stella What a treat to have a Satie Gnossienne by MarieJ followed by an original Gnossienne by Peyton. Was this coordinated? Anyway, this composition is really cool. It absolutely harkens back to Satie while at the same time forging its own path.

09. QuasiUnaFantasia - Stimmungsbilder, opus 9 no. 4: Traumerei I am only familiar with the Traumerie by Schumann, so its was fantastic to be introduced to this composition. The harmonies and your use of dynamics really conveys a wistful daydreaming feeling. I really like this performance.

10. Flygbladet - Tonbilder part 2 "barnmenuett" (Childrens menuett) I think your use of constrasting articulation types between the different sections is very effective in this performance. It was a joy to listen to. Great job!
Posted By: lilypad Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 01:04 AM
Thank you, Sam for putting these recitals together and giving me the opportunity to play for someone besides my spouse and the cat.

I'm guessing from the early comments that most people welcome comments. I don't feel qualified to provide technical comments. Mine are more of a meet and greet the performers that might occur after a live recital.

I'll start with a group that I haven't seen comments on yet:

16. vte - Vieux Noel in G minor Very refreshing listening! I'm hiding out from a heat wave as i write this.

17. dumka1 - Prelude Op. 11 no 2 I like it! It's even better than the no. 20. Your enjoyment in playing the piece is evident.

18. psyche23 (Edwin) - Le Piccadilly Wow! Really nice. You do 'lively' very well.

19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements I just realized from the title that you 'down under' folks are maybe enjoying some cool wet weather this time of year as I'm hiding out from our latest heat wave. Your improvisation was impressive!

20. QuentinP - WTK 1 Prelude 8 Eb minor Very nice Bach piece. It may be a long while before I could give it a go. Your lunch sounded good. I just had leftovers.

21. Calavera - Theme of Love I'm not familiar with the composer's music, so it sounded unique to me and very enjoyable.

22. mmathew - Waltz in a minor, B.150 Posth Not disappointing at all! I love this waltz and you captured the essence of it.

23. peterws - Winter I was hoping to hear another of your original compositions, but your Tchaikovsky was delightful.

24. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata K331 1st Movement - Andante grazioso Well played! I would say you accomplished your objectives on this piece. Rock steady while being very musical.

25. Ganddalf - Tango Nice choice. I'm somewhat familiar with Albeniz from having played classical guitar, but rarely or maybe never hear his piano works.

27. Jason Lenthe - Nocturne in G Minor Op. 15 No. 3 Nicely done. Your comments on the chords progressions and the church hymn section enhanced my listening experience.
Posted By: tyschoco Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 01:07 AM
Another Set of feedback!

01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky
I never usually delve into pieces of this style. But i have to say that you really bring out the character of this piece really well. From a technical standpoint, the crushed notes and ornaments are crisp and very well executed and your pulse and tempo is very steady. Good shaping ideas and great musical instinct. Really well done.

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1
I love the atmosphere you are bring to this piece. You definitely have some dynamic and phrasing ideas there that are being brought out. Your crushed notes are done very gracefully, thus maintaining the character of the piece. My only nitpick is the melodic line could perhaps use a little more shaping? But it really is a fantastic rendition as is!

09. QuasiUnaFantasia - Stimmungsbilder, opus 9 no. 4: Traumerei

You play this piece with very beautiful shaping and the atmosphere of the word "traumerei" is brought to the forefront. You arpeggiation and ornaments are clean. I like that you have brought out good dynamic ideas. Your musical instincts are rather spot on and the work you have been putting these past 4 years are showing. I have a few more comments on the critical side below in a spoiler tag:
I understand from your post you are likely learning this by ear. Based on a score i am referring from public domain, it seems you are taking quite a lot of liberty with the rhythm, to the point where it may be deviating too much from the original notation? For example there should not be a long pause before the ends of each arppegitation? Some Eighth notes in the score were extended to quarter notes which seems to create 'extra' beats in the music with the tempo tending to fluctuate a bit too much.
I am unsure if its because you referenced a performer who did this? I believe the Connoisseurs may not take kindly to the liberty taken. Personally, i feel that since your musical taste and playing are already so refined, it may serve the music better if it followed the sheet music more faithfully while still maintaining your personal spin on the piece. Hopefully this doesn't come off too strong!


12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576
Oooo some Handel on a harpcichod! laugh I'll break my feedback into two parts

Prelude: Your playing is beautifully expressive and ornaments add beautifully to the piece. Your tempo is good and fingerwork is very very clean. You give good breathing points to the music to prevent it from sounding like a constant flurry of notes. You seem to be at ease playing this piece which makes for a very pleasing experience to me as the listener.

Allegro: It was played with so much character and shaping! The runs are crisp and you are bringing out the conversation between the hands rather well. A very enjoyable listen. I'll leave a couple of comments of a more subjective nature below:

Before i start, i think you should take my comment here with a grain of salt as this music of this period is very open to interpretation (no metronome marks and no historical recordings) and i am by no means a musicologist of any kind.
I personally think the piece should be slightly faster based on the recordings as well my own initial impression looking at the sheet music. Especially for the Allegro movement. However, i will say that your tempo is perfectly valid as it gives the piece a more easy going feel and the listener is able to discern the notes better than faster interpretations. I personally enjoyed the tempo you picked and perhaps you are already aware of the faster interpretation out there and chose the slower tempo!
Oh how i wish we had recordings from that period to settle the debate on the tempo and performance practices of the time :')

17. dumka1 - Prelude Op. 11 no 2
This is so expressively played. I love the shaping ideas and the journey you take the listener through. You seem very aware of the colours this piece has to offer and draw attention where its due. Your rubato and done very tastefully in tandem to your very good musical instincts. How i wish i could play pieces of this style as well as you. Really well done smile

20. QuentinP - WTK 1 Prelude 8 Eb minor
I have to say we are lacking in bach in this recital compared to the previous one for some reason lol.
I can only say its really really good. You follow the rhythm dutifully while giving just enough time in certain places to allow the piece to be shaped beautifully. Your phrasing is splendid and i definitely am gonna look into this when i eventually get to the well tempered klavier. My only small nitpick is perhaps where the left hand has a melody, it could be shaped a little more to bring the conversation between the voices more? I wonder how it would sound on an acoustic piano, perhaps even more colors would open up to give even more justice to your playing.

Thoroughly enjoying everyone's submission so far, seems everyone has brought their A game here.
Posted By: tyschoco Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 01:18 AM
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This feels the right tempo to me. The title says ballet, so I assume it refers to some ballet dance. I'm playing the 8th notes around 120bpm as I'm imagining the dancers stepping on these notes. Imho it sounds ridiculous fast and totally undancable if yo take quarter =120, check eg
What speed are you then thinking?

Link doesn't seem to be working for some reason haha!

You are absolutely right that the title does say ballet so it does indeed refer to some sort of ballet dance. However, i personally think in this situation, it refers to a more energetic ballet as opposed to a more expressive and elegant one, with regards to the steps the dancers take, i personally think that the steps would be done on every quarter note as opposed to each 8th note given the piece's time signature. Additionally, given that this is an etude. It implies that Heller wrote this to develop a pianist's technical ability, i would assume he wanted it at a higher tempo to develop some technical skill in the pianist playing this.

There are some rather fast recordings out there, something is on the more leisurely side would be this one, i feel it isn't too crazy fast but still played with expression and good singing tone.



As i said in my initial post, i think your playing was well put together. I am just coming from a standpoint from my teacher or other professionals who would insist on the faster tempo given the points said above. But please do not let my comments take away from the work you have put it. I enjoyed it nonetheless.
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 03:40 AM
Here’s another participant who thought the ‘yes’ box had been ticked … I’m giving feedback to everyone as usual (but mine never qualifies as ‘technical’, anyway).

Once again, biggest thanks to Sam for all of the work he puts in to these inspirational Recitals.

01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky Bright and … sneaky! It WAS fun to listen to!

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu Congratulations on your first Recital, Ranjit - and what a debut! Five years self-taught and you achieve this? I’m in awe.

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545 That was truly wonderful, Shepherd. I’m not technically enlightened enough to know how much difference your new mics made, but the sound of your Steingraeber was simply stunning.

04. Sam S - Etude 2 Bass notes to send shivers up the spine - you could believe that Philip Glass wrote much of his work for the C3 smile. Your selection of beautiful photos enhanced a very special presentation.

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) I’m not familiar with much of Heller’s work, but ‘he writes nice pieces indeed.’ I particularly liked the second part - well done, Wouter!

06. barbaram - Dansul Romanesc Good things come in small parcels - that left me wanting more. Loved the exuberance of your performance and I thought your pace was just right.

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1 Not there - (yet).

08. Peyton - Gnossienne For Stella As someone who loves both Satie AND Leonard Cohen, I was really looking forward to this. And I wasn’t disappointed, Peyton - what an absolute delight. (I hope Stella is well on the way to recovery.)

I doubt that I will ever be able to do your composition justice, but I’d treasure a copy of the score. Please!
Posted By: Qazsedcft Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 07:57 AM
Thanks to everyone for your comments.

Listening at random.

04. Sam S - Etude 2
Very nice atmosphere. It is indeed like a matra. I wonder what it's like to play a piece like that. Do you enter a kind of meditative state of contemplation or are you too busy thinking about your interpretation?

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu
It's impressive that you can play this piece at all after less than 6 years. The fast parts sounded a bit struggled at times and I think it's still too much of a stretch for you but still overall it was a pretty good performance. Well done.

22. mmathew - Waltz in a minor, B.150 Posth
I played this piece too (who didn't?) and it doesn't sound like a simplified version to me. Don't worry too much about ornaments. As the name implies they are decorative in nature and I think it's not such a big deal to omit some as long as the character of the piece is preserved. The left hand is a bit too loud and "thumpy" if you know what I mean. It should have a more delicate dance-like character rather than your matter-of-fact stepping on the ground. Try (slightly) accenting the downbeat and playing the other too very lightly. Also the arpeggios at 0:56 and later are uneven and disconnected. Try working on making them more fluid. But overall I think you did quite well. Keep up the good job.

30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer
Wow! It's pretty amazing that you played this as your first piece and after only 7 months of self-teaching. Especially that it was a very musical and balanced interpretation. You conveyed the character of this piece so well I found myself nodding and tapping my foot. Nicely done!

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1
A nice atmospheric interpretation of this piece. My only small nitpick is that the end seems to be a bit abrupt. I would make that last phrase much softer and dreamlike, like a faint echo.
Posted By: Pianist685 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 08:35 AM
Originally Posted by ranjit
12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576 Hey, are harpsichords allowed?! Really nice sound, but I'm afraid I don't know enough about the instrument to comment on the playing. I will remark, however, that it's possible to do trills at that speed on a piano as well, but unfortunately I can only do it with my right hand.
Yes, harpsichords are allowed - we have had that question in the previous recital already. Sam owns a real acoustic harpsichord he restored himself. Yes, a skilled pianist can play trills at that speed on a good grand piano as well, but most uprights won't do that job...

Originally Posted by tyschoco
12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576
Oooo some Handel on a harpcichod! laugh I'll break my feedback into two parts

Prelude: Your playing is beautifully expressive and ornaments add beautifully to the piece. Your tempo is good and fingerwork is very very clean. You give good breathing points to the music to prevent it from sounding like a constant flurry of notes. You seem to be at ease playing this piece which makes for a very pleasing experience to me as the listener.

Allegro: It was played with so much character and shaping! The runs are crisp and you are bringing out the conversation between the hands rather well. A very enjoyable listen. I'll leave a couple of comments of a more subjective nature below:

Before i start, i think you should take my comment here with a grain of salt as this music of this period is very open to interpretation (no metronome marks and no historical recordings) and i am by no means a musicologist of any kind.
I personally think the piece should be slightly faster based on the recordings as well my own initial impression looking at the sheet music. Especially for the Allegro movement. However, i will say that your tempo is perfectly valid as it gives the piece a more easy going feel and the listener is able to discern the notes better than faster interpretations. I personally enjoyed the tempo you picked and perhaps you are already aware of the faster interpretation out there and chose the slower tempo!
Oh how i wish we had recordings from that period to settle the debate on the tempo and performance practices of the time :')
Dear Tyschoco, thanks for your well-founded comment based on solid knowledge. You seem to know quite much about music and are certainly not "only" some student who is learning to play the piano. Your rendition of the Kuhlau piece is almost impeccable. And your English sounds like native. You are perfectly right that we do not know the exact tempo the composers of the Baroque era had in mind - that is a general "problem" when it comes to performing that kind of music. I suppose you have listened to the recording by Roberto Loreggian which seems to be the only existing recording of HWV 576. Yes, I knew this recording before and had the impression lots of details get lost at that speed and deliberately chose a slower tempo. Greetings from Hamburg.
Posted By: QuentinP Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 08:59 AM
Thanks for another great recital Sam! And a collective well done to everyone who has participated this time round. I've really enjoyed everything I have listened to so far and here are my first lot of comments:

01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky
A lovely swinging rhythm with the hint of a naughty wink. Great playing.

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu
Well done attempting this fiendish piece with 5 years’ experience!

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545
This was a very enjoyable and thoughtful performance, and I don’t have anything negative to point out beyond what you already have yourself. The pros definitely outweigh the cons. Well done.

04. Sam S - Etude 2
I love Glass. Yes, it’s minimalist, but yet so rich and full of emotion. Terrific, affecting performance. Nice slideshow too.

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20)
No 24: Some unevenness in the RH rhythm was a little distracting but this sounds like a deceptively difficult number, and overall the tempo felt consistent. No 20: This had a lovely gentle energy. Well done on both.

06. barbaram - Dansul Romanesc
This felt fun and cheeky and was great to listen to.

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1
Great rendition – eerie, questioning, and very much of “the tip of the thought”. Very occasionally some notes got a little bit lost, as though maybe the key was not completely pressed into the keybed? But that could just be the recording. Your dynamics and phrasing were really successful.

08. Peyton - Gnossienne For Stella
Gorgeous. This has a soaring, meditative quality for me. Great playing.

09. QuasiUnaFantasia - Stimmungsbilder, opus 9 no. 4: Traumerei
Lovely sensitive playing. This was indeed evocatively dreamy.

10. Flygbladet - Tonbilder part 2 "barnmenuett" (Childrens menuett)
What an interesting piece, I really enjoyed listening to this one. Great playing - beautiful dynamics and touch. I see what you mean about the title, perhaps she was thinking “emotional rollercoaster”, ha! Speaking of emotional rollercoasters, I too lost my piano mojo for a while earlier this year, which made me feel quite down and frustrated. But I can’t say I attempted anything in particular to resolve it, I largely just let it happen, trying not to stress too much. I guess I felt that trying to force things might make it worse. I still noodled a bit, and listened to a lot of piano music – did that help? Maybe? With time I just seemed to get my groove back for no particular reason (that I am aware of at least). Learning new repertoire can supposedly help getting out of a rut, but I didn’t try that. I’m sorry, that’s probably not particularly helpful, but I do feel you! For me, the piano can be a fickle mistress. When she’s shining on you it’s sparkling and wonderful, but when she’s not, man it’s cold in the shade.

11. JJHLH - Feuillet d'Album Op 45, No 1
Another really interesting piece and I enjoyed your thoughtful playing. Well done.

12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576
Great performance. The tempi felt just right and I particularly liked your phrasing.

13. Alpha Terminus - Lotus Land
I very much enjoyed your expressive playing of this otherworldly and evocative piece.

14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779)
Delightful. Your tone and articulation is great – the voices come out clearly and sound well-balanced.

15. Serge88 - Boogie Blues Etude
Nice! The improvisation was seamless and really impressive.
Posted By: Qazsedcft Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 09:18 AM
05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20)
As Talão noticed, it sounds a bit confusing at the beginning. I think the issue is that we can't hear the meter very well. I had to look at the score and was surprised to find that it's in 3/4. I can imagine that such an etude with long runs of triplets is quite challenging. I just finished one like that myself (May Morning by Charles Gounod) and it's difficult to keep it flowing evenly throughout the piece while maintaining the steady beat. The second one was very nice. I think it's the ideal tempo.
Thank you ranjit, Jason, tyschoco, and QuentinP for the nice comments. Much appreciated!

@tyschoco: I have learned the piece from sheet music, and then memorized it. As for the rythm issues, there are actually three things at play here. 1) The pauses after the arpeggios was a choice; I am familiar with five recordings, all of which stick entirely to the score, but I like it better with the pauses. 2) I had only memorized the work the day before the recording, and it still was not solidly implantet in my mind, so there are a few occasions where I had to pause briefly to remember what should come next. 3) And towards the end, one of the chords surprisingly (to me) came out much slower than intended, and I tried to "mend it" by playing the following chord as if the slow-down was part of the design. All right, you caught me. Well spotted! smile
Posted By: AndresVel Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 11:22 AM
Thank you ranjit and QuentinP for your lovely comments :)) I am very glad you enjoyed my submission

Originally Posted by tyschoco
14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779)
Coincidentally i just started learning this as well! Fun little piece. You choose a very suitable tempo for you and its very steady and clean. I like that. I think you should be rightly proud of your recording. If i am being nitpicky (since you have technical feedback on), the imitation between the voices could be brought out more and perhaps more energy could be in the playing, maybe when you get even better, a faster tempo may serve in that pursuit? But overall this is really good!

Thank you very much tyschoco for your detailed comment. I am glad you liked my submission. I will pay more attention to the interplay between voices for future inventions or when I pick up this piece again. I put a lot of attention to it as I learned the piece but it might end up not being so evident on the recording. Most of the recordings of this invention are played faster, a lot of them too fast IMO. At some point the voice interplay is really hard to notice and articulations are also lost. I enjoy a lot Gould's tempo, which was something I was kind of striving to, but still did not manage to achieve consistently smirk I agree with you that a faster tempo helps to give some more dynamism to the piece overall, I even noticed sometimes when trying to play the piece way faster for fun. Achieving consistency at a higher tempo would have required me some more weeks of practice though, and I wanted to move on to new challenges. I look forward to listen to your take on this piece soon :)) Thank you again for listening and for your feedback. I really appreciate it :))).
Posted By: AndresVel Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 11:29 AM
I am just starting to listen some of the submission. Thank you very much Sam for putting this together, and to everyone who submitted something, contributing to keep this tradition alive. Here my first batch of comments.

01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky This one was a fun to listen to. I am sure it is a pleasure to play. It also fits perfectly with the name of the piece. Your playing was very good, giving it the right flavor. Thanks for sharing.

11. JJHLH - Feuillet d'Album Op 45, No 1 Lovely John! I had commented already on your video some weeks ago. I always enjoy your uploads and the way you play Scriabin compositions. One can tell you really like and enjoy the pieces you present. Looking forward to more Scriabin in the future :))

21. Calavera - Theme of Love I always enjoy your submissions. Your playing is always so clean and flawless. This one was no exception. I have to agree with you that some sections of the piece, specially at the beginning, do not sound so original. But the piece builds up enormously! I loved the end of the middle section, so much passion, and you mastered it and drew me into the piece. That part sounded very Rachmaninovian haha. I loved your submission. Thank you for sharing smile I am wondering now how do you choose your repertoire. Do you know the pieces from playing the corresponding video game? Or do you listen regularly the full albums?

31. winterflower - I soar now the embers have cooled I am always amazed by those here who submit improvisations. It seems so daunting to me. I liked this one, it had a very nice melody all throughout. Thank you very much for sharing smile

41. Augustina - Expression I had never heard from this composer before, so thank you for introducing me to new music. I think you did a great job in spite of the short time practicing the score. Very nice playing.
Posted By: Wie Waldi Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 11:42 AM
As there is this technical feedback wanted yes/no issue, I just give feedback to everyone, no matter if you want or not. To whose who really don't want to get feedback: Sorry - you have to come over it!

Btw: I believe I also had clicked yes, but I am not 100% sure, it's some time ago.


22. mmathew - Waltz in a minor, B.150 Posth I have to disagree. Sorry! You are wrong with the name of your YT channel. If you insist of having a name that pulls you down, rename to "The Worst Pedalist". Joking aside, I found your interpretation of Chopin very impressive. And those big jumps with left hand were performed with such an ease. But you used the pedal too much for my liking. The tone got kind of washed out. I know it is said, over-pedaling hides weakness in playing, but I think your playing was good. No need to hide anything. I find it very impressive to play Chopin after only one year serious learning!

23. peterws - Winter Intersting choice of music. Reading Winter I expected Vivaldi's four Seasons... As today is a rainy day outside, I must say, this winter mood fits also here. You expressed this very well with your playing. Thanks for sharing.

24. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata K331 1st Movement - Andante grazioso I love your selection of the piece. A typical Mozart. The first part was very airy and feather light played by you. The second part brought some heaviness, luckily it wasn't of long duration and you got into this feather light playing style I prefer. But the more heavy part made a very nice contrast. Well - Mozart was genius! He is in the charts for more than 300 years now. I really enjoyed your performance from top to bottom, a well rounded interpretation. Thanks for sharing.

25. Ganddalf - Tango A very airy piece, with some really nice deep bass notes. I never heard this before in my live, but sometimes it falls into another tango I know. Just for a few bars. I liked it and I appreciate you limit the length of the submissions because of your mentinoned reasons. But it didn't bore me at all, could hear it for much longer. It has some catchyness in the main-theme... So I listened twice...

26. lilypad - The Bass Man Walketh Cool! This is the first thing that was in my mind. Cool! Black suits, black hats, sunglasses, at night! That was a real great walking bass line with some relaxed right hand accompaniment! Was lot of fun listening.

27. Jason Lenthe - Nocturne in G Minor Op. 15 No. 3 Very well played! (as always - I checked out your YT channel). If Copin wanted somewhere in the middle the part played with anger or a kind of agressive mood, you masterd it! And then coming back to softness again, it was done so nicely. Thanks for sharing.

28. rwsavory - The Poet Speaks - Op 15 "Scenes from Childhood" This piese makes my mood very meloncholic. If this was your intention, you hit it right spot with your interpretation.

29. bSharp(C)yclist (Dan) - Consolation, Op. 30, No. 3 You played with very much of expression and I loved both your selection of the piece as well as you mastered it. Only one thing: I found it distracting when the tone stopped abrupt at the end of a phrase. Is this by purpose or did this happen because the recording phone is cutting silent audio away? Anyway, those small things made yours special.

30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer No technical feedback wanted, eyh? No feedback then! (cry)

31. winterflower - I soar now the embers have cooled I never did improvise any music. Not even singing or humming because I lack of inspiration. I just copy-cat, cause it's waaay easier. You did some improv here and from a technical standpoint I must admit it sounds. You got a good balance in harmony, but the timing here and there seem to me a bit off. Some notes are coming too slowed down, and it seems it is not by purpose because they don't tell a story. (Sorry to state that.) Anyway - thanks for sharing some improvisation besides all the other submission that had been composed by the worlds greatest musicians and practised and polished over weeks.
Posted By: Qazsedcft Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 12:04 PM
Originally Posted by AndresVel
01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky This one was a fun to listen to. I am sure it is a pleasure to play. It also fits perfectly with the name of the piece. Your playing was very good, giving it the right flavor. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you.

14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779)
It's great that you got to play this piece cleanly as Bach inventions are not easy. The tempo is very steady and the meter is clear (we can hear that it starts on an upbeat). Your ritardando at the end is quite tasteful. Now I would try to make it sound more energetic and lively. To do that I think the overall tempo should be a tad faster and it should have more dynamic contrast. Try to bring out especially when a new voice comes in as it will make the polyphonic character more noticeable.

37. Purrblast - Sonatina in A minor (Op. 27. No. 18)
That was a nice little piece. Very well done. It's nice to see someone else from Poland on this forum. wink Pozdrawiam.

36. Talao - Sonatina in G Major Anh. 5 (both movements)
Sonatinas are fun aren't they? This was very nicely played and your errors are barely noticeable. You keept going which is the most important thing.

38. facdo - Impromptu in E flat Major Op.90 No.2
That was very good playing. When you say "some years as a kid" how many years is that? It sounds like you studied piano for a long time to achieve this level of playing.
Posted By: barbaram Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 01:07 PM
01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky
A very enjoyable listen and it sounds like good fun to play

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu]
Tremendous stuff

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545
(Doom-laden movie trailer voice) “With Mozart, there’s nowhere to hide”

This was a pleasure, sparkling and bright. I especially enjoyed the first movement.

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) (to do)

I’m entertained by the quote:
“At a time of universal decadence like the present, when art has fallen as low as it inevitably must whenever public opinion and the moral tone of society have become debased”
I doubt there has ever been a time when there isn’t some cohort of society expressing precisely this idea :-)

Very charming pieces

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1
I love the moodiness and mystery of this piece & enjoyed your performance a lot
I learned it last year (it felt v suited to the early day of the pandemic and lockdown), and return to it quite often to play for pleasure
Posted By: Pianist685 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 01:27 PM
10. Flygbladet - Barnmenuett (Elfrida Andree) Digging out pieces by obsucre composers is always an adventure and it seems you are the first pianist who recorded this one. That alone deserves special appreciation. It seems we do not know what Elfrida Andree had in mind when she composed this piece - the following "Om kvällan" you recorded for the previous recital is much easier to understand. "The sound of children", hm, I would not say so, rather a desricption of 19th century children "drilled" by adults to dance a minuet. The "B" part is playful and joyful, but the "A/C" part sounds really harsh to me, as if someone needed to show the kids who the boss is. Well, it is no secret that children at that time were treated in such a manner. The chords marked "f" and "ff" even sound brutal to me. I am glad I grew up 100 years later, haha...
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 03:12 PM
Originally Posted by barbaram
I’m entertained by the quote:
“At a time of universal decadence like the present, when art has fallen as low as it inevitably must whenever public opinion and the moral tone of society have become debased”
I doubt there has ever been a time when there isn’t some cohort of society expressing precisely this idea :-)

Heh heh And there's me thinking art existed to debase a moral (self-righteous) society . . . and then it can fall even lower!
Happy dark days, eh?
Posted By: Wie Waldi Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 06:24 PM
Originally Posted by vte
30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer How fun! Loved the video and your performance was really nice. After only 7 months - it's so impressive.
Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer
Wow! It's pretty amazing that you played this as your first piece and after only 7 months of self-teaching. Especially that it was a very musical and balanced interpretation. You conveyed the character of this piece so well I found myself nodding and tapping my foot. Nicely done!
I must say this wasn't Beethoven nor Chopin, and I started with a simplified version. And besides that, there is not really much else, I can play. Anyway, thank you for your kind words blush
Posted By: Ido Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 06:24 PM
Listening in random order... smile

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu
This is really impressive! I'd have never attributed such performance to someone with such short experience (and self taught!). Keep up this great work

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545
Very pleasing tone and phrasing. After listening to several of your recordings I see a consistent pattern of playing very delicately with a singing tone. You play this beautifully.
I think the tempo is not very consistent but it doesn't really detract from the performance.
A specific point to notice is at 0:34 where I think there's some rhythmic error.

The last movement - I'd play it (if only I could:-)) a bit more playfully - less legato, more 'jumpy', if you will.

14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779)
You keep up the amazing progress, and I think your phrasing is starting to evolve as well!

29. bSharp(C)yclist (Dan) - Consolation, Op. 30, No. 3
I'd start with the criticism -
I think some parts sound a bit abrupt - like at 0:22 - you can do it more delicately. This occurs several times.
Now for the better part:
I really really enjoyed the performance, because you play it with intent. The musicality of the performance cannot be mistaken. The sound of the piano is amazing - which is also your doing.

24. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata K331 1st Movement - Andante grazioso
A joy to listen, such a singing tone. You brought the harmony forward - which made me notice new things in the piece. One challenge with this piece is to keep it interesting throughout all the repetitions and variations - maybe you can allow yourself to produce a more harsh tone at times (or more extreme tempo changes), to catch the attention of the listener.

This recital looks promising so far smile
Posted By: Qazsedcft Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 07:43 PM
A few more at random.

40. PikaPianist - Waltz Op. 39, No. 9
That was amazing! I agree with your lively and fiery interpretation. It's much more interesting than the more gentle interpretation of Lisitsa. The camera work on your youtube video was also excellent.

12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576
Very nice. I would like to play on a real harpsichord one day. Sometimes I play my digital piano with the harpsichord sound on but it's obviously not the same.

45. tyschoco - Sonatina in G Major, Op 55 No.2 1st Movement, Allegretto
Your interpretation is dynamic and full of energy. I really like that in a sonatina and I think it gives it more charcter. The articulation is very crisp. The scale runs are impecable. The melody is sweet and singing. If I have to be really picky I would say the Alberti bass is just a little too prominent and I would try to make it softer. But that is really nitpicking as I think your performance is great.
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 07:59 PM
1 Qazsedcft

"Sneaky" ain't the right title; sounds too jaunty, the guy needs taking down a peg or two. Great job by yourself however. This really created the mood! Excellent recording of a nice piano!

2 Ranjit

You got the fingers; you got the talent. Sure are h*ll you got the time. The rest will come, but don't work too much on this to the exclusion of all else. I read somewhere Chopin didn't even want this piece released to be played by the general public.
It has since become a badge of honour, of competence.
One I'll never get!
Posted By: Qazsedcft Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 08:08 PM
20. QuentinP - WTK 1 Prelude 8 Eb minor
Beautiful playing of a beautiful prelude. It was a pleasure to listen to. Too bad it was recorded on a digital piano as the sound is a bit too clinical for my tastes. It would sound so nice on an accoustic grand.

15. Serge88 - Boogie Blues Etude
Nice blues improv on a backing track. It was fun to listen to. I think you have a great feel for this type of music. Did you improvise on the spot or did you practice it a bit before recording?
Posted By: ranjit Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 08:35 PM
Thank you so much! I've read all of your comments and I'm overwhelmed by the positive feedback on my post! I thought I would repeat myself too much if I responded to everything, nevertheless, I have read all of your comments and I'm really glad that you all liked it.

Originally Posted by Ido
I'd have never attributed such performance to someone with such short experience (and self taught!). Keep up this great work
Thank you. I have to add, however, that discussions about technique with my teacher and a good friend over the past 3-4 months have proven instrumental in improving this piece. I didn't play on grand pianos in the past, and had to figure out how to apply the necessary force into the keys to produce a good tone. It was incredibly difficult, and still is.

Originally Posted by peterws
You got the fingers; you got the talent. Sure are h*ll you got the time. The rest will come, but don't work too much on this to the exclusion of all else.
Hah, well let's hope so. Most good pianists I know have started at around 5, or at the very most at around 11 years old. So, from a conservative standpoint, age is definitely not on my side! That said, I certainly hope I can get there someday.

Originally Posted by peterws
I read somewhere Chopin didn't even want this piece released to be played by the general public.
It's not a bad piece! I think Chopin didn't want it to be played in public because it was heavily *inspired* by other pieces, not because it was a bad piece. There's a direct Beethoven quote, and in addition, I think it was heavily influenced by Field or someone else, and he did not want to take away from their work.
Posted By: AndresVel Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 08:47 PM
Originally Posted by Ido
14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779)
You keep up the amazing progress, and I think your phrasing is starting to evolve as well!
Thank you Ido for your kind words :)) I am missing your submission in this recital frown

Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779)
It's great that you got to play this piece cleanly as Bach inventions are not easy. The tempo is very steady and the meter is clear (we can hear that it starts on an upbeat). Your ritardando at the end is quite tasteful. Now I would try to make it sound more energetic and lively. To do that I think the overall tempo should be a tad faster and it should have more dynamic contrast. Try to bring out especially when a new voice comes in as it will make the polyphonic character more noticeable.
Thank you very much Qazsedcft for your feedback and your kind words. I really appreciate it. I will try to bring out the voices a bit more on future attempts to play this piece, or any other invention. I agree with your comment regarding the tempo. I was striving for consistency but now I am thinking that having pushed a bit more the tempo would have been a good idea. I will try to make my playing of this piece more interesting in the future. thank you again very much smile
Posted By: AndresVel Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 08:57 PM
Here some more comments from my side:

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu First of all, props to you for taking on this piece. For us mortals, amateur pianists, this piece can be seen as quite a challenge, in spite of, as you also mentioned, not being yet top of the tops in terms of difficulty. I think you have very good ideas, and with some more work and polishing they will become more clear and consistent. On a critical note, and based only on the listening experience (I have not played this piece) for the first section, the main challenge now would be IMO to retain clarity and try to make it more interesting in the repeats. In the lyrical second section, It might be more about retaining the melody all throughout and decide wisely on rubato. I pretty much enjoyed watching your video. Your piano sounds lovely btw, I like Schimmels smile Awesome stuff :))

12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576 what a beautiful sound and what an superb playing. I had to listen to it three times in a row. The quality of the recording is also outstanding. The trills sound amazing! Thank you also for choosing a piece by Handel I did not know about. It is a beautiful pair and makes me want to explore other keyboard works by him. I do not know how often you play on harpsichord, but I am now wondering how you approach switching to a harpsichord for a given piece, given that you do not have anymore the palette of dynamics a piano provides. What do you try to focus on instead?

22. mmathew - Waltz in a minor, B.150 Posth Good job mmathew! Do not be so hard on yourself. I think you are doing very good with this piece already and I am sure that with a bit more practice you will take your interpretation to a level you would be more pleased with. I think you are at that point with this piece where it is more about polishing than getting it right, and that might give you a chance to experiment and work on the details you want to add. In any case, I think you should be very proud of your progress.

32. Maira713 - Op. 1 No. 4 ("24 Short and Easy Pieces for Keyboard") Good job Maira! smile Very good progress. I liked the little nuances at the end of the piece. Keep the hard work smile

42. Amy H - Story of You I am aware Alexis Ffrench is a popular composer in the ABF but I had not listened to any of his compositions before, so thank you for introducing it to me. I loved your playing. You seemed very much in control the entire time and I could not spot the mistakes you mention in the description. I think it was flawlessly played and your pianism showed nicely all throughout. Great job.
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 08:58 PM
3 SMA55

I see what you mean about Mozart but I love the mixture of utter simplicity and complexity. Now, I wouldn't be able to pick up on your playing imperfections; I'd never attempt a piece such as this, but the attraction to do a part of it is strong; like most, I like Mozart. And for his humour, lacking in so much period music.
I loved what you did. It seemed to encapsulate above all else, a love of music, harmony,
in short, the love of the sound of the piano.

4 Sam S

Seems like a variation on Bach's first 48 (Ave Maria) from beginning to where it gets loud.
A bit o' Mantra Music is always welcome here, Sam; you know that! I'm drinking to this right now.
Nicely done!

5 Wouter79

Darn good exercise for one's fingers. The second part was really nice and had a chunky feel to it which was played to perfection with good dynamics. Well done.

6 Barbaram

Great tempo, great fun! You scored here with this one; nicely done!

7 Marie J

I never tire of hearing Satie. This series of stuff he wrote (Gymnopedies and Gnossieres) aren't a barrel of laughs, but in their own way, they're pleasantly contemplative; this was done well. It's the hardest thing in the world to play these real slow and sometimes it doesn't feel right to do it

8 Peyton

Oh, your poor kitty! You put in a lot of work here and it sounds lovely; always good to hear original work.

9 QuasiUna Fantasia

Lovely sound here from your VST Bosie. Never heard this before but you make a fine job of it.

10 Flygbladet

Super! You get a huge sound out of that P45 you sure that's all you're playing?. . . .sounds very involved stuff you're playing, and worthy of your talents! Well done!

I get new surprises everytime I come on here . . . smile
Posted By: lilypad Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 10:37 PM
Another group of performers to greet and congratulate on their recital performances:

28. rwsavory - The Poet Speaks - Op 15 "Scenes from Childhood" Expressive piece! Thank you for the insight provided in your comments of the poet remembering childhood.

29. bSharp(C)yclist (Dan) - Consolation, Op. 30, No. 3 This piece brings back memories of my dad playing it when I was a kid. Yikes! I think I've pledged it for the Mendolssohn themed recital. I see it's RCM grade 7....

30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer Bravo! I rarely hear all the parts of this piece. I've only ever played part 1 and probably an easy arrangement at that.

31. winterflower - I soar now the embers have cooled It's always interesting to hear an original composition from one of the Piano World members.

32. Maira713 - Op. 1 No. 4 ("24 Short and Easy Pieces for Keyboard") I agree with your slower tempo. It fits the music well.

33. joangolfing - Air Suisse Op. 36 No.5 Congratulations on your performance. Baroque music is a challenge for me.

34. Moo smile - Songs without words opus 38 no 3 Wow! Nice! It sounds like a very difficult piece, but your relaxed hands and fluent execution in the video make it look easy.

35. KevinM - Songs Without Words Opus 19 No. 1 Beautiful music, beautifully played. Thank you for that.

36. Talao - Sonatina in G Major Anh. 5 (both movements) Congratulations on your first sonatina. I wouldn't have known there were minor mistakes if you hadn't mentioned them.

37. Purrblast - Sonatina in A minor (Op. 27. No. 18) Delightful listening! I had Kabalevsky's 24 Pieces for Children book and ditched it before I finished the pieces because they were so boring. I'm on a mission now to check out his other works.
Posted By: Rachtoven Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 11:06 PM
I've been impressed with the pieces I've heard so far. I have some initial comments on some pieces I've heard:

01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky

Excellent in every way! I really enjoyed this. Also, your piano sounds wonderful
and is wonderfully recorded.

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu

I agree with your interpretive approach, and you are playing the piece at the tempo it needs despite the technical difficulties this imposes. You’ve set yourself quite a challenge but are well on your way to meeting it.

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545

This was great. You handled the technical challenges very well. Nice sounding piano (and mics!). I’ve also been thinking about getting the line audio mics.

04. Sam S - Etude 2

Minimalism usually isn’t my bag, but I like this a lot. Your tempo and dynamic changes created appropriate contrasts at just the right points to make everything fit together and be interesting. That’s quite an achievement for such a lengthy, monothematic piece.

22. mmathew - Waltz in a minor, B.150 Posth

I enjoyed your playing. Playing pieces a bit beyond your level can be a great way of challenging yourself and stretching your technique. I have not learned this piece but have listened to it many times. It sounds like you simplified the piece only in a few places. If you focus on those harder bits as Chopin wrote them, it might not take you too long to master the whole.

23. peterws - Winter

The way you varied the tempo and dynamics gave a nice character to the music. Very well done!

24. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata K331 1st Movement - Andante grazioso

This is a great performance! You certainly captured Mozart’s aesthetic.

25. Ganddalf - Tango

Quite enjoyable! Keep playing with freedom; that’s what makes music interesting.

26. lilypad - The Bass Man Walketh

This was really fun to listen to and excellently played!

40. PikaPianist - Waltz Op. 39, No. 9

Wonderful playing. I would call your approach to the outer parts ultra-whimsical, which sets up an interesting contrast with the more serious and impassioned playing of the middle part. Your approach makes for more interesting listening than Lisitsa’s.

41. Augustina - Expression

This is really enjoyable and quite impressive for only a week’s practice.

42. Amy H - Story of You

This sounded great! I certainly didn’t hear any mistakes.

43. selfishplayer - Keyboard concerto no.7 in g minor BWV - 1058 first movement - Allegro piano solo

This piece sounds monstrously difficult to play and you gave it a good go. I enjoyed it.

45. tyschoco - Sonatina in G Major, Op 55 No.2 1st Movement, Allegretto

Very well done, particularly the articulations and the scale passages. I really liked this.

46. Pathbreaker - Alte Liebe

This piece is so beautiful. Great performance!
Posted By: Wie Waldi Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 11:15 PM
As there is this technical feedback wanted yes/no issue, I just give feedback to everyone, no matter if you want or not. To whose who really don't want to get feedback: Sorry - you have to come over it!

Btw: I believe I also had clicked yes, but I am not 100% sure, it's some time ago.


01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky I think you hit the mood of this piece spot on. If there was a movie this one would fit quite well, then "Who Framed Roger Rabbit", in the scene inside that nightclub right before Jessica does her performance. I love it, when music is able to create emotions and pictures in my head. Well done!

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu This was the piece I was the most eager listening to. Especially because of all this forum talk about self-learning vs having a teacher. I was repeatedly thinking about getting a teacher or an online course for myself, but your piece showed me what is possible if one is willing to learn by its own. I think I will stick to the self-learner route for some more time. As this piece is often referred as one of the top 10 hardest piano pieces, you did very well. Of coarse if this is played by a world-class pianist like Dmitry Shisnkin, it is something different. But still I doubt very few will come close to his performance anyways - with or without having a teacher. And needless to say, he is probably playing a bit longer than just 5 years. Big compliment from my side!
btw: I would be interested if you redo Fantaisie Impromptu after one or two years, and see how your playing develops over time.

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545 You played it very lightweight. And it was a joy listening to it. Mozart is one of the few composers who made music that is beloved by children as both as adults. There is no need to come into his music, it is right there. I can give no technical feedback as it sounded just perfect for me. All 10 minutes of playing. Thanks for sharing.

04. Sam S - Etude 2 Lot of dynamic and expression. And even if this piece holds a lot of repetition, it keeps interesting while listening. You are building it up all the time with adding here and there a little bit. Kudos to Glass for composing, kudos to you for doing such a nice interpreation. Loved also the slideshow, the pictures did fit very nice to the mood of the piece. Autumn can come!

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) Nicely done. Loved the 2nd part after 1:20 most as it was executed very clear and controlled with a well rounded interpretation. Enjoyed the changes from legato to staccato. About the first part I had the impression it was a bit too challenging. As this seem to be extraordinary tricky you managed to made it through with a quite high speed. As a piano player I was impressed by that, but from a listeners perspective, I would have preferred a slower tempo with some more control.

06. barbaram - Dansul Romanesc I agree if you said, this one was fun to play. At least it sounded fun. There is often a tradeoff between accuracy and expression, I am glad chose the latter one with quite some fire in it.

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1 I am not that familiar with Erik Satie. But piece is one I heard quite often. And like you I enjoy it every time when I hear. Your interpretation was no exception.

08. Peyton - Gnossienne For Stella I understand why you love your composition. I loved it, too. If this really came from improvisation, you kept playing a constant theme for more than 5 minutes. Thanks to a lot of variations, it got never boring. I also liked your video editing, with pannings technique and fadings in a very relaxed style.

09. QuasiUnaFantasia - Stimmungsbilder, opus 9 no. 4: Traumerei Beautiful played. This matches perfect to the title of the piece. You have a very great feeling for decay. With your VST, the recording sounds amazing. Thanks for sharing.

10. Flygbladet - Tonbilder part 2 "barnmenuett" (Childrens menuett) Tip on coming back? For me it sounds have never paused. You put on quite a lot of expression into this piece. Also loved the contrast from calm and lovely playing into an aggressive style very abruptly. Keeps the piece intersting in whole length.

11. JJHLH - Feuillet d'Album Op 45, No 1 Very soulfully playing. Love the up and downs in tempo to enhance the expression.

12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576 It is nice to hear of people don't select the best sounding instrument at all like a Concert Grand, but pick an inferior instrument that really fits to the era of the music composed. And your harpsichord VST is a really beautiful one. It's like a time-machine, truely. Needless to say your playing was perfect from top to bottom and your experience in piano playing is really audible.

13. Alpha Terminus - Lotus Land Well played and very good control over tempo and dynamics. Creates a strong melancholic mood.

14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779) Mich erstaunt immer wieder, wie sauber Du spielst. Du hast eine perfekte Ton-Seperation. (Gibt's das Wort überhaupt?) Ebenso ist bei dir sowohl das Tempo-halten als auch die Kontrolle über die Lautstärke beeindruckend. Kaum zu glauben, dass Du gerade mal vor einem Jahr mit dem Klavier angefangen hast. Dazu kommt, dass dieses Stück lediglich eines von 40 in diesem Jahr ist. In so kurzer Zeit eine so perfekte Performance - wow. Man merkt sofort, dass Du es mit diesem Hobby ernst meinst und ich bin mir sicher, dass wir noch viele grossartige Stücke von Dir hören werden.
(English translation: thumb)

15. Serge88 - Boogie Blues Etude Yessss. Like it. You got the groove! So calm and steady and captivating. You composed the middle part? Amazing! Fits very well to the other parts, didn't notice any change or switch or whatever. Also I find it always entertaining, of one puts a video online instead of a mp3 file only. It connects more. btw: your "metronome" sounds really blues-ish and makes some really nice background beat^^

16. vte - Vieux Noel in G minor Melancholic mood does't help to cool down a sweaty hot summer day. Luckily today it's raining and your piece fits very well in. I never heard this piece before, but I am sure it should be played in the way as you did. Your interpretation is well rounded. Thanks for sharing.

17. dumka1 - Prelude Op. 11 no 2 You performed this piece very expressively. And for a listener like me that is not into Scriabin, there were no errors to be found. It sounded all very well. Intersting you have access to a Steinway inside a church, lucky you.

18. psyche23 (Edwin) - Le Piccadilly This was fun to listen to! Exactly my taste of music, as I like ragtime and this is somehow same kind of style. Very well played. I am a bit jealous as this recording as absolutely flawless, and I always have blibs and quonks in mine.

19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements Impressive improvisation. Seems as your emotions are going directly from your heart to the strings of your piano. Thanks for sharing.

20. QuentinP - WTK 1 Prelude 8 Eb minor Your interpretation is very sentimental and delicate.

21. Calavera - Theme of Love You have a lot of control over your hands. Didn't expect you can go that loud and dramatic somewhere in the middle for a short section, while the other parts remain at a very equal and quiet volume. Also I found your selection of music very fresh. I haven't been at Japanese composers, nor at video-game themes so far. And from what I heard, it is not second to the more known Holywood soundtracks. You opened a door in my musical universe, thank you for that. Really great interpretation for 2 years of adult-playing. I guess your childhood experience is paying off.
Posted By: Peyton Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/16/21 11:26 PM
4. Sam- Nice playing Sam. I've been working on this poece for quite some time and planned on putting it up for the next recital. I hope I can do it as well as you do here.

7. MarieJ- Splendid!! Just beautifully played. I love this piece and you do it total justice.
Originally Posted by Ido
29. bSharp(C)yclist (Dan) - Consolation, Op. 30, No. 3
I'd start with the criticism -
I think some parts sound a bit abrupt - like at 0:22 - you can do it more delicately. This occurs several times.
Now for the better part:
I really really enjoyed the performance, because you play it with intent. The musicality of the performance cannot be mistaken. The sound of the piano is amazing - which is also your doing.

@Ido and Wie Waldi - I knew what parts (0:22) you were talking about without having to listen to it. Yes, I can definitely make those more delicate and I think it's easily fixable next time around. When I first learned this piece it was on a hybrid digital in which case I left the pedal down during that part. So even though I'm letting my hands off, the sound isn't as abrupt. I can see that in an old recording I have on YT.

After getting the grand piano in November last year, I had to really change a lot things in regards to pedaling. In this case, I release it before ending the phrase and so I need to lean off a little slower at the end of it.

Thanks for listening!
Posted By: PianogrlNW Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/17/21 12:29 AM
My first batch of comments. I'm skipping around.

01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky I first heard of this composer a couple of days ago at my teacher’s adult recital. A piece called Katherine, completely different in style than Sneaky. This a fun, flirty piece and you captured the light-hearted spirit and played it really well with expression. Your audio recording was high quality. If you want to keep working on it, I think you can give this piece some more character by coming up with contrasting phrases, like a call and response format, or dialogue between two people having some fun. More Forte in some places, contrasted with Pianissimo.

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu Welcome to the recital and congratulations on your first submittal! You have admiral finger dexterity and fluid runs. I get the impression that you spent more time practicing the beginning of the piece. As you approach the middle section and again in return of the A section, your tempo starts to increase, and your fingers can’t keep up, which trips up your rhythm and ability to hit the correct notes. I think you could do more with the middle section. It’s such a beautiful contrast to the rest of the Impromptu. Bring out the melody more and let it sing.

04. Sam S - Etude 2 I have never played anything by Glass but I imagine it’s very challenging to keep the listener’s attention so they don’t zone out with the repetitive patterns. You tempo is rock steady. My only suggestion is to increase the tempo some and, in the first part of the piece, make the RH less loud and give the phrases more shape. There is a theme amidst all those repeated notes that needs to be brought out more. I think your phrasing is more successful when you get to the middle of the piece. I can hear how you ramp up the drama and your slow, long crescendos are very effective. Near the end when the theme is in the LH, those notes in the high register need to pop out. Not sure how to do that except maybe rely on the damper pedal and hold them down longer.

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) I can’t find any pulse in Hill and Dale and the rhythm sounds off. It would sound better if the rhythm was correct and you played at a slower tempo. Not sure why that happened because Ballet has a clear, steady pulse.

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1 You have the notes down. If you want to continue to working on it, I think you could focus on bringing out your RH melody. Play it as loud as you can and then you will start to hear how effective it can be. It would transform this piece and liven it up.

10. Flygbladet - Tonbilder part 2 "barnmenuett" (Childrens menuett) You give a lively and very skilled performance of this interesting composer and piece. I don’t have any technical suggestions as I thought it sounded great. Your piano is calling you back. Don’t stop playing!
Posted By: tyschoco Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/17/21 01:34 AM
Next Round of feedback! Very enjoyable listens.

Btw i also turned on technical feedback in my own post confused

11. JJHLH - Feuillet d'Album Op 45, No 1
You have good musical ideas and you are phrasing the piece rather well. You give attention to interesting points in the music based on the colorful harmonies and melodic contours. Delightful little piece and playing! I'll leave a few more critical comments in a spoiler tag.
I noticed that your tempo greatly slows and fluctuates in the middle of piece from measure 13 till the return of the main theme in measure 21. This is normal as there are a ton of polyrhythms and large spreads in the right hand that are likely causing this. (I would make the same mistake too haha). Perhaps another point is the chromatic rising notes in the top line from measure 10 to 14 (the F to B flat) could have more attention brought to it as this runs in tandem with scriabin's notation to go from the piano dynamic to poco forte. Hope this helps in future works you take on!

16. vte - Vieux Noel in G minor
This was played expressively and was in the mood of the piece. Very steady and clean. I really like your phrasing and direction you are giving to his piece. Very tasteful use of rubato and attention is brought to the left hand's upper voice. Very enjoyable listen. A few small critiques below.
While i am unsure if this is due to the limitation of the instrument you are playing on or the recording, in places where the left hand takes an interesting melody, the right hand could be toned down a little with the left hand shaped more. I also notice that the left hand doesn't fully maintain legato all the way though in certain places (perhaps due to fingering or slight mistep on the pedal?). For example in measure 28 near the end, you can actually choose to slide your pointer finger in the left hand down from the C sharp to the C natural to maintain the legato without the pedal. Just little nitpicks! Mostly due to the fact your right hand is so beautifully shaped already and i am just eking to see that little more from your great playing smile

18. psyche23 (Edwin) - Le Piccadilly
This was just amazing. You should be quite proud of what you achieved playing this. You are definitely in the spirit of the piece and everything was very clean, especially the octaves and left hand leaps (if there were any mistakes, i could not catch them) and the ragtime character is brought out very well. Nice dynamic contrast when and where due. I wonder how much more amazing it would be on an acoustic instrument, more subtle details could probably come through more that way. Look forward to hearing more laugh

22. mmathew - Waltz in a minor, B.150 Posth
Ah a classic!
Before i start, i think your analysis of your playing in your recital post is very mature and shows you have a lot of self introspection, which indicates that you will go far in the long run smile

You are absolutely right that this piece is quite complex, it is deceptively simple. I think it's a milestone that your playing did not have any major blemishes it in, left hand was clean and your pulse was nice and steady. You honestly did not leave out that many ornaments, in fact you will find some performers in Bach pieces especially will omit certain ornaments if they feel it intrudes on the integrity of the music. It was an enjoyable listen and i think you deserve credit for putting yourself out there. Looking forward to hear more from you!
Since you are already quite aware of your own flaws, i will leave critique behind a spoiler tag addressing a few specific areas

First of, i absolutely agree with you with the need for structured learning and progress on a scale of complexity. we are of the same mind haha. Hopefully you have managed to find a good teacher already!
A first major observation is that it seems you are either holding the pedal all the way through the piece or you are not lifting the pedal at the right time. This is causing the harmonies of the piece to mush together.
Other than that, you are very likely aware of other little blemishes, but i will list a couple out for posterity sake. Firstly is the quintuplet arpeggios need to be cleaner and the ornaments could be done a little more gracefully (although as you said, the piece is already a challenge enough as is). Finally, phrasing and direction could be added to the beautiful melodic contours of this piece. I believe with a solid teacher, you will go really far.

24. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata K331 1st Movement - Andante grazioso
Oh this is one of my favorites, i can tell i am going to enjoy this. I'll give feedback broken down by each variation

Theme: Beautifully phrased with tasteful use of breath marks and poco rubato. Nothing much to say, it was wonderfully played.

Variation 1: I actaully like that you did not use too much pedal, the articulation is very clear and your playing is easy going. Tasteful ending!

Variation 2: Your voicing is very good in this variation, the main theme is cutting through all the textures rather well, shows you have good control over your voicing. I notice a little bit of hesitation in the 4 against 3 polyrhythms. I personally think the tempo has to be slightly faster to ensure the main melody is the same as the theme (120 eigth note ish?). But overall its good!

Variation 3: Expressively played, your octave were very clean considering how hard it must be to play them! Once again very tasteful use of a little rubato and good shaping. You bring the mood change to A minor very well

Variation 4: Oh my, this variation looks hard! But you did it very very well. I love that the middle mass of notes do not intrude on the main voice. Very very well done.

Variation 5: Expressively played and nice flowing scalar passages. Your ornaments are very well done. It should be noted that you left hand is very well controlled, it does not intrude but healthily supports the main melody.

Variation 6: Very cleanly played and graceful ornaments and a secure ending. As with the 2nd variation, i believe the tempo for this one has to be slightly faster to ensure the main melody (Quarter note 116 ish?) stays at the same 'speed'. The faster tempo will allow the scalar passages to run more and provide a little more energy.

Overall, i love the discipline you put in to the metronome practice as it clearly shows in your steady playing. But it is also expressive with tasteful playing of the tempo. I look forward to hearing the rest of the sonata. Thank you for posting this smile
Posted By: PianogrlNW Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/17/21 03:05 AM
Another batch of comments

12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576 Crisp, clean playing. Your ornaments are clearly articulated. The recording sounds muted, and I think another recording method where the notes resounded would have a larger impact. Clearly there was much skill and practice, so make sure we hear the results of your efforts.

13. Alpha Terminus - Lotus Land Welcome back! I am not familiar with this composer. The harmonies create a certain mystique that I think you effectively reveal. Your glissando is unexpected and dramatic! My only suggestion is to calm down your LH so that it is quieter. I like how you quietly end the piece and the final arpeggios. Very intriguing and lovely performance!

14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779) Your performance shows skill in even, fluid playing and the ability to bring out the different voices. The tempo could be a bit faster with some varying dynamics, but with only 1 year experience playing you’re way ahead of the curve. I would like to hear you play a piece that has more emotional content, such as some of the shorter, intermediate level pieces by Schumann, Chopin, Debussy, MacDowell.

18. psyche23 (Edwin) - Le Piccadilly This is one of the highlights of this recital. Performed like a professional! You have the listener in mind and you seem like a natural performer. So helpful to have added and referenced the Max Morath video. I never in a million years would have guessed that Satie composed this piece. Bravo!
Posted By: Talão Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/17/21 03:31 AM
Here go another five:

06. barbaram - Dansul Romanesc
Oh boy! I now understand what you meant by "fun to play!" As I listened, I was visualizing a stage with a couple of performers dancing in some sort of cabaret. You definitely managed to convey the energy and feeling of movement. Made me want to learn the piece too!

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1
I worked on the Gymnopédie No. 1 and this piece is my next in line from Satie. I haven't attempted it yet, but I imagine the rhythmic differences between left and right hand will be a challenge. I like the tempo you chose, the balance between the hands, the way you bring out the melody, and the consistency with the ornaments (another thing I predict I'll have trouble with). Very enjoyable to listen to.

08. Peyton - Gnossienne For Stella
Sorry to hear about your furry friend's accident. I hope she recovers fully and quickly. Beautiful composition and beautiful playing all around. Not much else I can add, besides saying great job! Greatly enjoyed listening to it.

14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779)
Very clean and very well controlled. I like it very much. I haven't gotten the courage to try Bach inventions yet. I want to work on a few more "little preludes" first. One goal for my 3rd year that just started is to work on at least one invention.

30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer
Definitely impressive for 7 months of learning! Nice steady tempo and musicality. I like how you aged the video too. Nice touch! I made the mistake of going for the original version of The Entertainer too early in my journey and then settled for the much easier version that's on Alfred's All-in-One Volume 1. The version you are playing appears to have a nice level of difficulty between Alfred's and the more difficult original version. I went back and saw you wrote the source is "sheet music" and I wonder if you'd mind letting me know where you got this arrangement. I'd like to give it a try since I'm not yet ready to tackle the harder one.
Posted By: Talão Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/17/21 03:55 AM
Thank you Wie Waldi, Qazsedcft, and lilypad for taking the time to listen to my piece and provide feedback. I too meant to write "yes" on the feedback checkbox and it defaulted to "no."

Originally Posted by Wie Waldi
Very lovely interpretation of Beethoven's Sonatina. Loved both movements. The 2nd one always makes me wanna sing some text with "...over the sea... over the ocean". (Happened the same as with AndresVel's version) So there must be another song that sounds a bit similar with that text, but I don't get which one. Anyway, you did it very well, not to say flawless. For just a little more than two years of playing this is really impressive! Thanks for sharing.

Thank you so much! I think I know what you mean with the desire to sing it. In my case, the piece makes me want to move my body as I play it; more than any other piece I've played before. :-) I was swinging around a bit (you can see some of it in the reflection on the piano in the YouTube video).

Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
Sonatinas are fun aren't they? This was very nicely played and your errors are barely noticeable. You keept going which is the most important thing.

Thank you! Yes, they are super fun! I'm thinking about which one to try next. If another one from Beethoven, the one many people go for as their first sonatina, which is the Clementi Op. 36, No. 1, or one by Gurlitt from Op. 54. The second movement took me many more takes to get a recording than the first, and at some point I just came to terms with the fact it was going to have some hiccups in it.
Posted By: lilypad Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/17/21 04:34 AM
After a series of breaks for gardening, piano practice, supper and washing up, I've had another enjoyable listening session and am headed into the lobby of the virtual recital hall to congratulate another group of participants on their performances:

38. facdo - Impromptu in E flat Major Op.90 No.2 I can see why you fell in love with the piece you played. Congratulations on your perseverance. To my ears, you've conquered both technique and musicality in your performance.

39. Snejana - Contemplation I'm not familiar with the original music, but I find your improvisation very soothing to listen to.

40. PikaPianist - Waltz Op. 39, No. 9 I love your interpretation of the waltz. You brought it to life and the ending sounded especially good.

41. Augustina - Expression Very enjoyable relaxing music.

42. Amy H - Story of You A pleasant, dreamy sound. Thanks for sharing your favorite composer.

43. selfishplayer - Keyboard concerto no.7 in g minor BWV - 1058 first movement - Allegro piano solo You sound right at home with what sounds like an advanced level Bach piece.

44. Rachtoven - Consolation No. 3 Beautiful piece. I'm glad you went for the more interpretive take.

45. tyschoco - Sonatina in G Major, Op 55 No.2 1st Movement, Allegretto Well played. I'm not qualified in the technical feedback department, but my ears are happy with what you played.

46. Pathbreaker - Alte Liebe A beautifully reflective piece.
Posted By: QuentinP Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/17/21 04:57 AM
Some more comments. I am very much enjoying listening to all the brilliant playing. As other have said, it is also really fun to be introduced to so many pieces and composers I am completely unfamiliar with.

16. vte - Vieux Noel in G minor
Peaceful and pensive with a beautiful expressive tone. Terrific.

17. dumka1 - Prelude Op. 11 no 2
Another fabulous Scriabin. Thoughtful and slightly mysterious, I particularly liked the dynamics and rubato.

18. psyche23 (Edwin) - Le Piccadilly
Wow, Satie really is full of surprises! This was jolly and strutting and really fun to listen to. I think this style of music benefits from a certain care-free brashness, and I don’t think your octaves sounded harsh at all. Excellent playing.

19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements
This was a little hard for me to follow at times, but you were clearly deeply immersed and flowing free.

21. Calavera - Theme of Love
Beautifully played, you have great control and tone. You gave it drama and strongly contrasting emotions without becoming histrionic. Very impressive.

22. mmathew - Waltz in a minor, B.150 Posth
This is seriously impressive for your level of experience - this waltz is deceptively difficult, well done. A couple of suggestions: a little more dynamic separation between the hands (although this may be the recording), and perhaps to change the pedal a little more frequently.

23. peterws - Winter
Terrific performance. Your variety of expression was perfect and made this fun and interesting to listen to. Beautiful.

24. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata K331 1st Movement - Andante grazioso
Wow, this was fantastic. Elegant and understated with just the right amount of expressive nuance.

25. Ganddalf - Tango
Your playing has a wonderful quietly lyrical quality. Great performance of this lovely piece.

26. lilypad - The Bass Man Walketh
Jazzy and smooth. Your understated groove made this sound very cool.

27. Jason Lenthe - Nocturne in G Minor Op. 15 No. 3
Well done with this beautiful nocturne - you bring out the melody and hold the line really well. At times it sounds a little percussive but this could just be the recording. Overall well done!

28. rwsavory - The Poet Speaks - Op 15 "Scenes from Childhood"
A lovely sensitive and contemplative rendition. I think you capture the mood perfectly.

29. bSharp(C)yclist (Dan) - Consolation, Op. 30, No. 3
Very expressive with nice control of dynamics. Well done.

30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer
This is great, and very impressive for your level of experience! It has really good energy and the hands sound well balanced.
Posted By: ranjit Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/17/21 05:25 AM
Originally Posted by Wie Waldi
02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu This was the piece I was the most eager listening to. Especially because of all this forum talk about self-learning vs having a teacher. I was repeatedly thinking about getting a teacher or an online course for myself, but your piece showed me what is possible if one is willing to learn by its own.
I would suggest not generalizing from an isolated case. I have personally not reached a high level of piano playing, and players who are self-taught seldom manage to play even as well as I do. The route is fraught with pitfalls, and you need to be very careful and methodical, much beyond what most people are willing to put in. On balance, if you have the funds, I would suggest trying to find a great teacher who can teach you at a professional standard. I don't think you can completely compensate for that through online resources or books. In addition to all of that, as I mentioned, my playing of the piece has improved significantly over the past 3-4 months with a teacher. I only say it's possible (and that too, perhaps not for everyone), not that it's easy.

Originally Posted by Wie Waldi
As this piece is often referred as one of the top 10 hardest piano pieces, you did very well.
It's not even close, lol. If we had a piano piece difficulty rating from 1-10, where 10 was some crazy hard piece, FI would be at most a 5 imo. It's not actually that hard.

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And needless to say, he is probably playing a bit longer than just 5 years. Big compliment from my side!
btw: I would be interested if you redo Fantaisie Impromptu after one or two years, and see how your playing develops over time.
Thank you! It's definitely on the cards.
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Posted By: Qazsedcft Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/17/21 06:23 AM
Originally Posted by PianogrlNW
01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky I first heard of this composer a couple of days ago at my teacher’s adult recital. A piece called Katherine, completely different in style than Sneaky. This a fun, flirty piece and you captured the light-hearted spirit and played it really well with expression. Your audio recording was high quality. If you want to keep working on it, I think you can give this piece some more character by coming up with contrasting phrases, like a call and response format, or dialogue between two people having some fun. More Forte in some places, contrasted with Pianissimo.
Thanks for your comment. Indeed, I listened to it after some time (I recorded this in May) and now I would play the middle section piano to contrast with the other parts.
Posted By: Qazsedcft Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/17/21 06:39 AM
Originally Posted by Talão
Thank you! Yes, they are super fun! I'm thinking about which one to try next. If another one from Beethoven, the one many people go for as their first sonatina, which is the Clementi Op. 36, No. 1, or one by Gurlitt from Op. 54. The second movement took me many more takes to get a recording than the first, and at some point I just came to terms with the fact it was going to have some hiccups in it.
Clementi op. 36, no. 1 is much easier than this and it's fun too. At this level you have a lot of choices. For example, have a look at Diabelli op. 168 or Gurlitt op. 214, or Kuhlau op. 55. You can even start some Mozart Viennese Sonatinas or even some easier Haydn sonatas (Hob. XI:10, Hob. XVI:8).
Posted By: Flygbladet Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/17/21 08:06 AM
Thank you all for your comment. I actually played some this week. Nit something complicated and frustrating but the mozart early work (that he write as a child).
They brought me Joy once. Maybe I should record some of this.
Not every piece need to be a challenge?

I would love to give some comment on the other pieces. I listened to them all on my way to woek. But find myself unable to write right now. Its been a tough summer so well. A bit worked out.

But I want to make a comment on this comment cause i find elfrida so fascinating.


Originally Posted by Pianist685
10. Flygbladet - Barnmenuett (Elfrida Andree) Digging out pieces by obsucre composers is always an adventure and it seems you are the first pianist who recorded this one. That alone deserves special appreciation. It seems we do not know what Elfrida Andree had in mind when she composed this piece - the following "Om kvällan" you recorded for the previous recital is much easier to understand. "The sound of children", hm, I would not say so, rather a desricption of 19th century children "drilled" by adults to dance a minuet. The "B" part is playful and joyful, but the "A/C" part sounds really harsh to me, as if someone needed to show the kids who the boss is. Well, it is no secret that children at that time were treated in such a manner. The chords marked "f" and "ff" even sound brutal to me. I am glad I grew up 100 years later, haha...

I find your comment so intresting. Do we leave small comment about our inner thoughts in music and the naming of it?
What I do know about Elfrida was that she didnt have any children. She also never got married - But her sister (a famous opera-singer at the time) did and had
One sources claimed that elfrida didnt have the beauty of her sister where as her father promited this career for her as the "behind the scene" instead of on stage.
What we also know is she was - as common at the time - also had choirs with children and teached the piano. She was also a progressive and very involved in that times suffragettes-movement (she even composed long forgotten choir-orchestra music for it).
One of the leading progressive at the time in the same movement was Ellen Key - who wrote the book "children's century". She influenced many politicians and authors at the time - one of them Selma Lagerlöf that I wrote about have had a opera-project with Elfrida. The idea was a whole new concept with a better and more child focused education and that children shouldn't be small soldiers and shouldn't have that strict discipline.

Elfrida must have met Ellen Key several time - since both being at the same locations and venues at the time.
That doesn't mean they shares all thoughts and ideas. Ofcourse
So I wonder wonder what she thought when composing this one. We might not really know. Maybe it is a fun song for children to dance to. Maybe it is a comment on the harsh ideal from conservative drilling of children.
Maybe it's the sound of children as she sees it. Maybe start the day with a lot of sound- soft playing- sleeping and then all start over?

Elfrida also written a fugue called "tooth ache"
You can almost hear the tooth ache in it
What a fun lady she was laugh
Posted By: QuentinP Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/17/21 08:46 AM
My final lot of comments. What an awesome recital - congratulations everyone. I have had a little extra time on my hands due to lockdown so have been able to binge the recordings which has been excellent fun. Such a variety of pieces and performances. It's been brilliant so thank you all for bringing a shiny little ray in an otherwise gloomy time.
Thanks especially to Qazsedcft, Lilypad (I meant to say earlier - ain't nothing wrong with leftovers! smile ), tyschoco and Wie Waldi for your kind words.


31. winterflower - I soar now the embers have cooled
Really interesting improvisation. Well done!

32. Maira713 - Op. 1 No. 4 ("24 Short and Easy Pieces for Keyboard")
What a lovely piece – I agree, it does have a music box quality to it. You played very well and have a really natural sense of rhythm. This is really impressive for only a few months learning!

33. joangolfing - Air Suisse Op. 36 No.5
This felt sweet and calming. You did a great job making the friendly melody sing out.

34. Moo smile - Songs without words opus 38 no 3
What a stirring performance. You could possibly make the left hand even more softly quivering against the melody, but overall this was great.

35. KevinM - Songs Without Words Opus 19 No. 1
Gently expressive with very sensitive playing, and I don’t think it was too slow.

36. Talao - Sonatina in G Major Anh. 5 (both movements)
Really confident playing, I enjoyed listening to this one. Your hands sounded well-balanced and it had a nice energy. Well done.

37. Purrblast - Sonatina in A minor (Op. 27. No. 18)
I enjoyed your relaxed playing, and the driving syncopation maintained the pulse very effectively. Sounds like a fun piece to play.

38. facdo - Impromptu in E flat Major Op.90 No.2
This was gorgeous. The long runs were like pearly droplets. Loved it.

39. Snejana - Contemplation
Congratulations, this is very impressive. I loved the gentle, poignant melody.

40. PikaPianist - Waltz Op. 39, No. 9
This had a great energy –almost an Alpine feel – and I can imagine the dancers whizzing around the floor. Really well played.

41. Augustina - Expression
What an apt title. It felt like you were telling a personal story. Well done!

42. Amy H - Story of You
Great playing of this expressive piece. You manage to convey wonderful emotion, but in a beautifully subtle way, and I really enjoyed the space you gave it.

43. selfishplayer - Keyboard concerto no.7 in g minor BWV - 1058 first movement - Allegro piano solo
This sounds really complex – it was very brave of you to play the whole thing in one single go. Well done.

44. Rachtoven - Consolation No. 3
Romantic, dreamy and understated. Great performance.

45. tyschoco - Sonatina in G Major, Op 55 No.2 1st Movement, Allegretto
This had a lovely balanced rhythm and a pleasingly energetic pulse. I also enjoyed your clear articulation – you played beautifully. Perhaps once or twice the left hand overpowered a little, but that may just be the recording. Well done.

46. Pathbreaker - Alte Liebe
Another excellent performance. You created some lovely phrasing while still maintaining the flowing sensation. Very expressive and meaningful.
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/17/21 06:16 PM
11 JJHLH

Nice playing, but I'm left wondering what it was . . . sounds modern, like one of the Russian pieces but unless Scriabin was Russian . . anyway, well done for this strange soundimng piece!

12 Pianist 685

Like a Spanish guitar with spikes . . .sounds like a Spanish piece. Then of course, it gets going on its wonderful journey. I reckon everyone would've enjoyed this!

13 Alpha Terminus

Sounds heavy going! A brave attempt indeed! A lot of clinical playing is called for which isn't easy.

14 AndresVel

Good to do this without music! By the time I get to that stage, I'm sick of the song.
Very well done here!
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/17/21 06:36 PM
15 Serge 88

Lovely! This really hit the spot and that bass drum; you could feel thw felt pad hitting it. Wonderful stuff.

16 vte

You made a nice job of this. Another piece I never heard before.

17 dumka 1

This Scriabin stuff seems popular but a little strange to my ears. there's no doubt it has its adherants and its easy to see why. I enjoyed this nonetheless; thanks for sharing.

18 Psyche23

Delightful, you are of course your worst critic. Nobody else would fault this for its technique or exuberance! Wonderful powerful sound!

19 Ted Jones

I always turn up when the party's started . . .You do of course realise that the more often you play this the easier it becomes for us to digest and ultimately to actually like . . . smile

20 Quentin P

After Ted's worthy offering, this is an oasis of calm. I feel there needs to be a little more joining up to be done yet so it flows a tad better.
Posted By: Wie Waldi Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/17/21 07:31 PM
Thanks a lot, @lilypad, @QuentinP and @Talão.

Originally Posted by Talão
30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer
Definitely impressive for 7 months of learning! Nice steady tempo and musicality. I like how you aged the video too. Nice touch! I made the mistake of going for the original version of The Entertainer too early in my journey and then settled for the much easier version that's on Alfred's All-in-One Volume 1. The version you are playing appears to have a nice level of difficulty between Alfred's and the more difficult original version. I went back and saw you wrote the source is "sheet music" and I wonder if you'd mind letting me know where you got this arrangement. I'd like to give it a try since I'm not yet ready to tackle the harder one.
You are right, my version is somewhere between Alfred's and the original. But I thinks it sounds a lot better than Alfred's (not to mention Faber's), it is like the original version, but RH chords simplified and a much easier left hand. But all syncopations are there. I always wondered why Alfred's version does in some places syncopations, but then leaves them away. If a student has mastered this ragged ryhthm, playing more of it shouldn't be so much harder at all. With Alfred:s version, the ragtime-character is destroyed in some parts.

I'd go any time for the sheet music is used. It has a quite good balance between simplyfing and keeping the ragtime character.

Intro: I did Alfred's intro, because it allows better to build up the piece in the next bars
1st part: I changed in bars: 5, 9, 13, XX the 3rd bass note from G3 to C3 to have more "Ooohm pah Ooohm pah" instead of "Ooohm pah oh pah". I didn't like the sound of this score.
2nd part: here this score really shines.
3rd+4th part: As the first two parts already took me 2 months of learning and I always knew I must relearn those in the future, unsimplyfied. This made me switch to the original score. Took me about 3 weeks more in total to learn. Absolutely worth the time. Not to mention gaining muscle memory with playing octaves and stuff. On one side it is playing above my level, on the other side, it was a great finger exercise and a great hand-jumping exercise. And the best part: this exercise sounds like the Entertainer!
Posted By: ranjit Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/17/21 08:23 PM
16. vte - Vieux Noel in G minor Nice work! I think the next step would be to try shaping the melody a bit more, and thinking about longer phrases.

17. dumka1 - Prelude Op. 11 no 2 Interesting piece to listen to, and well played. It has a bit of an offbeat feel like a Chopin mazurka to my ears. I especially liked the phrase at 1:10, you demonstrate a meandering quality quite well.

18. psyche23 (Edwin) - Le Piccadilly Fun piece! Nice job with the stride, and the accents are right on point. Loved the crescendos and decrescendos such as that at 0:33. I think you can allow yourself a bit more bombast for the end. End on a high!

19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements To be honest, I found this a bit confusing. It does vaguely sound rainy, perhaps due to the harmonies and general note combinations. Whenever I hear improvisations like these, I'm not quite sure what to listen for. Should I pay attention to the individual notes/phrases and how they relate, or should I just zone out and try to pay attention to the overall feel? How do you intend them to be listened to, and how do you personally go about it?

20. QuentinP - WTK 1 Prelude 8 Eb minor I think you should try to be more steady with the rhythm. Right now, you have all of the notes, but it sounds way to hesitant and choppy. On the other hand, I think the tone quality you achieve is nice.

21. Calavera - Theme of Love Gorgeous piece! 2:40 is incredible, you've done a great job setting up the climax. Your playing is very appropriate to the style. It seems like you have the big picture planned out quite well. What you could do to improve at this point is focus in on the individual phrases and try to polish them up and see what you want to do with the phrasing to make it more consistent. Really nice work.

22. mmathew - Waltz in a minor, B.150 Posth Finally, a piece I've played in the past! It is a good effort, especially given the time for which you've been learning. Congratulations on reaching the finish line. Trying to play pieces like these can give you a much-needed boost in confidence. I think you can make some more progress on this piece. In no particular order, you can work on multiple things.

- Try to gain a feel for the rubato in Chopin's playing. You are playing metronomically, and that simply does not work with Chopin.
- Emphasize the melody more, when compared to the accompaniment. Let the bass note protrude slightly above the chords.
- Work on the three-octave arpeggio in the middle, by isolating it, and trying to play it with the right rhythm. You should get it eventually.
Posted By: PianogrlNW Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/17/21 09:58 PM
A few more comments -

22. mmathew - Waltz in a minor, B.150 Posth The recording sounded very blurry I think because you aren’t changing the pedal. The pedal should change when the harmonies change. I think for this piece, the pedal change would be on the first beat of each measure. I think your tempo is OK. Maybe focus on pedaling and getting the feeling of the waltz lilt internalized, where you place slightly more emphasis on beat 1.

25. Ganddalf - Tango An enjoyable performance. One suggestion when the theme repeats is to do something different, such as more Forte, or bring out the lovely LH part more.

26. lilypad - The Bass Man Walketh That was a confident performance. You were effective in creating an assertive walking bass that underpins the melody.

27. Jason Lenthe - Nocturne in G Minor Op. 15 No. 3 I think of the Nocturnes as introspective, even when they call for Forte playing. If you make the beginning quieter and wait to build the sound level until around 1:45, the performance will have a greater dramatic impact. Taking a breathing pause after a long phrase (around 8 bars) will give the piece more shape. Also experiment using rubato.

28. rwsavory - The Poet Speaks - Op 15 "Scenes from Childhood" Nice shaping of phrases and bringing out the melody. The notes aren’t always held for their full value and you sometimes have gaps between beats where you come in too late or sometimes you rush the beat and come in too early. I think the damper pedal needs to be changed more frequently so as not to end up with a blurred sound.

29. bSharp(C)yclist (Dan) - Consolation, Op. 30, No. 3 A confident performance and great job with the voicing. I agree with your assessment that the pedaling could be improved with more frequent pedal changes. Take your time with the final cadence as it sounds rushed. Your hands look relaxed.
Posted By: Talão Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/18/21 12:51 AM
Originally Posted by Wie Waldi
Thanks a lot, @lilypad, @QuentinP and @Talão.

Originally Posted by Talão
30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer
Definitely impressive for 7 months of learning! Nice steady tempo and musicality. I like how you aged the video too. Nice touch! I made the mistake of going for the original version of The Entertainer too early in my journey and then settled for the much easier version that's on Alfred's All-in-One Volume 1. The version you are playing appears to have a nice level of difficulty between Alfred's and the more difficult original version. I went back and saw you wrote the source is "sheet music" and I wonder if you'd mind letting me know where you got this arrangement. I'd like to give it a try since I'm not yet ready to tackle the harder one.
You are right, my version is somewhere between Alfred's and the original. But I thinks it sounds a lot better than Alfred's (not to mention Faber's), it is like the original version, but RH chords simplified and a much easier left hand. But all syncopations are there. I always wondered why Alfred's version does in some places syncopations, but then leaves them away. If a student has mastered this ragged ryhthm, playing more of it shouldn't be so much harder at all. With Alfred:s version, the ragtime-character is destroyed in some parts.

I'd go any time for the sheet music is used. It has a quite good balance between simplyfing and keeping the ragtime character.

Intro: I did Alfred's intro, because it allows better to build up the piece in the next bars
1st part: I changed in bars: 5, 9, 13, XX the 3rd bass note from G3 to C3 to have more "Ooohm pah Ooohm pah" instead of "Ooohm pah oh pah". I didn't like the sound of this score.
2nd part: here this score really shines.
3rd+4th part: As the first two parts already took me 2 months of learning and I always knew I must relearn those in the future, unsimplyfied. This made me switch to the original score. Took me about 3 weeks more in total to learn. Absolutely worth the time. Not to mention gaining muscle memory with playing octaves and stuff. On one side it is playing above my level, on the other side, it was a great finger exercise and a great hand-jumping exercise. And the best part: this exercise sounds like the Entertainer!

Nice! Thank you for sharing the sheet and details! That's why I like your version, as you said, it captures the essence of the piece. I agree the Alfred version is too simplified (and short). I'm definitely going to give this a try. I need to get better with my left hand jumping around while the RH plays melody. Plus, I don't have much experience with playing octaves in pieces and this could be a nice exercise for that. Thanks again!
Posted By: Talão Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/18/21 12:57 AM
Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
Clementi op. 36, no. 1 is much easier than this and it's fun too. At this level you have a lot of choices. For example, have a look at Diabelli op. 168 or Gurlitt op. 214, or Kuhlau op. 55. You can even start some Mozart Viennese Sonatinas or even some easier Haydn sonatas (Hob. XI:10, Hob. XVI:8).

I greatly appreciate these suggestions. Thank you. I recently watched a Haydn documentary and listened to some of his sonatas afterward (for the very first time). I've become a fan! I'm going to look into XI:10 and XVI:8 as you suggested.
Posted By: Talão Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/18/21 01:15 AM
Originally Posted by QuentinP
Really confident playing, I enjoyed listening to this one. Your hands sounded well-balanced and it had a nice energy. Well done.

Thank you, QuentinP! Hand balance is something I need to get better at. It's always in the back of my mind but I don't always manage to deliver it. I'm happy to hear you liked that aspect of the performance. I started the recording session with confidence (had practiced this a lot), but as the mistakes kept creeping in and I had to play several takes until a decent one came through, that confidence became anger! :-) "I know this! Why am I missing that note! AAAAArrrrrghhhh!" :-) I'm glad it still came through as confidence, though.
Posted By: lilypad Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/18/21 02:05 AM
Thank you to Wie Waldi, Rachtoven (love your forum name), QuentinP and PianogrlNW for taking the time to listen and comment on my piece.

Last but not least... no wait, they for the first group in the recital, I'm greeting and congratulating the first group of performers after listening to some fine performances.

01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky I can tell you had fun playing this. A very stylish performance.

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu Simply gorgeous. It's like you were born to play Chopin.

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545 Wow! To my untrained ears, you conquered all the obstacles you mentioned encountering in this piece. It sounded superb.

04. Sam S - Etude 2 A serenely meditative piece with the perfect visual backdrop. I take it your AT thru hike wasn't like 'A Walk in the Woods'.

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) Thank you for my first introduction to Heller's music. I'm halfway through reading 'A Grand Obsession' where I heard about Grotrian pianos for the first time. I really like the sound of yours.

06. barbaram - Dansul Romanesc Indeed, a fun sounding piece. Going by the title, it's easy to imagine a gypsy dance scene.

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1 I'm a Satie fan, so there's no such thing as hearing this piece too often. I definitely hear the dynamics in your piece and without being the dynamics police, following along with the score, I'd say you did a good job.

08. Peyton - Gnossienne For Stella Very beautiful composition and playing. I'm very glad Stella survived her accident. Furry friends are family.

09. QuasiUnaFantasia - Stimmungsbilder, opus 9 no. 4: Traumerei Dreamy definitely came to mind as I listened to you playing this beautiful composition. Love the woven harmonies.

10. Flygbladet - Tonbilder part 2 "barnmenuett" (Childrens menuett) Beautiful performance. As to piano as fun, I've occasionally thought of just listening to music instead of going through the work of making it. Now I look on it as a (mostly) fun 'brain puzzle' of getting brain and hands to cooperate with each other enough to make some music. I've spent hours on jigsaw puzzles, and while I find them relaxing and satisfying to finish, I feel as if I've wasted the time. Solving the puzzle of making music at the piano makes my brain happy. Some days can be frustrating with no progress or even regress, but even tiny victories feel really good.

11. JJHLH - Feuillet d'Album Op 45, No 1 I've been a Scriabin fan since I heard you play a prelude in recital #62. Very nice!

12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576 Those trills sound terrific! While I admire the skill required to play music from the baroque period on the piano, it just sounds better on a harpsichord.

13. Alpha Terminus - Lotus Land Wow, very nice! It's obvious that your time back at the piano has been well spent.

14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779) Well done. You sounded as if you moved through the piece seamlessly.

15. Serge88 - Boogie Blues Etude Very nice. There's a lot of variety in your improvisation.

Bye for now. Time for a glass of wine and a gardening magazine.
Posted By: PianogrlNW Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/18/21 02:39 AM
More comments -

30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer A jaunty rendition of this popular rag played with aplomb. Great accuracy and steady tempo. Bravo! The sky’s the limit for you.

32. Maira713 - Op. 1 No. 4 ("24 Short and Easy Pieces for Keyboard") Beautifully played. Congratulations!

36. Talao - Sonatina in G Major Anh. 5 (both movements) Very enjoyable performance. You get a nice tone from your piano, have good sense of balance, dynamics and even tempo. I can see you’re moving quickly to more challenging pieces. Congratulations!

37. Purrblast - Sonatina in A minor (Op. 27. No. 18) Solid and musical playing. I think you’re ready to move onto some Chopin, Schumann, or Bach intermediate level pieces.

38. facdo - Impromptu in E flat Major Op.90 No.2 I think this may be the most impressive performance of the recital. You have very relaxed hands which allows you to play quickly and evenly. I don’t have any suggestions to improve it. OK, one small suggestion. Hold onto that RH note in the middle section so that it’s sustained. You play as if you have about 20 years of experience!
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/18/21 06:26 AM
09. QuasiUnaFantasia - Stimmungsbilder, opus 9 no. 4: Traumerei I’m unfamiliar with this beautiful piece. Dreamy indeed - I loved your pace and dynamics.

10. Flygbladet - Tonbilder part 2 "barnmenuett" (Childrens menuett) Lots of variety in this (once again) unfamiliar piece. You made the most of every nuance, so well played! (If you still need a ‘tip on coming back’, just listen to your recording of this piece, it’s inspirational.)

11. JJHLH - Feuillet d'Album Op 45, No 1 Three unknown-to-me pieces in a row. I found this delicate and lovely; your touch was just right.

12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576 Well, you were right about ‘breathtaking trills’. Loved your entire sparkling performance - thank you!

13. Alpha Terminus - Lotus Land Welcome back after a long break! I think this pensive and meditative piece was well-named. You brought out the mood really well - nice!

14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779) Splendid - a clean and clear touch, you have every right to be proud of your performance. I’m looking forward to the next one.

15. Serge88 - Boogie Blues Etude Ah, some swinging blues. Your composition slipped in seamlessly - the tiger and I enjoyed it very much.

16. vte - Vieux Noel in G minor That was a sweet little piece, and a cool choice for a hot day. Well done!
Posted By: AndresVel Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/18/21 08:57 AM
Originally Posted by Wie Waldi
14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779) Mich erstaunt immer wieder, wie sauber Du spielst. Du hast eine perfekte Ton-Seperation. (Gibt's das Wort überhaupt?) Ebenso ist bei dir sowohl das Tempo-halten als auch die Kontrolle über die Lautstärke beeindruckend. Kaum zu glauben, dass Du gerade mal vor einem Jahr mit dem Klavier angefangen hast. Dazu kommt, dass dieses Stück lediglich eines von 40 in diesem Jahr ist. In so kurzer Zeit eine so perfekte Performance - wow. Man merkt sofort, dass Du es mit diesem Hobby ernst meinst und ich bin mir sicher, dass wir noch viele grossartige Stücke von Dir hören werden.
(English translation: thumb)
Danke Wie Waldi für Deine schönen Worte :)) Es freut mich riesig, dass es Dir gefallen hat. Ich investiere schon eine gute Menge Zeit am Tag am Klavier, und es ist immer schön zu erfahren, dass andere meine Aufnahmen auch geniessen. Ich habe ausser meinem Klavierlehrer keine Bekannten oder Freunde, die sich mit Musik beschätigen. Drum lege ich grossen Wert auf die Recitals und auf dieses Forum, auf dem ich mit anderen meine Liebe für Musik teilen kann. Ich denke ich habe mein Lieblingshobby entdeckt laugh Ich danke Dir schon wieder für das schöne Feedback

Originally Posted by PianogrlNW
14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779) Your performance shows skill in even, fluid playing and the ability to bring out the different voices. The tempo could be a bit faster with some varying dynamics, but with only 1 year experience playing you’re way ahead of the curve. I would like to hear you play a piece that has more emotional content, such as some of the shorter, intermediate level pieces by Schumann, Chopin, Debussy, MacDowell.
Thank you very much Ellen for your feedback. I very much appreciate it. It is true that I have not dived yet into romantic music with the exception of some very short pieces from romantic russian composers. I have been working on some pieces by Schumann, which I am still in due to upload. Romantic music is a challenge in itself for what you mention (A bit more emotion and a different expression comes into play) and I am really looking forward to discover it. I very much love baroque and classical compositions. The Bach inventions also usually take me more time than any other piece I have attempted and that is why I tend to see them as the challenge to showcase here in the recitals. I will try to mix it up for the future recitals. Thank you again for your feedback smile

Originally Posted by Talão
14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779)
Very clean and very well controlled. I like it very much. I haven't gotten the courage to try Bach inventions yet. I want to work on a few more "little preludes" first. One goal for my 3rd year that just started is to work on at least one invention.
Hola Talão. Thanks for your comment on my piece. I really appreciate it. I think you will enjoy the challenge of working on an invention. They are very rewarding in my opinion. Looking forward to listen to your first take on one of the set.

Thank you also peterws, lilypad, and MarieJ for your comment on my piece. I am glad you enjoyed it smile
Posted By: AndresVel Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/18/21 09:03 AM
I have also some more comments. Amazing stuff so far

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545 I think you have all the right to feel proud for your performance and your efforts to get the piece to the high level you show us here. It is true that there are things one could improve (I think this is always the case for everyone, does not matter the piece or the skill level), but in general you shared with us a very good recording. Technically, I agree with others who have commented before, I think you are selling yourself short, and you are showcasing good technical control overall. I liked a lot the playfulness of the first mvmt. You used both hands nicely to add dynamics. The only think I noticed was that you rushed some measures, usually those finishing with a trill. I liked the second mvmt a lot, lovely phrasing. The 3rd mvmt was very playful as well. I loved the new mics as well! amazing clarity and color in the sound of your piano. Thank you for sharing. This is very inspiring for me as a beginners around here smile

04. Sam S - Etude 2 Wow, what a journey this was. I really like this piece and you did an outstanding job Sam. It is not the first time I end up very much impressed by Glass' works. The climax towards 2/3 of the piece was very impressive and you did a great job building up momentum. I also enjoyed a lot your video. Beautiful pictures, what a beautiful planet we live in. Thank you very much for sharing smile

13. Alpha Terminus - Lotus Land I loved your submission! I did not know about Cyril Scott. Thank you for introducing me to his music. This was a very interesting piece, I enjoyed it a lot, and you played it beautifully. I liked your use of dynamics, specially in the middle section. How did you know about this piece and composer? I think I will listen to some of his other compositions ... and welcome back to the recitals! smile

23. peterws - Winter I am not familiar with the Children's album from Tchaikovsky, so I do not know how this piece should be played, but I really liked it and I liked your playing a lot. I think you did a great job voicing those chords to highlight the melody all throughout. I really enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing and keep the hard work smile

24. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata K331 1st Movement - Andante grazioso what a lovely playing Ellen! So much musicality. I loved your use of dynamics and the little pauses you introduce here and there. Lovely phrasing. I truly enjoyed it and wished I was able to provide you with some more detailed technical feedback. For me this was flawless. I loved the second half of the movement, around the 6 min mark. I have not yet dived into Mozart sonatas but I think I will listen to them after this recital. I only know single movements here and there and I think I am missing on some amazing music. I do not think I had heard this movement before. Thank you for this wonderful recording.

33. joangolfing - Air Suisse Op. 36 No.5 Good job joangolfing! I think it is very wise to attempt some consistency first before trying to speed up things. I liked how you shaped the phrases and balanced both hands. I would try to play the alberti bass in the B section a bit softer, to let the melody stand out more. I think it is very much worth the time to keep working on it and to try now to speed it up slowly and bring out a bit more the character of the Allegro marking. Very nice job smile

34. Moo smile - Songs without words opus 38 no 3 What a beautiful piece. I am not familiar with Mendelssohn works, so I do not the score, but I think you did a great job. The melody is very clear and both hands remain very fluid all throughout. The only thing I was missing was a bit more dynamic contrast. This might the recording not picking that up (I think you used your cellphone right?). I would try to upgrade the recording setup if possible. Your playing clearly deserves it smile

43. selfishplayer - Keyboard concerto no.7 in g minor BWV - 1058 first movement - Allegro piano solo Very good playing selfishplayer! I think you are on the right track towards polishing this piece and end up with a very good recording of it. There were some hick-ups here and there, perhaps related to the tempo, but I think the general idea is very good. I would love to listen a future version of this piece.

44. Rachtoven - Consolation No. 3 This is such a beautiful piece. I knew it before starting to listen classical music. Once I dived into it and discovered other Liszt works, I could not believe this was also composed by him. I loved your recording. You did a great job with the left hand, keeping it very steady all throughout. The main melody is beautifully shaped. Maybe in a couple of phrases I would have preferred a softer ending, but this is totally your choice of interpretation. I could not spot the mistakes you mention, but I agree with you 100%: I would always go for the recording with the best interpretation in spite of a couple of mistakes than for a mistakes-free recording but without much musicality. Lovely submission :))
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/18/21 04:37 PM
Thank you to those of you who’ve listened to my submission, and to those of you who’ve offered feedback—always welcome. I will soon address some of those comments. But for now, here are the first few comments of my own…

01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky
Cute, playful little piece. And very nicely done!

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu
Welcome to the ABF recitals! And let me congratulate you on your first submission. It takes some courage to put yourself and your work out there, especially when you open yourself up to feedback from others. Judging from your submission, let me first say that you definitely have some pianistic talents and skills, many (if not all) of which you’ve developed on your own without the aid of a teacher. Congratulations on that, as well. But also evident to me from your submission are some technical deficiencies that apparently have not yet been addressed by you or your current teacher. In my humble opinion, Chopin’s Fantaisie-Impromptu is an overreach for you. There are multiple fundamentals which are required for a pianist convincingly to take on a piece of such virtuosic proportions as this, and it appears you haven’t yet mastered those. Mind you, it’s not uncommon for predominantly self-taught pianists to take on beautiful, grand pieces such as this, because…well…they’re beautiful and grand, and who wouldn’t want to play them! Admittedly, I was guilty of this myself before I began taking lessons as an older adult. But in my opinion, it’s the responsibility of a good teacher to guide you to those pieces that are at an appropriate level for you and that can isolate those fundamental technical skills that you lack at any given time, so that you aren’t left flailing around for months and months on a piece that is beyond your reach. If your current teacher is assisting you in your endeavor to learn the Fantaisie-Impromptu, then it is my belief that they’re doing you a disservice, for they’re setting you up for failure—AND overlooking your current need to work on the fundamentals. But I’m not a teacher, and these are just my opinions, so take them for what they’re worth.

04. Sam S - Etude 2
Nice work, Sam. Your playing and your piano sound good. My only suggestion is as follows. This piece is minimalist but still atmospheric, and IMO it requires a more spacious sound. It sounds like you’ve close miked your piano, which is fine—especially if your acoustic setting is not so spacious. But if you do that, then with a piece like this, IMO you need to add some reverb into the mix afterward, or else the result sounds too “in your face”, especially during the less busy portions of the piece.
Posted By: ranjit Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/18/21 05:44 PM
Originally Posted by SMA55
02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu
But also evident to me from your submission are some technical deficiencies that apparently have not yet been addressed by you or your current teacher.
Thanks for your feedback, I appreciate it. Could you let me know what are the technical defects you see? People have been telling me this for months, but I've not been able to figure them out yet, and it's driving me nuts!
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/18/21 08:53 PM
Originally Posted by ranjit
Originally Posted by SMA55
02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu
But also evident to me from your submission are some technical deficiencies that apparently have not yet been addressed by you or your current teacher.
Thanks for your feedback, I appreciate it. Could you let me know what are the technical defects you see? People have been telling me this for months, but I've not been able to figure them out yet, and it's driving me nuts!
Playing the correct notes, in the correct order, at the correct tempo, evenly, with the correct articulation and phrasing, and with appropriate and interesting dynamics. Sound like a lot of generalities? It is! But that’s the kind of work I think you need to do—just like the rest of us. And with a good, live, in-person teacher, if at all possible. (I don’t recommend the deceased ones, as they usually don’t have anything useful to say. Your mileage may vary.)
01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky
Very nice, I followed along in the RCM book. Sounds like you nailed it and the recording sounds great! I need to invest in mics ...

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu Welcome to the recitals! It's impressive that you can play this piece being self taught, nice job! Overall it sounded nice, but some of those fast parts seemed a little muddy.

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545

Beautiful! Very clean, recording sounds great with those new mics.
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/18/21 09:59 PM
21 Calavera

It's a very wistful piece full of memories, of some regrets perhaps and not a little passion. Here is imo a splendid job with great runs and dynamics. I feel you got a bit carried away yourself! Get a grip man! That piano felt that . . .

22 mmathew

You made a good job of this.but lay off the pedal a tad. It seemed to be permanently on!

24 Pianogrlnw.

Did this meself not too long ago.. . .But you stick to the score better than I did. I never tire of hearing this, and it's so much fun to play. Lovely job you made o' this, you felt the slower bits nicely. Some bits could be tidied up a little but . . well done!
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/18/21 10:25 PM
25 Ganddalf

Lovely and so sweetly flowing! Interesting is that you use an acoustic method of recording. If I'm right here, the result is much more realistic.

26 Lilypad

Love it. Probably a new way of playing for you, but most interesting; a bit more complex development of the RH part and you'll be really swinging

27 Jason Lenthe

Never heard it before. But it was very listenable. You made a great job on the dynamics and played it fluently. Nice!

28 rwsavory

I love these shorties from Schumann and Tchaikovsky; they're very entertaining and not too difficult to learn (I'll not use the word "master") this was one from the Op15 that I've not had a go at yet. You made it sound right nice on that piano!

29 bsharp cyclist

Great pace for this, and it flows like it should. Who could not like Mendells stuff? and who could fail to like this?

30 Wie Waldi

Decent job here, steadily played and . . .entertaining! Nice nice! A bit more pfazz, maybe?

I love listening to this, all of it! The variety of stuff is amazing, as are the instruments employed. Grands, uprights, digitals, they're all here!
And sounding GREAT!

See y'all soon . . .have fun.
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/18/21 11:53 PM
Hallelujah!  I'm seeing much less fluff and superficial pats on the back in the comments on these pieces, and much more meaningful and thoughtful feedback. This leads me to want to resume providing feedback myself. So here's my next few comments. (If I offend anyone, let me know, and I'll do my best not to comment on your submissions in the future. Deal?)

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20)
Your “Over Hill and Dale” is markedly uneven in the right hand throughout. I’m afraid you don’t have a handle on the timing of the right hand’s incessant triplets. So your attempting to play the piece even close to the required allegro tempo is premature. My suggestion is obviously to work on those triplets in isolation at a much slower tempo and gradually increase the tempo only when they’re rock solid at the preceding slower tempo. Only once you have that down pat are you allowed to come out of isolation. 😁
Your “Ballet” is much more competently performed. It’s a beautiful piece, and it was a joy to hear you perform it. Good job!

06. barbaram - Dansul Romanesc
You mostly did a fine job with this piece. Given your notes, I know that you know about the occasional timing issues, so I’m confident that there’s no need to point out precisely where those are. Really good work overall!

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1
Nice job learning this piece, Marie. I have three suggestions for taking the piece to the next level. Make the right hand sing above the left. Right now, I feel they’re too equal in volume. My second suggestion is to change up the melody so that the repeating phrases in the right don’t sound the same way each time you play them. This can be accomplished by subtly changing the dynamics and timing of those phrases each time. And third, I suggest that you sculpt the volume of each note in the right hand’s phrases in a logical manner to follow the contours of those phrases. Right now, the notes are mostly all the same volume with only occasional accents in places that I believe are likely haphazard rather than intentional.

08. Peyton -Gnossienne For Stella
Good for you that you put pen to paper and attempted to score your musical ideas. I much prefer this over improvisations that are strictly “flow of consciousness” (otherwise known as “flying by the seat of your pants”), with no attempt to compose with any discipline or form. So congratulations on that! I have two things I would have liked to have heard differently here. I grew tired of the incessant, rapid arpeggios in the left hand. In my opinion, the composition needs to breathe, and this could be accomplished by inserting a bridge in the piece where the left hand is doing something very different from the rapid upward and downward arpeggios. The most simplistic such variation could be done by having the right hand take over the arpeggios, and have the left hand play the melody. But there are nearly an infinite number of other ways this could be done, too. (But who the heck am I to second guess the composer, right? Criticizing me for doing so would be perfectly understandable.) My second suggestion is simply to lower the volume of the right hand. In your recording, it’s overpowering the melody of the right hand, which is screaming for space. Good work overall, Peyton!
Posted By: Peyton Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 12:27 AM
Originally Posted by SMA55
08. Peyton -Gnossienne For Stella
Good for you that you put pen to paper and attempted to score your musical ideas. I much prefer this over improvisations that are strictly “flow of consciousness” (otherwise known as “flying by the seat of your pants”), with no attempt to compose with any discipline or form. So congratulations on that! I have two things I would have liked to have heard differently here. I grew tired of the incessant, rapid arpeggios in the left hand. In my opinion, the composition needs to breathe, and this could be accomplished by inserting a bridge in the piece where the left hand is doing something very different from the rapid upward and downward arpeggios. The most simplistic such variation could be done by having the right hand take over the arpeggios, and have the left hand play the melody. But there are nearly an infinite number of other ways this could be done, too. (But who the heck am I to second guess the composer, right? Criticizing me for doing so would be perfectly understandable.) My second suggestion is simply to lower the volume of the right hand. In your recording, it’s overpowering the melody of the right hand, which is screaming for space. Good work overall, Peyton!

Great feedback! I know what you mean about the arpeggios and just could not seem to come up with any other ideas. After reading your comments may continue try to explore some possibilities. This is, I think, the best piece i have ever written and for a change don't think I will just shelve it and move on. I like your idea about possibly switching left and right hand roles. Did you mean to say "lower the volumn of the right hand" or did you mean the left hand? I agree with what you say about improvisation. For me improvisation should still have structure. I will sit down and improvise for ever but in the end I would not want anyone to hear what I'm saying until I can find some "discipline and form". My favorite improvisers were Bley, Jarret, Corea and Cecil Taylor and I'm convinced that it was a rare day they were out there presenting ideas totally out of the blue. These were ideas they had been exploring and were just running with those ideas, not just playing a "flow of consciousness" by the seat of the pants. Again, thank you, I really appreciate your thoughtful comment.
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 12:38 AM
Originally Posted by Peyton
Originally Posted by SMA55
08. Peyton -Gnossienne For Stella
Good for you that you put pen to paper and attempted to score your musical ideas. I much prefer this over improvisations that are strictly “flow of consciousness” (otherwise known as “flying by the seat of your pants”), with no attempt to compose with any discipline or form. So congratulations on that! I have two things I would have liked to have heard differently here. I grew tired of the incessant, rapid arpeggios in the left hand. In my opinion, the composition needs to breathe, and this could be accomplished by inserting a bridge in the piece where the left hand is doing something very different from the rapid upward and downward arpeggios. The most simplistic such variation could be done by having the right hand take over the arpeggios, and have the left hand play the melody. But there are nearly an infinite number of other ways this could be done, too. (But who the heck am I to second guess the composer, right? Criticizing me for doing so would be perfectly understandable.) My second suggestion is simply to lower the volume of the right hand. In your recording, it’s overpowering the melody of the right hand, which is screaming for space. Good work overall, Peyton!

Great feedback! I know what you mean about the arpeggios and just could not seem to come up with any other ideas. After reading your comments may continue try to explore some possibilities. This is, I think, the best piece i have ever written and for a change don't think I will just shelve it and move on. I like your idea about possibly switching left and right hand roles. Did you mean to say "lower the volumn of the right hand" or did you mean the left hand? I agree with what you say about improvisation. For me improvisation should still have structure. I will sit down and improvise for ever but in the end I would not want anyone to hear what I'm saying until I can find some "discipline and form". My favorite improvisers were Bley, Jarret, Corea and Cecil Taylor and I'm convinced that it was a rare day they were out there presenting ideas totally out of the blue. These were ideas they had been exploring and were just running with those ideas, not just playing a "flow of consciousness" by the seat of the pants. Again, thank you, I really appreciate your thoughtful comment.
Yes, my typo. I meant lowering the volume on the left hand. I’m so glad my feedback was well received, Peyton! Good luck with your continued development of your composition. I hope you’ll let us hear it again as it evolves!
Posted By: tyschoco Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 01:30 AM
Here we go again! Thanks everyone for their effort to putting together these wonderful listen!

27. Jason Lenthe - Nocturne in G Minor Op. 15 No. 3
A very nice take on this nocturne. I like the dynamic contrast you bring out in the different sections of the music. Your touch has a good singing tone in the areas where its more mellow. You show understanding of the changes in mood throughout the piece. The contrast between tranquillo feeling sections and those with more energy made this a good listen. I'll leave critique below:

First of, i am unsure if my critique is due to your playing or the condition of the grand piano you are playing on. It sounds to me that your piano may be voiced a little to bright in quite a few spots, which may be affecting the product we are hearing.
Either way, i think you can definitely shape the melodic line way more. At the moment it does sound a little too dutiful to the metronome. The left hand, either due to a lack of pedal or the piano's condition is a little too detached and overpowering. Certain places such as measure 69 - 76 could use more build up and in general the piece could use more pedal/legato such as in measure 77 to 79. Finally, when the texture becomes thicker in the last section of the piece, the right hand top melody could be voiced out over the texture more. But overall it was a very good effort, i hope this critique helps in some way to elevate your already secure and stable performance!


28. rwsavory - The Poet Speaks - Op 15 "Scenes from Childhood"
I absolutely adore this set of music from Schumann!

Your playing was very expressive and had good shaping. The atmosphere of the piece was brought out very well. A small critique is have is you seem to be taking quite a bit of liberty with the rhythm, especially dotted half notes are not held long enough or rests are skipped over. Schumann's wrote the melody and rhythm in such a way that it is already beautifully expressive and natural, so i think following the score more closely in some way, ironically may provide for more expressive phrasing. On the topic of rests, perhaps lifting the pedal may serve for a better interpretation to give due silence in the music? Either way, enjoyed your playing!

29. bSharp(C)yclist (Dan) - Consolation, Op. 30, No. 3
Ah Mendelssohn, my teacher made me purchase the songs without words when i am eventually good enough to learn it! (still couple of years away, boohoo)

You bring out the mood of this piece very well. I love your awareness for the changes in texture and the corresponding change in mood and dynamics you put into the piece. Your voicing is also pretty good as i can hear the melody quite well over the rest of the textures. I personally think you could actually shape the melody line quite a bit more, giving a feeling of "arriving" at certain points or playing around with tempo rubato a bit given the fact your just about nailed almost every other aspect. Well done!

30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer
I have to say given you are relatively early in the learning journey, this is a very good attempt. Very steady and rather clean. And certainly even if the piece is slightly simplified, it is still no small feat to play it as it is 4 minutes long with quite a few technical difficulties. You should be very proud of your accomplishment. I think as you get better, when you revisit this piece in a year or two, you will be able to put more energy and liveliness into this piece. Great listen!

33. joangolfing - Air Suisse Op. 36 No.5
Sonatina Album Gang! laugh

I like the graceful easy pace you are going and the dynamic contrasts you are putting into the piece. The Melody is balanced well against the left hand. Your ornaments are also rather clean. A nice peaceful ending. I'll leave some critique below

Firstly, while traditionally the 2nd movement in a sonata is supposed to be slower, given the Allegro Moderato notation, i would personally take a slightly faster tempo for this piece. When the Alberti bass section comes in, perhaps a more crisp articulation may serve for a nice change in character? If you have the technical facility, i may even try the broken octaves in the left hand slightly detached. In general, i think with development of your finger work, the piece will come more alive both from a faster tempo and clearer articulation. Beyond that, i think you quite aware on what you need to work based on your post (such as being liberal with the tempo). But a really good attempt, well done!


34. Moo smile - Songs without words opus 38 no 3
Even more Songs without words!

Ok , this is a VERY hard piece and there are so many things to look out for and control when playing this. First of, i like you are able to voice the melody rather clearly, never was i lost when following your melody. I like the little diminished chords where the left hand had to be voiced too. You put good energy into the piece. A great attempt! Will leave some critique below!

I want to reiterate (as you already know) how hard this piece is. First thing is that the middle voice running notes are a tad bit too loud and could be softer and lighter. The melody line could be shaped a bit more with more liberal use of tempo rubato, which may assist in the technical aspect as it gives your system time to rest haha. The tempo in my humble opinion, should be slightly faster as well, which may also facilitate the middle voice's lightness as well. But considering the relative difficulty of this work, i think you produced a rather respectable result given your current skill level and you should be very proud of it.
Posted By: facdo Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 01:42 AM
I am listening to the recital and loving it so far. Thank you all for sharing these wonderful performances and a special thanks to Sam for organizing this, as always. I will take notes and comment some performances on my second listen later on.

For now, I would just like to express my gratitude for the nice comments that were made about my performance. I was feeling a bit frustrated with that piece, having mixed feelings regarding my interpretation and doubting my capability of playing it confidently. Your comments were very reassuring. Thank you very much!

Originally Posted by Wie Waldi
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38. facdo - Impromptu in E flat Major Op.90 No.2 I love to see your fingers running up and down the keyboard with such an ease. And from what I could hear, this was a very impressive interpretation of Schubert. Lot of control over tempo and dynamic. Thanks for sharing.
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Thank you very much! I am really loving Schubert right now. These impromptus are amazing smile

Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
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38. facdo - Impromptu in E flat Major Op.90 No.2
That was very good playing. When you say "some years as a kid" how many years is that? It sounds like you studied piano for a long time to achieve this level of playing.
Thank you! I had about 3 years of lessons as a kid, but I was never very serious about it. I stoped playing the piano and started to play guitar. But I always had a piano in my house and even though I wasn't practicing, I guess I always played a bit from time to time. In May 2018 I decided to commit to it, taking lessons and practicing every day.

Originally Posted by lilypad
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38. facdo - Impromptu in E flat Major Op.90 No.2 I can see why you fell in love with the piece you played. Congratulations on your perseverance. To my ears, you've conquered both technique and musicality in your performance.
Thank you! Oh, but in reality, I am still far from conquering this piece. It feels very challenging to play and I think it is a bit beyond my capabilities. But I will continue to work on it and hopefully, over time I will be more confident to play it.

Originally Posted by QuentinP
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38. facdo - Impromptu in E flat Major Op.90 No.2
This was gorgeous. The long runs were like pearly droplets. Loved it.
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Thank you very much! That "pearly droplet" sound was really the goal smile

Originally Posted by PianogrlNW
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38. facdo - Impromptu in E flat Major Op.90 No.2 I think this may be the most impressive performance of the recital. You have very relaxed hands which allows you to play quickly and evenly. I don’t have any suggestions to improve it. OK, one small suggestion. Hold onto that RH note in the middle section so that it’s sustained. You play as if you have about 20 years of experience!
Oh, that is a very flattering comment. Thank you! But I don't know about that, there were a lot of impressive performances on this recital. In any case, I am really glad that you liked my playing. I think I know what you mean by holding the notes in the middle section and it is something that my teacher said in today's lesson. I will work on that. Thanks for the feedback. BTW, if you count the amount of time I had access to a piano, then 20 years is about right smile
Posted By: Calavera Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 07:51 AM
I listened to the first batch of submissions during my afternoon reading. What a promising start! Here are some quick thoughts. Thank you Sam for being our reliable recital supervisor. Many thanks to the people who commented on my submission.

01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky
This was fun to listen to. I felt like I was in a bar in a Hollywood movie.

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu
Congratulations on this ambitious first recital submission. It doesn't seem super even in the challenging parts, but the overall expression and musicality does a good job of keeping this performance enjoyable.

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545
I don't know the piece well enough to comment on the shortcomings you perceive, but I certainly enjoyed the consistent gait, energy and melody of your performance. Ditto for the more laid-back mood of the slower parts.

04. Sam S - Etude 2
A nice atmospheric étude punctuated by subtle hints of emotion. Great pictures by the way!

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20)
I liked the second piece better. I enjoyed its melody and quaint tone.

06. barbaram - Dansul Romanesc
A really fun piece. It has a distinctly Eastern European feel to it, and a nice lively momentum. Thanks for sharing.

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1
Lovely performance. You bring great control and an enjoyably sensitive touch to this piece.

08. Peyton - Gnossienne For Stella
My initial thought was "I'm not familiar with this Satie work. What a fine little piece!" It turns out this is an original composition. Well done Peyton! I feel like this piece has an air of mystery and longing. I hope your friend can have a happy life despite the accident.

09. QuasiUnaFantasia - Stimmungsbilder, opus 9 no. 4: Traumerei
I don't mind those slow arpeggios. This piece does have a dreamy quality. Nice sedate and evocative sound.

10. Flygbladet - Tonbilder part 2 "barnmenuett" (Childrens menuett)
I think the performance conveys some kind of child-like energy and insouciance. The dramatic change at 1:50 caught me off guard, just like rambunctious chidren suddenly acting out.

I don't know if I can provide any useful tips, but my comeback to the piano has largely been fuelled by my love for specific pieces. It's not the learning itself that motivates me most (though that can be fun too as a by-product), but getting to play pieces that I already enjoy listening to. Perhaps what you need to do is find pieces that really appeal to you and motivate you - the perfect match, as it were. That way, you're not really focussing on learning piano, but just on learning pieces you like.


Originally Posted by AndresVel
21. Calavera - Theme of Love I always enjoy your submissions. Your playing is always so clean and flawless. This one was no exception. I have to agree with you that some sections of the piece, specially at the beginning, do not sound so original. But the piece builds up enormously! I loved the end of the middle section, so much passion, and you mastered it and drew me into the piece. That part sounded very Rachmaninovian haha. I loved your submission. Thank you for sharing smile I am wondering now how do you choose your repertoire. Do you know the pieces from playing the corresponding video game? Or do you listen regularly the full albums?

Thanks for your kind comment AndresVel! As regards your question about my repertoire, my submissions can be divided into three categories:
1) pieces I know from playing games (especially the ones from my teenage years)
2) pieces I discovered because they were composed by the same artists from 1), and I was interested in their other works
3) pieces I discovered because I heard about them (or their composers) from friends or from some internet buzz.

Originally Posted by Wie Waldi
I haven't been at Japanese composers, nor at video-game themes so far. And from what I heard, it is not second to the more known Holywood soundtracks. You opened a door in my musical universe, thank you for that.

Thanks Wie Waldi. Ironically, this piece really isn't the best example, but Japanese composers like Uematsu and Hisaishi are IMHO in no way inferior to your Hans Zimmer, John Williams etc.

Originally Posted by ranjit
21. Calavera - Theme of Love Gorgeous piece! 2:40 is incredible, you've done a great job setting up the climax. Your playing is very appropriate to the style. It seems like you have the big picture planned out quite well. What you could do to improve at this point is focus in on the individual phrases and try to polish them up and see what you want to do with the phrasing to make it more consistent. Really nice work.

Thank you for listening and commenting ranjit. This piece can really be tricky in some parts. Again, love hurts!

Originally Posted by peterws
21 Calavera
It's a very wistful piece full of memories, of some regrets perhaps and not a little passion. Here is imo a splendid job with great runs and dynamics. I feel you got a bit carried away yourself! Get a grip man! That piano felt that . . .

One cannot tame his passion so easily my dear Peter. grin The piano has endured much worse than this, especially on my bad days. He'll live!

I completely agree with your interpretation: I hear wistful feelings and regrets as well.
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 09:04 AM
Originally Posted by barbaram
03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545
(Doom-laden movie trailer voice) “With Mozart, there’s nowhere to hide”

This was a pleasure, sparkling and bright. I especially enjoyed the first movement.

Haha! I can just hear that movie trailer voice. Oh, wait--it was mine! Thank you for your kind words.
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 09:48 AM
Thank you to everyone who listened to my submission, and also thank you to the following people (who I haven't previously thanked) who commented upon it: tyschoco, Talão, vte, MarieJ, QuentinP, peterws, Rachtoven, Wie Waldi, lilypad, bSharp(C)yclist, and Calavera

Here are some additional thank you's and my responses:

Originally Posted by Ido
03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545
Very pleasing tone and phrasing. After listening to several of your recordings I see a consistent pattern of playing very delicately with a singing tone. You play this beautifully.
I think the tempo is not very consistent but it doesn't really detract from the performance.
A specific point to notice is at 0:34 where I think there's some rhythmic error.

The last movement - I'd play it (if only I could:-)) a bit more playfully - less legato, more 'jumpy', if you will.
Yes, I would agree that the third movement was the weakest link in my performance. It needed additional work, which I believe I've managed to address since the time that I submitted the piece 2 1/2 weeks ago. Thanks so much for your feedback!

Originally Posted by ranjit
03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545 I am very impressed. How do you get that crystalline tone? It's something I really struggle with personally, so mad respect for that. The recording quality is also very good, and it does indeed sound very close to an actual piano from my speakers. I might consider those microphones, once I'm earning a steady income that is. I've never listened to the full version of the sonata, so thank you for this recording. A couple of smudges is only human (and I don't care about flubbed notes either way), this sounds near perfect to my ears! I can only suggest some alternative interpretation ideas which come to mind. You could try playing a bit more with dynamics. At 9:23, for the last section, you could probably increase the dynamic contrast, with slightly more prominent crescendos, to create a stronger sense of tension.
Thank you for your feedback and your kind words. How do I get that "crystalline tone"? In large part, simply by playing my Steingraeber! grin Seriously, that and its capacity for producing a nice spectrum of other tone colors is what led me to select it as my piano. Regarding the last section of my performance, please see my note to Ido above.

Originally Posted by AndresVel
03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545 I think you have all the right to feel proud for your performance and your efforts to get the piece to the high level you show us here. It is true that there are things one could improve (I think this is always the case for everyone, does not matter the piece or the skill level), but in general you shared with us a very good recording. Technically, I agree with others who have commented before, I think you are selling yourself short, and you are showcasing good technical control overall. I liked a lot the playfulness of the first mvmt. You used both hands nicely to add dynamics. The only think I noticed was that you rushed some measures, usually those finishing with a trill. I liked the second mvmt a lot, lovely phrasing. The 3rd mvmt was very playful as well. I loved the new mics as well! amazing clarity and color in the sound of your piano. Thank you for sharing. This is very inspiring for me as a beginners around here smile
Thank you for taking the time to listen and for your thoughtful and kind words on my piece. The fact is that while for me, playing Mozart (and Bach, for that matter) is an exercise in humility--for the reasons I mentioned in my notes--I'm mostly happy with my performance. Playing Mozart very well requires machine-like perfection in timing; I'm just realistic enough to know that I will likely never play with that kind of perfection. But that doesn't mean I'm not mostly proud of my performance here. So if it sounds like I was selling myself short in my notes, I guess I wasn't very clear. My intent was mostly to say that I have a lot of respect for those pianists who can play Mozart with apparent perfection, especially in a live setting. Thanks again for your feedback!
Posted By: Rachtoven Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 10:13 AM
Some more comments.

09. QuasiUnaFantasia - Stimmungsbilder, opus 9 no. 4: Traumerei

I had never heard this beautiful piece. Thanks for introducing us to this. Also, you played wonderfully.

10. Flygbladet - Tonbilder part 2 "barnmenuett" (Childrens menuett)

This often sounds very serious—I didn’t expect that from a children’s minuet! I really like how you used a full dynamic range to highlight the emotional extremes of this piece.

11. JJHLH - Feuillet d'Album Op 45, No 1

You played this beautiful piece with such soul. Bravo!

12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576

That harpsichord VST sounds fantastic, as does your playing. I enjoyed this so much. More Handel!

13. Alpha Terminus - Lotus Land

Wow to both the piece and the performance! Very impressive playing.

14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779)

Very clean and well-articulated performance—incredible for the short time you’ve been playing. I enjoyed this, and adding some speed and dynamic contrast will make it even better.

15. Serge88 - Boogie Blues Etude

Well played! I couldn’t tell where the composition ended and the improvisation began (very smooth).

27. Jason Lenthe - Nocturne in G Minor Op. 15 No. 3

Nicely done. You’ve clearly put a lot of work into reflecting the differing character of each section.

28. rwsavory - The Poet Speaks - Op 15 "Scenes from Childhood"

Great playing! I’m especially impressed with how well you captured the spirit of the piece.

29. bSharp(C)yclist (Dan) - Consolation, Op. 30, No. 3

This was a sensitive and enjoyable performance. Excellent playing. One thing to think about. I also thought certain phrase endings sounded slightly too abrupt. Mendelssohn did write pauses in the score, but it sounds like you might be letting off very slightly early. I think it might help to hold the chord just a little longer to shorten the pause and allow more decay in the sound of the chord. I wonder if a softer dynamic level on those phrase endings might also help.

30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer

Quite well done. This is particularly impressive for someone with so little experience.
14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779)

Hi Andres, nice job on the invention! I can try to give some feedback, since I learned this before and played for an exam.

Bars 2 to 3 - I like to imagine the melody in the right hand in bar 2 moving to the left hand in bar 3, so I try to draw out the left hand more in bar 3 vs the right.

Bars 4, 5, 6 - I would gradually reduce the dynamics for each bar. My teacher used the phrase lattice dynamics. Each bar gets progressively softer. Something to experiment with.

Bar 12 - Hold that C in the right hand for the full beat.

Bar 16 - I'd gradually make the left hand a bit louder.

Stuff like that smile This is a piece you'll come back to I think, I do. My previous teacher said that it's always good to be working on a Bach piece!
Posted By: KevinM Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 11:23 AM
Originally Posted by SMA55
Hallelujah!  I'm seeing much less fluff and superficial pats on the back in the comments on these pieces, and much more meaningful and thoughtful feedback. This leads me to want to resume providing feedback myself. So here's my next few comments. (If I offend anyone, let me know, and I'll do my best not to comment on your submissions in the future. Deal?)

I'm good with feedback, but I would prefer you avoided comments like my playing makes you feel seasick. That more just felt like a kick in the teeth rather than constructive feedback.
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 01:00 PM
Originally Posted by KevinM
Originally Posted by SMA55
Hallelujah!  I'm seeing much less fluff and superficial pats on the back in the comments on these pieces, and much more meaningful and thoughtful feedback. This leads me to want to resume providing feedback myself. So here's my next few comments. (If I offend anyone, let me know, and I'll do my best not to comment on your submissions in the future. Deal?)

I'm good with feedback, but I would prefer you avoided comments like my playing makes you feel seasick. That more just felt like a kick in the teeth rather than constructive feedback.
I'm sorry that a comment I made was hurtful to you. That was certainly not my intent! I was attempting to be a little clever and use some humor to paint a colorful picture for you of the effect that playing Mendelssohn's Gondola Song with a syncopated feel had upon me (see my original comment from Recital #60 below to frame it within the full context). Really that's all it was. I personally thought I gave you a few good suggestions for improving your piece, rather than my having any intent to offend you. But you obviously didn't appreciate my attempt at illustrating one of my points with a bit of humor. So, I'll try to be more sensitive in any comments I make to you in the future.
Originally Posted by SMA55
41. KevinM - Songs Without Words 30.6 and 19.4
I much preferred your performance of the second piece, Op 19 No 4 over the first, Op 30 No 6. I think your playing is far enough along that some constructive feedback may be helpful to you. So please note that this is the spirit in which I provide it.

In your Op 30 No 6, note that the piece is written with a time signature of 6/8, and thus should be counted ONE two three FOUR five six, with the main accent on ONE and a lesser accent on FOUR. But instead you happen to be playing the left hand with a syncopated feel, accenting counts four and six. That isn’t what Mendelssohn intended, and it gives your performance of the piece a weird feel. (Feels to me more like being on a gondola during a storm, rather than upon a gentle Venetian channel. Makes me feel almost seasick!) Also, I realize that you say you’re having difficulty with the trills. If so, then leave them out and just play the primary note. After all, they’re just ornaments and should NOT cause you to have to dramatically slow down the tempo for over two measures just so that you can fit them in. That just interrupts what should be a very flowing feel. (Once again, this is a gondola song!) Finally, in measure 36 for the mordant, you’re playing a B sharp-C sharp-B sharp. But this piece is in the key of F sharp minor, and there is no B sharp in this key and there’s no indication of an accidental on the B. So it should be played as a B-C sharp-B.

In contradistinction, I think your Opus 19 No 4 performance was very well done! Congratulations!
Posted By: KevinM Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 01:06 PM
Originally Posted by SMA55
Originally Posted by KevinM
Originally Posted by SMA55
Hallelujah!  I'm seeing much less fluff and superficial pats on the back in the comments on these pieces, and much more meaningful and thoughtful feedback. This leads me to want to resume providing feedback myself. So here's my next few comments. (If I offend anyone, let me know, and I'll do my best not to comment on your submissions in the future. Deal?)

I'm good with feedback, but I would prefer you avoided comments like my playing makes you feel seasick. That more just felt like a kick in the teeth rather than constructive feedback.
I'm sorry that a comment I made was hurtful to you. That was certainly not my intent! I was attempting to be a little clever and use some humor to paint a colorful picture for you of the effect that playing Mendelssohn's Gondola Song with a syncopated feel had upon me (see my original comment from Recital #60 below to frame it within the full context). Really that's all it was. I personally thought I gave you a few good suggestions for improving your piece, rather than my having any intent to offend you. But you obviously didn't appreciate my attempt at illustrating one of my points with a bit of humor. So, I'll try to be more sensitive in any comments I make to you in the future.
Originally Posted by SMA55
41. KevinM - Songs Without Words 30.6 and 19.4
I much preferred your performance of the second piece, Op 19 No 4 over the first, Op 30 No 6. I think your playing is far enough along that some constructive feedback may be helpful to you. So please note that this is the spirit in which I provide it.

In your Op 30 No 6, note that the piece is written with a time signature of 6/8, and thus should be counted ONE two three FOUR five six, with the main accent on ONE and a lesser accent on FOUR. But instead you happen to be playing the left hand with a syncopated feel, accenting counts four and six. That isn’t what Mendelssohn intended, and it gives your performance of the piece a weird feel. (Feels to me more like being on a gondola during a storm, rather than upon a gentle Venetian channel. Makes me feel almost seasick!) Also, I realize that you say you’re having difficulty with the trills. If so, then leave them out and just play the primary note. After all, they’re just ornaments and should NOT cause you to have to dramatically slow down the tempo for over two measures just so that you can fit them in. That just interrupts what should be a very flowing feel. (Once again, this is a gondola song!) Finally, in measure 36 for the mordant, you’re playing a B sharp-C sharp-B sharp. But this piece is in the key of F sharp minor, and there is no B sharp in this key and there’s no indication of an accidental on the B. So it should be played as a B-C sharp-B.

In contradistinction, I think your Opus 19 No 4 performance was very well done! Congratulations!

I thought your valid point was already well made by the time you added the seasick bit.
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 01:28 PM
Originally Posted by KevinM
Originally Posted by SMA55
Originally Posted by KevinM
Originally Posted by SMA55
Hallelujah!  I'm seeing much less fluff and superficial pats on the back in the comments on these pieces, and much more meaningful and thoughtful feedback. This leads me to want to resume providing feedback myself. So here's my next few comments. (If I offend anyone, let me know, and I'll do my best not to comment on your submissions in the future. Deal?)

I'm good with feedback, but I would prefer you avoided comments like my playing makes you feel seasick. That more just felt like a kick in the teeth rather than constructive feedback.
I'm sorry that a comment I made was hurtful to you. That was certainly not my intent! I was attempting to be a little clever and use some humor to paint a colorful picture for you of the effect that playing Mendelssohn's Gondola Song with a syncopated feel had upon me (see my original comment from Recital #60 below to frame it within the full context). Really that's all it was. I personally thought I gave you a few good suggestions for improving your piece, rather than my having any intent to offend you. But you obviously didn't appreciate my attempt at illustrating one of my points with a bit of humor. So, I'll try to be more sensitive in any comments I make to you in the future.
Originally Posted by SMA55
41. KevinM - Songs Without Words 30.6 and 19.4
I much preferred your performance of the second piece, Op 19 No 4 over the first, Op 30 No 6. I think your playing is far enough along that some constructive feedback may be helpful to you. So please note that this is the spirit in which I provide it.

In your Op 30 No 6, note that the piece is written with a time signature of 6/8, and thus should be counted ONE two three FOUR five six, with the main accent on ONE and a lesser accent on FOUR. But instead you happen to be playing the left hand with a syncopated feel, accenting counts four and six. That isn’t what Mendelssohn intended, and it gives your performance of the piece a weird feel. (Feels to me more like being on a gondola during a storm, rather than upon a gentle Venetian channel. Makes me feel almost seasick!) Also, I realize that you say you’re having difficulty with the trills. If so, then leave them out and just play the primary note. After all, they’re just ornaments and should NOT cause you to have to dramatically slow down the tempo for over two measures just so that you can fit them in. That just interrupts what should be a very flowing feel. (Once again, this is a gondola song!) Finally, in measure 36 for the mordant, you’re playing a B sharp-C sharp-B sharp. But this piece is in the key of F sharp minor, and there is no B sharp in this key and there’s no indication of an accidental on the B. So it should be played as a B-C sharp-B.

In contradistinction, I think your Opus 19 No 4 performance was very well done! Congratulations!

I thought your valid point was already well made by the time you added the seasick bit.
Okay. So, in addition to apologizing for my attempt at being funny, I apologize for my verbose writing style, as well. And I assure you that any comments I make upon your future submissions will be much briefer.
Posted By: rwsavory Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 01:40 PM
Thanks for everyone's comments on my version of "The Poet Speaks." Of course, there are many ways to play this short piece. Having listened to several recordings, I gravitate toward Alfred Cortot's interpretation. There is a Youtube video of him giving a master class on it if you are so inclined.
Posted By: Sam S Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 02:17 PM
Originally Posted by SMA55
04. Sam S - Etude 2
Nice work, Sam. Your playing and your piano sound good. My only suggestion is as follows. This piece is minimalist but still atmospheric, and IMO it requires a more spacious sound. It sounds like you’ve close miked your piano, which is fine—especially if your acoustic setting is not so spacious. But if you do that, then with a piece like this, IMO you need to add some reverb into the mix afterward, or else the result sounds too “in your face”, especially during the less busy portions of the piece.

You want to comment on my playing, fine, although I don't like or need criticism - that's what I pay teachers for. I've had enough criticism, judging, and grading for this lifetime already. But I have little interest in producing a perfect recording. I do the best I can with what I have.

Sam
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 02:18 PM
Originally Posted by SMA55
Okay. So, in addition to apologizing for my attempt at being funny, I apologize for my verbose writing style, as well. And I assure you that any comments I make upon your future submissions will be much briefer.

SMA55 your comments are a breath of fresh air. It can be difficult to decide what to write in order not to offend, or more importantly discourage folk from engaging here.
Nor do I wish to discourage Kevin; his work was very good and a most welcome encouragement to others.
Such comments from yourself and the many other highly competant folk here, are only to be welcomed warmly!
And humour oils the works.
Now, I've magically escaped the scythe up to now, but I have this gut feeling . . . . . .
Posted By: Sam S Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 03:02 PM
I've been swamped with demands on my time, so I am a little late to the party. I love what I am hearing as usual - starting from the end to spread the love...

37. Purrblast - Sonatina in A minor (Op. 27. No. 18) Love Kabalevsky! This was great, especially the ending!

38. facdo - Impromptu in E flat Major Op.90 No.2 Wonderful balance between the hands - love that quiet left hand. Your hard work has really paid off!

39. Snejana - Contemplation Very cool! I have been taking John Mortensen's improv class online. I can't do what you are doing - at least not yet. Maybe someday. Loved it!

40. PikaPianist - Waltz Op. 39, No. 9 Very professional, as always! I like it perky!

41. Augustina - Expression Thanks for playing this - I have never heard of her. Sounds very interesting. Welcome back to the recitals!

42. Amy H - Story of You Yes, I need to look into FFrench. I feel like his music should be Ff, but it's not! Well played, those jazzy melodies must be tough to count.

43. selfishplayer - Keyboard concerto no.7 in g minor BWV - 1058 first movement - Allegro piano solo Interesting video - the view from the bench! I could almost track where your eyes were looking. Nice playing too. Tempo was a little up and down - I thought I heard you slow down for the hard parts. Well done!

44. Rachtoven - Consolation No. 3 Tough piece! Wonderful balance between the hands - I can hear the melody clearly. At first I thought the tempo was too slow, but it sounded good after more exposure. I know it is tough fitting everything together - you did a great job. Only occasionally it felt a little like I could hear you counting. Wonderful decrescendo at the end.

45. tyschoco - Sonatina in G Major, Op 55 No.2 1st Movement, Allegretto Very much in the style - nice runs - very smooth. Your Alberti bass is smooth. Maybe just a bit of crescendo or decrescendo on the scales as an experiment. Loved it!

46. Pathbreaker - Alte Liebe A little more info would be helpful. Program notes. Is this a Brahms song transcribed by Reger? Just guessing. But you played it very well - nice voicing and crescendo to the climax. Well done!

Sam
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 03:31 PM
Originally Posted by peterws
Originally Posted by SMA55
Okay. So, in addition to apologizing for my attempt at being funny, I apologize for my verbose writing style, as well. And I assure you that any comments I make upon your future submissions will be much briefer.

SMA55 your comments are a breath of fresh air. It can be difficult to decide what to write in order not to offend, or more importantly discourage folk from engaging here.
Nor do I wish to discourage Kevin; his work was very good and a most welcome encouragement to others.
Such comments from yourself and the many other highly competant folk here, are only to be welcomed warmly!
And humour oils the works.
Now, I've magically escaped the scythe up to now, but I have this gut feeling . . . . . .

Haha! Well, your words of encouragement not withstanding, the fact that you view my feedback as a “scythe” says something, right? 😁 But thank you nonetheless for your supportive comments.
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 04:54 PM
Originally Posted by SMA55
Originally Posted by peterws
Originally Posted by SMA55
Okay. So, in addition to apologizing for my attempt at being funny, I apologize for my verbose writing style, as well. And I assure you that any comments I make upon your future submissions will be much briefer.

SMA55 your comments are a breath of fresh air. It can be difficult to decide what to write in order not to offend, or more importantly discourage folk from engaging here.
Nor do I wish to discourage Kevin; his work was very good and a most welcome encouragement to others.
Such comments from yourself and the many other highly competant folk here, are only to be welcomed warmly!
And humour oils the works.
Now, I've magically escaped the scythe up to now, but I have this gut feeling . . . . . .

Haha! Well, your words of encouragement not withstanding, the fact that you view my feedback as a “scythe” says something, right? 😁 But thank you nonetheless for your supportive comments.

Hey! There are others wielding those scythes this session! It kinda makes it exciting even if the truth hurts a little . . . . . now don't you go getting upset over my comments . . .
Maybe we should sanction verbal disciplinaries . . .light, med, severe!
Not forgetting the humour . . .
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by peterws
Originally Posted by SMA55
Originally Posted by peterws
Originally Posted by SMA55
Okay. So, in addition to apologizing for my attempt at being funny, I apologize for my verbose writing style, as well. And I assure you that any comments I make upon your future submissions will be much briefer.

SMA55 your comments are a breath of fresh air. It can be difficult to decide what to write in order not to offend, or more importantly discourage folk from engaging here.
Nor do I wish to discourage Kevin; his work was very good and a most welcome encouragement to others.
Such comments from yourself and the many other highly competant folk here, are only to be welcomed warmly!
And humour oils the works.
Now, I've magically escaped the scythe up to now, but I have this gut feeling . . . . . .

Haha! Well, your words of encouragement not withstanding, the fact that you view my feedback as a “scythe” says something, right? 😁 But thank you nonetheless for your supportive comments.

Hey! There are others wielding those scythes this session! It kinda makes it exciting even if the truth hurts a little . . . . . now don't you go getting upset over my comments . . .
Maybe we should sanction verbal disciplinaries . . .light, med, severe!
Not forgetting the humour . . .
Your humorous comments are always appreciated, Peter. At least by me. Of course I can't speak for some of the more sensitive/defensive souls out there. I honestly wasn't offended in the slightest by your "scythe" comment. I was merely needling you back just a bit.

I know that the subject of genuine, from the heart, reviews on people's performances has come up on these recital discussion threads numerous times in the past. There are some out there who truly want to improve their piano playing and are open to hearing both "the good and the bad", in terms of people's impressions. Then there are others who only want to hear opinions that support their own view that they're already doing everything just fine and dandy. And then there are still others who feel that only a highly trained and certified piano teacher is qualified to offer an opinion on music--unless that non-certified person's opinion is going to be a positive one, in which case it would be a valid one. You can't please everyone. So, I think I'm going to revert to my previous stance of not publicly commenting anymore. It will certainly be less trouble for me to just listen to these recitals and then only discuss any opinions I have behind the scenes with those who are interested in a more honest and free exchange of ideas--even ones involving a grim reaper and his scythe. wink
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 06:54 PM
31 Winterflower

Your piano sounded like a good oldie should. I liked the interaction of melody LH and RH but think it'd be of benefit to write down your compo a few bars at a time, and progress the song in that fashion to give a more structured feel.
Well done!

32 Maira 713

Nicely played, Maira! Sounded super!

33 Joangolfing

It sounds like perhaps it should be played faster, but you managed well enough at the slower tempo, and it sounded nicely done

34 Moo

You were busy here! No rest for those fingers either. Now I'm not qualified to comment further, but much of this was highly impressive.

35 KevinM

Gently does it, Kev. Nice job. However, a bit too gentle. Now, get that metronome out o' yer head and give 'er more light and shade, let it rock a bit and then she'll be real good!

36 Talao

You played this like, note perfect as far as I can tell. You're well ready to take it to new heights! Dig into those notes! Let the piano know who is the Master around here . . .
The Piano sounded so clear .

37 Purrblast

This was a likeable piece with wonderful; intricacies. I reckon you too, can rest assured your playing is accurate, but could do with ramping up a tad now! It's the right time to go for it . . .

38 Facdo

I can only wish for such dexterity; it'll never happen for me. Such a lively piece! You grabbed that dang piano by the scruff and made it talk!
Posted By: Sam S Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 07:09 PM
Originally Posted by SMA55
I know that the subject of genuine, from the heart, reviews on people's performances has come up on these recital discussion threads numerous times in the past. There are some out there who truly want to improve their piano playing and are open to hearing both "the good and the bad", in terms of people's impressions. Then there are others who only want to hear opinions that support their own view that they're already doing everything just fine and dandy. And then there are still others who feel that only a highly trained and certified piano teacher is qualified to offer an opinion on music--unless that non-certified person's opinion is going to be a positive one, in which case it would be a valid one. You can't please everyone. So, I think I'm going to revert to my previous stance of not publicly commenting anymore. It will certainly be less trouble for me to just listen to these recitals and then only discuss any opinions I have behind the scenes with those who are interested in a more honest and free exchange of ideas--even ones involving a grim reaper and his scythe. wink

Even your comment about comments is borderline insulting. What's wrong with being supportive and polite? Part of this is my fault, for screwing up the feedback question this time. I pledge to get it fixed before the next recital. In the past people have ignored the question or been confused by it - maybe it needs to be clarified on the form - and then I can remind people to pay attention to it when submitting and when commenting. The last thing we need is to scare people away from the recitals because they received negative comments. Or to cause someone to give up on piano because they thought they were doing well, but got a bunch of negative comments. Or to look at a recital thread, see a string of negative comments, hurt feelings, and bickering, and decide the recitals are not for them.

For this recital, if you want to be critical, know who you are talking to and if your comments are welcome. Always a good policy, whether in person or online.

Sam
Posted By: Qwerty53 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 07:10 PM
A start on what I hope will be a complete set of comments and appreciations:

01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky What a fun piece, played with great panache!

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu Your commitment to this piece delivers on its passion. I hope you keep at it, and consider sharing an updated version at a future ABF recital.

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545 You may be too hard on people like you and me who, lacking the expert skills of a professional, nevertheless enjoy playing a bit of Mozart. Of course there is always more that might be revealed. Nevertheless your appreciation of the music comes through in this performance.

04. Sam S - Etude 2 What a combination! The images of your hike together with the heartbeat of the Glass score were very compelling. Now I can’t decide whether I want to hike the AT or learn the Glass Etude; either would be a significant challenge, and I admire how you have done both and shared them here with us.

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) These, and especially the Ballet, make me want to hear more Heller.

06. barbaram - Dansul Romanesc Such a lively piece, by a composer new to me; good choice, played with verve!

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1 Beautiful! Wonder what Satie and Glass would say to one another, if they found themselves together in a room with two pianos?
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 07:11 PM
39 Snejana

Interesting ideas here. Perhaps you too, could write some of this down and then follow the score. It would help to improve the flow. This is just my thoughts, but the all-encompssing importance is the joy it brought you to hit those notes, the harmonies, the interaction. I fully understand that!
I have tried to do this myself, and some of the stuff I play is almost impossible to write down!

40 PikaPianist

No comments.

Great stuff again! Just a few more. Tomorrow!
Posted By: KevinM Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by peterws
35 KevinM
Gently does it, Kev. Nice job. However, a bit too gentle. Now, get that metronome out o' yer head and give 'er more light and shade, let it rock a bit and then she'll be real good!

I think this is entirely fair. My original submission was livelier and quite a bit faster. But it also suffered the same problem as this version that the support is too loud. In this version that support I felt was reasonably pleasant on the ear even while being too loud, but in the faster livelier version, I don't think I could describe it any other way than a mess of notes and that grated on me, but I do miss that spark.

So I've decided I will submit a new version for the Mendelssohn themed recital next year and hopefully I can do myself proud then.
42. Amy H - Story of You Amy I loved the sound of your piece, "Story of You". I took your advice and ordered Alexis Ffrench's Sheet Music Collection. You play with such ease and mastery of this piece. I hope to find a new composer to study. Thanks for being part of this recital. I'm inspired by you and everyone else in Recital #63.
Posted By: facdo Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 08:04 PM
Here's my first batch of comments:


01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky
Very nice playing. Didn’t know the piece or the composer but I like this jazzy style. Your performance made me want to listen to some more of this style. The only issue with your playing was that the piece was so short. I really wanted to keep listening smile

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu
Wow, that was a very impressive performance. It is amazing that you are mostly self-taught, as I would assume that it is very difficult to reach this technical level and the musical maturity that you displayed on your performance without proper guidance. Amazing work! I particularly liked the middle section. I think you played it very tenderly and with tasteful use of rubato and dynamics.

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545
I love the second movement of this sonata and I am really glad that you play the entire piece, instead of just the more popular 1st movement. I loved your playing! Very clean and enjoyable performance.

04. Sam S - Etude 2
Oh, this was very interesting. I never listened to Philip Glass and although that was a familiar name I had no idea what his music was all about. I can se the “mantra” and “meditative” quality of this music, but it reminded me the soundtrack of the Quatsi trilogy, a set of movies that I really love. I could just see the scenes and images of that trilogy passing by on my mind while I listened to your performance. Thanks for that nostalgia, I really enjoyed listening.

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20)
I love this collection of etudes and the No.20, Ballet, might just be my absolute favorite. It is nice that you are sharing these pieces on the recitals. I really liked your performance of the No.20, but the 24 I guess there is still a bit of work to improve the evenness of those arpeggios. In any case, I love that you are picking these etudes for the recitals. Thanks for sharing smile

06. barbaram - Dansul Romanesc
That is a really cool piece I didn’t know. Lovely playing and thanks for introducing me to the composer and to this piece.

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1
Wow, that is a very nice performance of this piece. I really liked your dynamic control and the overall more delicate touch. You are right about this piece being overplayed, but it is quite rare to hear such a nice performance. So, thanks for sharing it smile

08. Peyton - Gnossienne For Stella
Oh, that is a really beautiful piece. Amazing work! It is nice to hear is right after a Satie Gnossienne, as I can see the inspiration on his style. And my best wishes to Stella, I hope she gets to recover quickly from the accident.

09. QuasiUnaFantasia - Stimmungsbilder, opus 9 no. 4: Traumerei
This is indeed dreamy. Lovely piece and lovely playing. I was completely oblivious to Strauss’s piano works, so thanks for sharing it.

10. Flygbladet - Tonbilder part 2 "barnmenuett" (Childrens menuett)
I think this is the first time I hearing about this composer, so thanks for making me discover new pieces. I really liked the music and your playing. Very well phrased and with a nice dynamic contrast. It seems fun to play, although, a bit difficult (for me at least). I don’t know what you could do to refine even more your interpretation. It seems to be already in a high level, so well done!

11. JJHLH - Feuillet d'Album Op 45, No 1
I am not a big fan of Scriabin, but this piece is really beautiful and I think it evokes a “tender sorrow”. I think you captured the essence of that piece really well and I really enjoyed listening. So much that I had to listen twice in a row.

12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576
Your playing is superb, and the quality of the recording is really good. But to be honest, I think the harpsichord is among the most annoying instruments ever made. The fact that I enjoyed listening proves that this was a really good performance. I would love to hear it in a piano. I know the pianoforte was not invented at that time, but I wonder if Handel had access to a modern piano if he would choose to compose to the harpsichord again.
Posted By: Qwerty53 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 09:35 PM
A second installment --

08. Peyton – Gnossienne For Stella What a treat! My little cat also liked it. My big cat would too, if he weren’t deaf. Hope your Stella recovers well. Keep playing, keep composing!

09. QuasiUnaFantasia - Stimmungsbilder, opus 9 no. 4: Traumerei Yes, so dreamy and lovely! Beautiful playing.

10. Flygbladet - Tonbilder part 2 "barnmenuett" (Childrens menuett) I listened before I read your description, and I too found myself thinking “where are the children in this piece? It sounds rather ominous, in fact!” But very well played indeed. Perhaps a change of material to something unfamiliar would refresh your interest: blues? jazz? ragtime? Something fun and NOT ominous might be your remedy!

11. JJHLH - Feuillet d'Album Op 45, No 1 Beautiful! There is something in these somewhat stripped-down, elegant pieces (this, Glass, etc.) that speaks to my mood today. And I need one of those chefs to step from your video to my kitchen: the music would go well with a tiny perfect amuse-bouche or dessert. Or maybe three. Very nice art.

12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576 Very grand sound, and beautifully played.

13. Alpha Terminus - Lotus Land I want to go see the movie that this conjures in my head, or maybe it’s a bar that I want to visit. A piano bar. Beautiful sound. Very moody.

14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779) Well done! Near the end, it seemed that your command of the music became stronger and more confident; surprising, because so often it’s the beginning we have practiced the most, and the later part of a piece that threatens to fall apart. I had the feeling that the more you played, the more the music warmed up and came together.

15. Serge88 - Boogie Blues Etude Love this! Glad to see that the cool-cat tiger is back.
Posted By: lilypad Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 09:35 PM
Originally Posted by peterws
26 Lilypad

Love it. Probably a new way of playing for you, but most interesting; a bit more complex development of the RH part and you'll be really swinging

Thank you for the helpful feedback. When I finally got a mostly mistake free recording, I felt as if it was missing something, but couldn't figure out what. Well, actually I did look over the score and discovered some RH articulations that I hadn't paid attention too. You're right about the new way of playing. Although I play almost exclusively non-classical, I'd never done walking bass and admire the style. Learning the LH walking bass part was so intense for me and so much fun, that I just let my RH go along for the ride without further developing it.
Posted By: PianogrlNW Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 09:54 PM
I don’t think any of the commenters providing constructive comments are being mean-spirited or have any ill intent. I’m including myself in this group, along with other long-term as well as some newer members. Practically all of these commenters strike a balance between complimentary remarks and suggestions for improvement. I also think commenters take into account the different levels of experience so as not to make harsh comments to people starting their piano adventure.

After reading some of the posts from earlier today, I feel reluctant to give any more comments on people’s recital submissions for fear of offending anyone. I personally welcome pointers on how to make my pieces more musical, but realize not everyone feels the same way.

Once the recital software has been straightened out it will be clearer whose pieces not to comment on. Maybe it would be helpful for everyone to have a few options to choose from so that people have the option of getting positive comments only, instead of no comments at all.
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 10:03 PM
Originally Posted by KevinM
Originally Posted by peterws
35 KevinM
Gently does it, Kev. Nice job. However, a bit too gentle. Now, get that metronome out o' yer head and give 'er more light and shade, let it rock a bit and then she'll be real good!

I think this is entirely fair. My original submission was livelier and quite a bit faster. But it also suffered the same problem as this version that the support is too loud. In this version that support I felt was reasonably pleasant on the ear even while being too loud, but in the faster livelier version, I don't think I could describe it any other way than a mess of notes and that grated on me, but I do miss that spark.

So I've decided I will submit a new version for the Mendelssohn themed recital next year and hopefully I can do myself proud then.

And you have all the skills to do it. I couldn't play now what you played. Not sure if I ever could, properly.
Posted By: Peyton Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 11:08 PM
3. SMA55- Pretty friggin awesome my friend. What to say, Just great playing. (I know you would love to hear some "real" constructive criticism but frankly I just don't know enough to feel confident giving it.) But I really enjoyed listening. Those mics were well worth the investment. BTW, whey did you turn off your comments on the youtube vid? I always like to give a thumbs up and nice comment.
Posted By: Moo :) Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 11:08 PM
Thank you for the feedbacks. I normally only comment on the mendelssohn pieces but see now most people do not want the feedbacks so have not done so this time. I only came to mention that Kevin 35 I think your current speed I think is at an ideal speed and indeed it is the speed of most professional performances on youtube. I think it needs rubato as you suggested in your own feedback rather than speeding up. I have found a professional recording at a slower tempo to yours with rubato but it should give you some ideas.

Posted By: Rachtoven Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 11:26 PM
Thanks to Wie Waldi, lilypad, QuentinP, AndresVel, and Sam S for their comments on my performance

Originally Posted by AndresVel
44. Rachtoven - Consolation No. 3 This is such a beautiful piece. I knew it before starting to listen classical music. Once I dived into it and discovered other Liszt works, I could not believe this was also composed by him. I loved your recording. You did a great job with the left hand, keeping it very steady all throughout. The main melody is beautifully shaped. Maybe in a couple of phrases I would have preferred a softer ending, but this is totally your choice of interpretation. I could not spot the mistakes you mention, but I agree with you 100%: I would always go for the recording with the best interpretation in spite of a couple of mistakes than for a mistakes-free recording but without much musicality. Lovely submission :))

Thanks for the idea about using softer phrase endings. I'll consider doing that in appropriate places. I'm always considering refinements to my interpretation of this piece.

Originally Posted by Sam S
44. Rachtoven - Consolation No. 3 Tough piece! Wonderful balance between the hands - I can hear the melody clearly. At first I thought the tempo was too slow, but it sounded good after more exposure. I know it is tough fitting everything together - you did a great job. Only occasionally it felt a little like I could hear you counting. Wonderful decrescendo at the end.

Thanks. I like the tempo I'm playing at, but I also like faster performances, like Horowitz's.
I often speed things up when practicing but have to admit that in the softer passages, the left hand leaps in a faster tempo sometimes lead to inadvertent accents in the bass note or the left hand accompaniment. I need better technique to pull a faster tempo off well.
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/19/21 11:48 PM
Thank you to facdo and Qwerty53 for your feedback on my performance! And...

Originally Posted by Peyton
3. SMA55- Pretty friggin awesome my friend. What to say, Just great playing. (I know you would love to hear some "real" constructive criticism but frankly I just don't know enough to feel confident giving it.) But I really enjoyed listening. Those mics were well worth the investment. BTW, whey did you turn off your comments on the youtube vid? I always like to give a thumbs up and nice comment.
Thanks so much for your kind words, Peyton. But for future reference, I'm just as good at taking constructive feedback, as I am at dishing it out. So when you have something constructive to say, please have at it. I'm here to learn, too! And thank you for calling it to my attention that my YouTube video had the comments turned off--kind of like the recital this time. wink But I believe the problem with comments on my video has now been corrected.
Posted By: QuentinP Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 01:10 AM
Originally Posted by Sam S
Even your comment about comments is borderline insulting. What's wrong with being supportive and polite? ... The last thing we need is to scare people away from the recitals because they received negative comments. Or to cause someone to give up on piano because they thought they were doing well, but got a bunch of negative comments. Or to look at a recital thread, see a string of negative comments, hurt feelings, and bickering, and decide the recitals are not for them.

Thank you for adding this Sam. Whether intended or not, some of this recent discussion about comments comes across as pompous and sneering.

As a newcomer to the recitals, I definitely find these discussions off-putting and tiresome. I’m sure much of it is garden variety misunderstandings of tone, and I agree that the majority of posters have no malignant intent, but I would hate to think that someone might be discouraged by a random internet person’s remarks, or for them to assume that all authoritative technical advice is necessarily even correct, let alone helpful (however well-meaning). A little consideration when both giving and receiving goes a long way.

With regard to the remarks made in the discussion, taking umbrage at someone not liking the comment you made seems ironic and slightly ridiculous. And similarly, conflating 'positive' with 'meaningless' is bizarre. But maybe that’s just me.

Perhaps we can create a separate thread titled “The best way to critique” and watch the blood-bath unfold over there? grin

PS Thank you to ranjit and peterws for your comments - much appreciated!
Posted By: tyschoco Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 01:28 AM
These are some great listens

35. KevinM - Songs Without Words Opus 19 No. 1
Completing the trio of Songs without words submissions!
I have to say, despite what you wrote in your recital submission. I really think this was a very very good attempt. It was very clean and so tranquil in its execution. If you did not mention difficulties in your post, i would not have been able to discern it. With regards to what you mentioned about tempo, i think this is a really respectable tempo for your skill level and you delivered it well. With further development, you could revisit this piece and play it at your desired tempo (which i assume is quarter note 85 ish?)
The only critique is really have is that more attention should be given to the shaping of the line. There are some very interesting moments in the piece where the harmony is unexpected, with accidentals in the melodic line that you can draw attention to, perhaps what you termed as a lack of convincing tempo rubato? I also feel instead of thinking of the middle voice being too soft, you could also have a deeper rounder touch to the melody line as i feel its a tad timid at the moment. (But this could be a limit of the digital instrument you are using? idk) But honestly, it was a really nice listen. Hopefully when i eventually learn this, it will be as good as yours!

36. Talao - Sonatina in G Major Anh. 5 (both movements)
For your first ever sonatina, this was really good. Nice and clean and steady. I can tell you your little mess ups do not intrude on the listeners enjoyment of the piece. Your effort in the phrasing and dynamics are coming through as well. You chose an interesting articulation for the left hand accompaniment in the second movement too. A very nice alternative take on it. Your touch is light and your piano is well voiced which lends to the character of the piece.
If there's any critique to be had, there are some places where the left hand takes on a melodic motif that could be brought out more to provide a bit of conversation between the hands. Ornaments can be a tad bit more graceful to maintain the character of the piece. Another small tip that i found helpful is in the arppegiated chords towards the end of the piece (or in any place where you want a little more sound), you can choose to press down on the right pedal after you play the notes to allow a little bit more resonance to cut through, then lift with pedal along with your fingers. Other than that, perhaps a more pronounced sense of direction would serve the music better. But most of these are musical details which will come as you become more developed over time, because i think this was a splendid take given where you currently are at, well done.

37. Purrblast - Sonatina in A minor (Op. 27. No. 18)
Really good! You pay due attention to the rhythm and you understand the character of this little piece quite well. Left hand accompaniment is given good attention too, not too loud and maintaining the correct articulation. I am not sure if its the limitation of the digital instrument, but perhaps a little more energy where its notated Mf to give more contrast to the piece. Good Job! laugh

38. facdo - Impromptu in E flat Major Op.90 No.2
This is a very good take on this piece. You definitely have shaping ideas coming through and your fingerwork is rather clean throughout the piece. If there are any small flubs, it's probably due to the stamina required to play this. Your touch is nice and light in the right hand and everything flows like water. You maintain the voicing quite well throughout the piece except the middle section where i lose track of the voicing a little. You tastefully use tempo rubato to a good effect here. If there is anything to criticize, i think you are already aware of most of what you need to work on, I think you mostly need to bring out even more of the musical details in the score and eventually work your way to the performance tempo, if that's your taste (around 200 per quarter note beat ish? you are hovering around 176 atm) as you continue developing. Thanks for the great listen!

40. PikaPianist - Waltz Op. 39, No. 9
For the first time in the recitals i have a hard time finding anything to criticize. You sold me on your interpretation. Your phrasing is clear, your shaping is fantastic and your dynamic and color changes are delivered sooooo convincingly. Musical details are followed throughout the sheet music in a natural organic manner and your voicing in certain places is done impeccably. In my humble opinion, despite the fact this piece is on the easier side on the submissions done in this recital, it is the best playing i have heard so far. I want to hear so much more from you in the future and you inspire me to up my game too laugh
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 01:36 AM
04. Sam S - Etude 2
I enjoyed this Sam. For me, Glass's music has a hypnotically ominous quality and you bring it out in abundance. He has certainly shown the world the power of repeated cells. It seems so simple and easy but when I have tried to improvise in that way I have failed to evoke the effect, not that imitation is necessarily desirable of course. And thanks again for your tireless work with these recitals.

08. Peyton - Gnossienne For Stella
Sincerely expressed and eloquent playing. Composed or improvised doesn't matter, it's the sound that counts.

31. winterflower - I soar now the embers have cooled
Very enjoyable, I am pleased to hear your improvisation is developing well, free improvisation IS a valid musical medium. Keep doing it regularly, do plenty of listening to other music and never be afraid to experiment with new harmony, technique and rhythm after your own fashion. It takes a long time but the results will reward you in the future.

Thanks to all who have commented on my music. A couple have said they found this one difficult to listen to. I suspect, but don't know, that it might be because I consciously played in two keys at once in several sections. It's something you acquire a taste for, you know, like blue cheese. C#m in the left against Em in the right gives a nice blues effect to my ears but perhaps I'm just getting old and potty. I do not intend anything to be listened to in any particular way and certainly harbour no communicative intent while playing. I just let it all hang out and hope for the best. About half of listeners like it and half don't, which fact neither interests nor concerns me.
Posted By: Calavera Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 06:34 AM
Originally Posted by QuentinP
[...] I would hate to think that someone might be discouraged by a random internet person’s remarks, or for them to assume that all authoritative technical advice is necessarily even correct, let alone helpful (however well-meaning). A little consideration when both giving and receiving goes a long way.

I'm with Quentin (and Sam) on this one.

For the most part, we're just internet strangers and whatever feedback is provided (including positive remarks, mind you) needs to be taken with the proverbial pinch of salt. In this particular context, harsh criticism is unnecessary at best, and unseemly at worst. Critical observations can be useful and relevant, but there is such a thing as a happy medium.

People who want thorough feedback are better off paying a teacher for that purpose. Your teacher can (presumably) give reliable feedback that is worth the pain of hearing harsh criticism. Furthermore, one of the tenets of teaching is arguably to praise loud and fix soft. The latter is much more difficult to do when you're commenting on a public forum than when you're teaching someone in a private session.

According to Sam's ABF surveys, some people refrain from taking part in the recitals because their level is supposedly 'not high enough'. It'd be a real shame to give them any more reason to miss out on the recitals.
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 06:45 AM
I can see this subforum ending now. The arguments are too protracted; a few are miffed about getting techinical feedback, which they sign up for usually.
Have you seen the feedback? It's involved; there's a load of work gone into this and its been rammed back down their throats.
Who can salvage this mess? I hope someone can. And soon.
Originally Posted by peterws
Who can salvage this mess? I hope someone can. And soon.

How about just keeping going the way we have done for years and years. I think inertia will save the day. My comments (their old terse usual self) will be going up this weekend.
Posted By: KevinM Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 08:11 AM
My response which I wanted to avoid writing, but somehow allowed myself to be drawn in was swallowed by the web form. The following is a summary.

If we want serious critical commentary then to me it essentially it comes down to this, with a small number of people giving critical commentary and most just being receivers. Then we need to also allow for a dialog from the receivers when they feel the line of appropriate response was overstepped and that needs to be listened to by the critical commenters. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings in my opinion does not cut it.

If we can't manage that, then I don't think we can do serious critical commentary.
Posted By: KevinM Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 08:24 AM
Originally Posted by Moo :)
Thank you for the feedbacks. I normally only comment on the mendelssohn pieces but see now most people do not want the feedbacks so have not done so this time. I only came to mention that Kevin 35 I think your current speed I think is at an ideal speed and indeed it is the speed of most professional performances on youtube. I think it needs rubato as you suggested in your own feedback rather than speeding up. I have found a professional recording at a slower tempo to yours with rubato but it should give you some ideas.

Vadim's recording of 19.1

Thank you Moo.

The Vadim is one of my favourites, along with Roberto Prosseda's recording for listening to. But I'm not convinced they are good examples for me since their skill level is just so high.

This recording by an amateur is the one I've been listening to, to try and understand how the phrasing, rubato is used to produce the final result. I think the support is a bit too loud, but the way the tempo and dynamics vary I think is spot on to give colour.
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 08:43 AM
Originally Posted by peterws
Who can salvage this mess? I hope someone can. And soon.

I don't think it is as bad as that Peter. This little blip is very mild compared to some incidents I have seen on the two piano forums over the last twenty years. We all love our music, just in individual ways, which is as it should be and we are by definition adults. She'll be right mate.
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 09:49 AM
Originally Posted by Ted
Originally Posted by peterws
Who can salvage this mess? I hope someone can. And soon.

I don't think it is as bad as that Peter. This little blip is very mild compared to some incidents I have seen on the two piano forums over the last twenty years. We all love our music, just in individual ways, which is as it should be and we are by definition adults. She'll be right mate.

Y'know Ted; the thing about being a pessimist is that . . .things can only get better . . .
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 09:56 AM
Originally Posted by KevinM
."I'm sorry I hurt your feelings" in my opinion does not cut it.

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Kev, an apology has to be enough. We cannot walk around, afraid to tread on eggshells. We're only human, after all.
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 10:17 AM
30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer
Oops, I forgot to comment on this one. Speaking as one who has had a lifetime infatuation with ragtime I think you instinctively have the spirit and rhythm of it, which is the one thing many players who attempt it lack, so you have a distinct advantage. All you have to do is gradually work your way through rags of increasing technical difficulty, taking care to bring out the music and dodge the ninety miles an hour trap, regrettably fashionable again in some circles. More fine ragtime has been created in the last thirty or so years than in the whole of its history, so you are not limited to Joplin, Scott and Lamb. David Thomas Roberts, Frank French, Hal Isbitz, Reginald Robinson, Scott Kirby and several others with prolific output await the pleasure of your exploration. The point is that you have the rhythm and phrasing of these things, which is rarer among pianists than most people suppose.
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 10:18 AM
41 Augustina

Long time no see, lass! Welcome back; I recognise the sound of the Roland (had a FP50 which I liked) and it complements your music very well. Einaudi style? We've had none of him this recital, says I with 5 to go . . .
I certainly enjoyed what you played.

42 AmyH

This is something really good, def. my sort of stuff.. You and your piano sound gorgeous and are made for this. Betcha enjoyed playing it greatly I shall look into this further . . .Well done!

43 No comments
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 10:39 AM
44 Rachtoven

It is a very pleasant piece as you say.and that left hand is relentless. I remember years ago, totally unrelated; The Doors were recording "Riders on the Storm" when the need for a capable bass player becama apparent.; that bass line too, was relentless throughout the song. Session guys were called in to complete the recording.
I certainly enjoyed what you did here. It's strength and charm is . . in the left hand.

45 tyschoco

Lovely. Not the best recording but it can't hide the excellene and sheer exhuberance of that which you play!

46 Pathbreaker

Lovely sound; not a tune I'm familiar with but your dynamics, interpretation and playing are all excellent.

Next recital will be just starting the run in to Christmas.
Keep well, guys!
Posted By: Sam S Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 11:00 AM
My next set - working backwards still...

27. Jason Lenthe - Nocturne in G Minor Op. 15 No. 3 Well done! Not one of the ones I am familiar with - doesn't really come across as a nocturne does it? I see what you mean about the last section - excellent technique!

28. rwsavory - The Poet Speaks - Op 15 "Scenes from Childhood" Such an odd little piece - like Schumann. I have never successfully made much sense of it, but I think your take is very good. The only suggestion I have is that sometimes your pedal overlaps a bit too much and you are not clearing the previous harmony, so it blurs. But that's a little thing. Well done!

29. bSharp(C)yclist (Dan) - Consolation, Op. 30, No. 3 Lots of Mendelssohn this time. I have played this one too. I love those chords - love playing them and listening to them. Your playing and the piano sound great with those chords. I like the occasional short note you introduce - that's different from the way I played it. Well done!

30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer Only 7 months! Very impressive - keep up the good work and welcome to the recitals!

31. winterflower - I soar now the embers have cooled Another improv - very cool. I love the melodies that you have going on - very effective. I am struggling with doing some improv myself - not going very well. I love the title too!

32. Maira713 - Op. 1 No. 4 ("24 Short and Easy Pieces for Keyboard") This is awesome for only 7 months. Loved the retard at the end!

33. joangolfing - Air Suisse Op. 36 No.5 Nice! There are some hidden gems in the Clementi pieces. I can hear the Swiss tune. Sounds like you are having fun playing it!

34. Moo smile - Songs without words opus 38 no 3 I love Mendelssohn too. You picked a tough one, and did a great job on it. I have never tried this one - I am afraid my arthritis couldn't cope! Don't forget the Mendelssohn themed recital next year. Well done!

35. KevinM - Songs Without Words Opus 19 No. 1 I have played this one - played most of op 19 except the hard one. It flows very well and balance between the hands is good. I have no problem hearing the top note melody. The LH could be a bit softer at the end though. One thing I missed was the famous "echo" in bar 9 - everyone who has ever heard or played this is listening for that echo. I heard a little bit of the echo on the repeat, but not the first time. The top falling g#-c# should be just a whisper. Keep up the good work!

36. Talao - Sonatina in G Major Anh. 5 (both movements) I have played this - and taught it in my brief experience at student teaching. I would be very proud of you if you were my student! One thing you can try, in the first mvt, a slight retard before the recap is common - experiment with it - you did one in the 2nd mvt very well. Don't worry about the little bobbles here and there - they are of no consequence. The grace note in the 1st mvt - you ply it like 99% of people play it - but I had one slightly pedantic teacher who insisted it be played on the beat, since that would be more historically accurate for the time period and style of this piece. Try it, but you will stand out as different.

Sam
Posted By: Peyton Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 11:08 AM
Originally Posted by QuentinP
Originally Posted by Sam S
Even your comment about comments is borderline insulting. What's wrong with being supportive and polite? ... The last thing we need is to scare people away from the recitals because they received negative comments. Or to cause someone to give up on piano because they thought they were doing well, but got a bunch of negative comments. Or to look at a recital thread, see a string of negative comments, hurt feelings, and bickering, and decide the recitals are not for them.

Thank you for adding this Sam. Whether intended or not, some of this recent discussion about comments comes across as pompous and sneering.

As a newcomer to the recitals, I definitely find these discussions off-putting and tiresome. I’m sure much of it is garden variety misunderstandings of tone, and I agree that the majority of posters have no malignant intent, but I would hate to think that someone might be discouraged by a random internet person’s remarks, or for them to assume that all authoritative technical advice is necessarily even correct, let alone helpful (however well-meaning). A little consideration when both giving and receiving goes a long way.

With regard to the remarks made in the discussion, taking umbrage at someone not liking the comment you made seems ironic and slightly ridiculous. And similarly, conflating 'positive' with 'meaningless' is bizarre. But maybe that’s just me.

Perhaps we can create a separate thread titled “The best way to critique” and watch the blood-bath unfold over there? grin

PS Thank you to ranjit and peterws for your comments - much appreciated!

A number of years ago one of our contributors was writing in depth comments on not only the piece but the sound of the piano, the recording quality and more. I took umbridge because he had only been playing piano for under a year and I felt was talking way beyond his ability. I asked him to not comment on my work and he stopped. Case closed. On the other hand I find the few people here that are taking the lengthy time to comment on the works in the recital to actually sound pretty knowledgable. I for one do not have the confidence in my musical knowledge to make comments more than just the general "I really like this", but wish I did. All this said, I think we just need to pay more attention to the "critique wanted" check mark when we put in our piece (I understand it was not working).
Posted By: Amy H Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 11:39 AM
Originally Posted by joangolfing
42. Amy H - Story of You Amy I loved the sound of your piece, "Story of You". I took your advice and ordered Alexis Ffrench's Sheet Music Collection. You play with such ease and mastery of this piece. I hope to find a new composer to study. Thanks for being part of this recital. I'm inspired by you and everyone else in Recital #63.

Thank you for your kind comment!
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 12:21 PM
Finally, here are my next set of comments. I began to wonder about the value of this exercise: whether the time invested in listening to and noting the background to every piece and then gathering, editing and posting my thoughts, was worthwhile when I had so little technical expertise to contribute.

I've decided it is, so I'll continue to post comments that are unashamedly subjective ‘pats on the back’ - but they are in no way ‘superficial’. They're meant to encourage and acknowledge the efforts made by fellow Adult Beginners to prepare and submit these snapshots of their current projects to a world-wide audience.

Personally, even knowing that someone has bothered to listen to my contribution motivates me to get back to the bench and polish something, or try something new. I hope my remarks do the same for others.


17. dumka1 - Prelude Op. 11 no 2 Your love of this piece is obvious, it was full of light and shade. And what an interesting ‘studio’ to play it in!

18. psyche23 (Edwin) - Le Piccadilly Wow - a side of Satie I’ve never experienced before, and I enjoyed listening as much as you clearly enjoyed playing it. it. Plenty of exuberance here already; you have just the right touch for ragtime.

19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements To me this was evocative of a streetscape, impressions gathered from a wet night in a busy precinct. Rich textures - fascinating stuff.

20. QuentinP - WTK 1 Prelude 8 Eb minor Quentin, you’re right - this really is a beautiful prelude. Your performance captured a pleasant, tranquil mood.
Posted By: Qazsedcft Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 12:29 PM
Originally Posted by Calavera
Originally Posted by QuentinP
[...] I would hate to think that someone might be discouraged by a random internet person’s remarks, or for them to assume that all authoritative technical advice is necessarily even correct, let alone helpful (however well-meaning). A little consideration when both giving and receiving goes a long way.

I'm with Quentin (and Sam) on this one.

For the most part, we're just internet strangers and whatever feedback is provided (including positive remarks, mind you) needs to be taken with the proverbial pinch of salt. In this particular context, harsh criticism is unnecessary at best, and unseemly at worst. Critical observations can be useful and relevant, but there is such a thing as a happy medium.

People who want thorough feedback are better off paying a teacher for that purpose. Your teacher can (presumably) give reliable feedback that is worth the pain of hearing harsh criticism. Furthermore, one of the tenets of teaching is arguably to praise loud and fix soft. The latter is much more difficult to do when you're commenting on a public forum than when you're teaching someone in a private session.

According to Sam's ABF surveys, some people refrain from taking part in the recitals because their level is supposedly 'not high enough'. It'd be a real shame to give them any more reason to miss out on the recitals.
Even if you have a teacher other people may have a different perspective and offer alternative opinions and I see value in that. Even uninformed opinions.

Short anecdote: I once played the Chopin E minor prelude and someone (not a teacher) blurted "That sounded angry not sad". Was it harsh? Perhaps a little. But I took a step back and analyzed and asked some questions to figure out why she thought that. In the end I concluded that I disagree with her idea of the piece but I'm still glad I received that opinion and learned something from it. It was a truly honest, unfiltered, unembelished comment from a listener. Those are the best ones.

Personally, this whole discussion is discouraging me from participating but not for the reasons stated above. I feel that if people cannot speak their mind freely and offer truly honest opinions (however critical) then there is no point in participating.

Maybe I'll submit my recording and shut up and that will be it.
Posted By: mmatthew Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 12:45 PM
I think if one has a good enough self-assessment of one's playing, and has a clear view of their goals - it shouldn't be hard to accept AND rationally process all points of view, with that context in mind. However harsh comments might be, we can assume positive intent (at least I would.)

Having said that, this is an ABFers forum and unless someone states explicitly, I don't think anyone's goal is to become a concert pianist. Thus, I personally think overly harsh/very critical comments (like food critics or music critics writing in big name publications) will put off some ABFers from future participation.
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 02:20 PM
I've seen some of these in-depth reviews and I'm insanely jealous.
I've not actually received any! I know my birthday's a couple o' months away but . . .(shrug) smile
Posted By: Peyton Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 03:05 PM
20. Quentin- Quite beautiful. A serene noble piece and played wonderfully and with feeling.
Posted By: Sam S Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 03:08 PM
Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
Personally, this whole discussion is discouraging me from participating but not for the reasons stated above. I feel that if people cannot speak their mind freely and offer truly honest opinions (however critical) then there is no point in participating.

Maybe I'll submit my recording and shut up and that will be it.

I plan to continue on as I always have. I hope you will do the same - your input is appreciated.

Sam
Posted By: Peyton Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 03:11 PM
42. Amy- Wow, what a lovely piece. i will most definitly check him out. You played it beautifully.
Posted By: mmatthew Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 03:33 PM
Originally Posted by peterws
I've seen some of these in-depth reviews and I'm insanely jealous.
I've not actually received any! I know my birthday's a couple o' months away but . . .(shrug) smile

Maybe it's because you're that good Peter :-) No comments!
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 03:44 PM
Originally Posted by Peyton
42. Amy- Wow, what a lovely piece. i will most definitly check him out. You played it beautifully.

Seems like a lot o' folk have thought the same . . .
Posted By: Amy H Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 04:28 PM
I really enjoy reading any kind of feedback - good or bad - so thank you!

vte, Wie Waldi, AndresVel, Rachtoven, lilypad, QuentinP, Sam S, joangolfing, peterws, and Peyton - Thank YOU for your lovely comments! I'm so please you enjoyed my recording. joangolfing, Enjoy learning and playing through the Sheet Music Collection book! smile

Ever since I found his music some years ago, I have wanted to introduce it to anyone that plays or listens to classical/contemporary music! Ffrench's music is a joy for anyone to learn - especially beginners, as I feel that most of his works are perfectly suitable for that level of playing.
If you have Spotify, here is a link to his playlist with all of his pieces - Alexis Ffrench Spotify Playlist.
You can thank me later wink
Posted By: Qazsedcft Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 04:38 PM
Originally Posted by Sam S
I plan to continue on as I always have. I hope you will do the same - your input is appreciated.
Thanks Sam.
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 05:10 PM
43 selfishplayer

Missed you both out in error. Spledid job on this lengthy piece; I really don't know quite why folk put themselves through this; it's an obstacle course marathon! And you got through with no more than a grazed shin or two on the more intricate moments! Damn those hurdles! Well done.

44 Pika Pianist.

So effervescent and lively, with a bit of bite! Just so good to hear stuff of this quality!
Posted By: Qazsedcft Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 06:11 PM
Originally Posted by peterws
I've seen some of these in-depth reviews and I'm insanely jealous.
I've not actually received any! I know my birthday's a couple o' months away but . . .(shrug) smile
Alright you asked for it... wink

23. peterws - Winter
You chose a really fast tempo for this! Not that it sounds bad at that tempo, mind you. You played it beautifully with a signing tone. The balance between the hands is very good. Also, I love the sound of your piano. But I tried following the music in your video and found it a bit strange. You seem to be almost stopping at the bars marked with thick pencil lines. I agree there should be some rubato but I think your tempo fluctuates too much and it's hard to follow. Still, overall it was very nice to listen. BTW, I laughed at the title of your video. It says "Winter morn Tchai". In Russian tchai means "tea" so I pictured someone drinking a cup of tea looking at a sunny winter scenery outside. I don't think this quite what Tchaikovsky had in mind though. wink
Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
In Russian tchai means "tea"

So he's really been Teakovsky all along ... this begs the question what "kovsky" actually means. I'm not sure I dare to know the truth, however. smile
Posted By: dumka1 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 06:43 PM
Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
In Russian tchai means "tea"

So he's really been Teakovsky all along ... this begs the question what "kovsky" actually means. I'm not sure I dare to know the truth, however. smile

Well, while chai/tchai is indeed "tea" in Russian, the composer's last name comes from Chaika ("a seagull")--that was the actual name of his Ukrainian grandfather who changed it to (T)Chaikovsky, probably to sound more "noble" in Russian.
Posted By: Sam S Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 06:51 PM
Another 10 or so - more to come.

17. dumka1 - Prelude Op. 11 no 2 Sounds great - especially the Church space. I confess to never really getting into Scriabin, but I can appreciate how hard it must have been to learn and perform this. Well done!

18. psyche23 (Edwin) - Le Piccadilly Wonderful! I never knew Satie wrote ragtime-ish type pieces. You really nailed this one!

19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements I always look forward to your improvs Ted - they are such a blast. I wish you would make a video can we can see you do your thing!

20. QuentinP - WTK 1 Prelude 8 Eb minor Beautiful! Bach was such a master. Love the ending with the switch to major. I need to put this one on my list. But the key - well, maybe not. Thanks so much for playing this one.

21. Calavera - Theme of Love Beautifully played! I know nothing abut video game music, but this was really lovely.

22. mmathew - Waltz in a minor, B.150 Posth This is great for just a year of study. Preparing to play for others quickly teaches you to focus. Has anyone mentioned the pedal yet? The only comment I would make is that you are not quite clearing the pedal - the previous measure's chords are bleeding over into the next measure. I have a teacher who always tells me the pedal is not an on/off switch - there are subtle ways to use it. Maybe don't press it all the way down? And be sure to release all the way. Other than that, great work!

23. peterws - Winter Thanks for the video with the music, but now I know that you added an extra bass note at the end. You just had to do that didn't you? I like the approach you took - a bit loose. I haven't listened to a pro play it either, so I am not biased - but I don't know how its "supposed" to sound - probably a good thing. Thanks for playing it!

24. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata K331 1st Movement - Andante grazioso What's not to like about Mozart? Unless you are the one playing it, of course. I played a Mozart Sonata for school, and I could have picked this one. I really love it, but I thought it was just too hard for me, so I chose 332 instead, and I only did the first movement. That was enough! Bravo for taking this on - you did a great job. I know how long it probably took you to get to this point. Your hard work and dedication have paid off! I also loved the video with the slide show.

25. Ganddalf - Tango A very relaxed tango - I have never heard this, or at least I don't remember it. I can imagine a hot evening, the women fanning themselves, and a couple out on the dance floor doing a sultry tango. Well done!

26. lilypad - The Bass Man Walketh This is great! Love that walking bass! And you played it so well!

Sam
I had zero music training as a child and started piano at 37. I’m truly an adult beginner.

My recording was a masterclass at a piano camp, so I guess I’m used to in depth comments. I know the form was messed up where it looked like no one wanted criticism. Some people won’t be used to that. None of us play anything perfectly. I just pick things to improve. I work and don’t have time to play scales every day or work pieces to perfection and accept that.

At one masterclass I was playing an invention and a Juliard professor (really LOL) wanted me to play a scale and I couldn’t on the spot and he said I should not be playing the invention if I can’t play the scale. I wanted to say “my life doesn’t revolve around this!” but I just shrugged it off. I’ve no desire to try to be perfect, just better.

I don’t comment much on pieces because I just don’t have an ear for classical music. But I enjoyed everyone’s performance!

I think if people can check they don’t want comments that will remedy most hurt feelings, though I suggest not to take criticism personally, and just use recitals as motivation.
Posted By: Qwerty53 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 09:02 PM
More comments, mine in the spirit of greeting the performers after a Recital, rather than pretending to conduct a master class (as if I could!!):

16. vte - Vieux Noel in G minor Very impressive for having been playing a relatively short time. Nice to hear a piece that is not often heard.

17. dumka1 - Prelude Op. 11 no 2 This recital is persuading me that I need to hear more Scriabin. Your Prelude sounds great; nice playing, nice recording.

18. psyche23 (Edwin) - Le Piccadilly I wish I could just wake up some morning and be able to play ragtime like this! Plenty of freshness and exuberance. It makes me smile; I thank you!

19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements Ted, your titles have me as curious as your improvisations. Is this title from James Joyce, or Cortes? Seems the latter was fond of wet pavements. Perhaps I am passing a building full of rehearsal studios, hearing fragments of music from many different decades and eras. What’s the aural equivalent of “glimpses”?

20. QuentinP - WTK 1 Prelude 8 Eb minor Bach gives room for so much! This is very meditative. Perhaps slower than I have heard it elsewhere, but your tempo works to share its delicate loveliness.

21. Calavera - Theme of Love Played with drama and flair! Well done!

22. mmathew - Waltz in a minor, B.150 Posth Bravo for boldness in repertoire choices! Sometimes that teaches us what we need to learn next: a lesson I encounter over and over myself. Your tempo seems respectable and it sounds like you have both the goals in mind and the motivation in your spirit to keep playing this. Have fun!

23. peterws - Winter I can almost hear those giant icicles falling! Great choice; it is beautiful. I have been exploring various “children’s albums” myself; some wonderful music there! How aboout Prokofiev?

24. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata K331 1st Movement - Andante grazioso Ellen, your playing always opens my ears wider! Looking forward to hearing the whole sonata.

25. Ganddalf - Tango The freedom in rhythm and dynamics that you mention sound wonderful. I could listen to this over and over.

26. lilypad - The Bass Man Walketh Nice job! This is making me get up off the couch and move around! I’ll be back later!
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 09:04 PM
Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
Originally Posted by peterws
I've seen some of these in-depth reviews and I'm insanely jealous.
I've not actually received any! I know my birthday's a couple o' months away but . . .(shrug) smile
Alright you asked for it... wink

23. peterws - Winter
You chose a really fast tempo for this! Not that it sounds bad at that tempo, mind you. You played it beautifully with a signing tone. The balance between the hands is very good. Also, I love the sound of your piano. But I tried following the music in your video and found it a bit strange. You seem to be almost stopping at the bars marked with thick pencil lines. I agree there should be some rubato but I think your tempo fluctuates too much and it's hard to follow. Still, overall it was very nice to listen. BTW, I laughed at the title of your video. It says "Winter morn Tchai". In Russian tchai means "tea" so I pictured someone drinking a cup of tea looking at a sunny winter scenery outside. I don't think this quite what Tchaikovsky had in mind though. wink

Thanks for that, Qaz! I did listen to other versions when it was too late to change mine! Must admit to being happy with the gaps (rubato ha ha) but it might've helped if they sounded a tad more like "phrasing" but, well, a guy can't have everything!
(Tbh, I found it hard to play. My brain had to have catch-up time, and still does on that piece)
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 09:10 PM
Originally Posted by Qwerty53
23. peterws - Winter I can almost hear those giant icicles falling! Great choice; it is beautiful. I have been exploring various “children’s albums” myself; some wonderful music there! How aboout Prokofiev?

Love Prokofiev; the Russian Recital we did was awesome. Thx for the comment!
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/20/21 09:16 PM
Originally Posted by Sam S
23. peterws - Winter Thanks for the video with the music, but now I know that you added an extra bass note at the end. You just had to do that didn't you? I like the approach you took - a bit loose. I haven't listened to a pro play it either, so I am not biased - but I don't know how its "supposed" to sound - probably a good thing. Thanks for playing it!



Sam

It's a very good thing you don't know how it's supposed to sound, Sam. I took some liberties with the music too .blush
Posted By: Rachtoven Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/21/21 12:06 AM
Some more comments:

19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements

Nice improvisation. I’m impressed with your organization; it had the arc of a composition.

20. QuentinP - WTK 1 Prelude 8 Eb minor

This was a very soulful and enjoyable performance. Thanks for submitting it.

21. Calavera - Theme of Love

Wow! That was a near perfect performance of a beautiful piece. And the dynamic contrasts were amazing.

35. KevinM - Songs Without Words Opus 19 No. 1

This was a very nice performance and definitely not too slow. Thanks for submitting it.

36. Talao - Sonatina in G Major Anh. 5 (both movements)

You did a really nice job with this one. I enjoyed it.

37. Purrblast - Sonatina in A minor (Op. 27. No. 18)

I really like this piece. It has a nice swing to it. Well done!

38. facdo - Impromptu in E flat Major Op.90 No.2

You really challenged yourself with this piece and triumphed! I’m amazed at the quality of your playing. Bravo!

39. Snejana - Contemplation

This sounds like a well-thought-out composition; you must have a well-organized mind to improvise like this. Bottom line, it’s beautiful and your playing was top notch.
Posted By: tyschoco Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/21/21 01:29 AM
23. peterws - Winter
I really appreciated the voicing work you put into this piece, the dotted eighth note into the sixteenth note motif is well tracked throughout and you even brought out the middle voice on occasion which is very interesting. You play expressively and with good shaping. My only critique is perhaps the piece started off too energetic? I find it rather curious why your score is notated as allegro as the first thing that strikes me on a winter morning is something other than "lively" lol. (other editions seem to have notated it andante instead)
Perhaps as a result, you have to slow down the middle of the piece to change the mood? I am unsure if this is what your teacher intended (if you have one). Personally neither i or my teacher would take that much liberty with the tempo and pauses you added in unless explicitly stated by the composers. However to each his own, Good Job!


43. selfishplayer - Keyboard concerto no.7 in g minor BWV - 1058 first movement - Allegro piano solo
I have to say that this is a really tough submission and its very admirable you tried to challenge yourself to submit it in one take. I like the energy your placed into the piece and and your attempts at shaping and dynamics. I will leave some critique below

I want to first state that you seem relatively aware of your own flaws based on your own post and i don't want to come off as rubbing salt in your wound and normally would refrain from going too far into critique given the general experience level we are at in this forum. Nonetheless i feel the need to list a few points based on your experience level you stated and the pieces you are tackling on your youtube channel which seem to imply you are far from a beginner level and a fairly seasoned player.
Firstly, there is a bit of unevenness in the fingerwork in the left hand especially. Perhaps stemming from this issue, important musical details such as the conversation between the voice as well musical direction in sequences, cadences etc are unfortunately missed out. The tempo tends to fluctuate and desyncs happen between the hands as well. This issue seems persistent in similar submissions on your youtube channel as well. I am unsure if you have a teacher already, if you do, please continue working with them to continue improving yourself! Otherwise, i highly suggest as you are getting into this territory of professional pieces played at an undergraduate conservatory level, that proper guidance is important here.

If i may add one additional thing that may be overstepping my boundaries a little, if i were to speak from the perspective of my own teacher, i believe it may be wise to look into playing pieces with less of a technical challenge at around a RCM level 8/9 such as Bach Sinfonias/Chopin nocturnes of that level etc. This may allow you to feel more comfortable at playing allowing your musical ideas (which you clearly are aware of) to shine through and provide less anxiety in "one take" situations like what you did. But if you already have professional advice, please disregard this comment.

44. Rachtoven - Consolation No. 3
I remember being given this by my teacher early on as a way to push me, it is a very beautiful piece, one that i wish to revisit one day when i can actually give it proper justice
You capture the mood of the piece rather well and maintain the appropriate dynamic level giving the piece its due introspective feel. Your touch is good for this piece and you have awareness for some of the phrasing and shaping in this piece and you follow the performance directions relative well. I'll leave some critique below
Firstly, i want to state it really was an Ernest effort and i know the struggles of this piece cause i spent a rather lengthy period of time on this as well. That being said, it also means we are both aware of the little blemishes but i'll list out my thoughts either way in the hopes that the feedback helps in some way!
It should be said your 2 against 3 poly-rhythm was rather consistent throughout the piece, but the (dreaded) 4 against 3 poly-rhythm was rather inconsistent as you took quite a bit of liberty with the tempo. From an interpretive stand point, there has to be more attention drawn to interesting sections of the piece, especially when interesting harmonies appear in the piece. Corresponding changes in tone color and mood can be brought out in tandem with this. The line could also be shaped more, giving more sense of direction and "arrival" points at the end of certain phrases. The whole bass notes could also have a deeper touch to allow the harmonic resonance be brought out more.

If you are learning under a teacher , please keep working with them, if you self learnt this, then i have to say this was a very impressive attempt and you may want to consider professional guidance since you have quite a few good things going for you. Pursing this piece, which is rated at RCM level 10 and any other pieces of this difficulty will require a good professional to teach you how to execute it even better. Look forward to hearing more!
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/21/21 01:30 AM
Originally Posted by Sam S
19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements I always look forward to your improvs Ted - they are such a blast. I wish you would make a video can we can see you do your thing!Sam
Thanks Sam. I fear the spectacle of my ursine form groping at the instrument might prove more of a detraction than an enhancement but I'll think about it.

Originally Posted by MarieJ
19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements To me this was evocative of a streetscape, impressions gathered from a wet night in a busy precinct. Rich textures - fascinating stuff.
Thanks Marie, that is how I reacted too on listening but strictly speaking it had not occurred to me until then.

Originally Posted by Qwerty53
19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements Ted, your titles have me as curious as your improvisations. Is this title from James Joyce, or Cortes? Seems the latter was fond of wet pavements. Perhaps I am passing a building full of rehearsal studios, hearing fragments of music from many different decades and eras. What’s the aural equivalent of “glimpses”?
I cannot think of a precise word for that. "Snippet" and "fragment" could be used but they have too general a connotation. No Jimmy Joyce this time, I happened to be looking at Cortes's glistening cityscapes while first listening to it and perceived a possible title. Really though, the best title would be whatever springs to your own mind. I attach titles solely as an aid to memory when wanting to locate a particular passage within over six hundred hours of recording and usually any nonsense will do. Very seldom do I use an a priori association as a stimulus.

Originally Posted by Rachtoven
19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements Nice improvisation. I’m impressed with your organization; it had the arc of a composition.
You see, this a perpetual puzzle to me. Half of my listeners say they can hear form and just as many assert that lack of structure is what puts them off. I realise that pattern is a much shallower property than form but all the same there is some deeper aspect about these reactions and how they vary among individuals which still eludes me. Thanks for listening.
Posted By: facdo Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/21/21 02:54 AM
Thank you Sam S, peterws and Rachtoven for the kind feedback on my performance.
Also, thank you tyschoco for such detailed constructive feedback. You are right, the middle section needs a lot of work but I think it is only natural because I’ve been practicing it for less time. I spent about 2 months on the 1st part of the A section, but only about 20 days for the rest of the A section and the B section and coda. The piece wasn’t ready, but I wanted to make a recording for this recital, and was also useful for my teacher to give me feedback. But regarding tempo, that is pretty much the tempo I want. I think with a faster tempo it is so much harder to address the musical aspects, specially in the PP part of the A section. I like Sokolov interpretation, which is about the same tempo I am playing.

Here’s the 2nd batch of comments:

13. Alpha Terminus - Lotus Land
This is a very interesting piece and your playing made me listen to more of Cyril Scott’s works. I actually didn’t know the composer, so thanks for introducing me to his music. I liked the dissonances, the modern harmonies and the “spaced out feeling” of this piece. I don’t have any reference for this, but I think your performance was amazing, borderline perfect. Bravo!

14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779)
I have to say that your progress on the piano is amazing! You may see some people with 1 year of experience trying very difficult pieces, but in 99% of the cases the result is not good at all. I am much more impressed by someone playing progressively more difficult works as they get the experience for that, as you are doing. I played this piece before and I know how tricky it is. Your tempo is overall a bit slow, but that is good because you managed to play it very cleanly and evenly. Some people, like myself, rush for a faster tempo and the result is a mess. It takes discipline to stick to a tempo that you are comfortable, so keep doing that. I really liked your performance, but there is one very minor thing that I think you could work on to get your interpretation to another level. Perhaps you could work on that on the next inventions. It is the dynamic contrast between the voices. My teacher says that as a general rule for Bach you should put more emphasis on the voice that is playing the theme, so that emphasis will change between hands along the piece. But that is just a suggestion, since Bach didn’t notate anything on that. In any case, amazing work. Keep it up!

15. Serge88 - Boogie Blues Etude
Oh, this made me want to pick my guitar to jam with you. Very nice playing and really cool blues! Thanks for sharing.

16. vte - Vieux Noel in G minor
Very tender and soulful playing of a beautiful piece. You sound like you have more than 1.5 years of experience. Well done!

17. dumka1 - Prelude Op. 11 no 2
I noticed that you are always bringing interesting pieces to the recital, so please keep doing that. Your playing is fantastic, and the piano tone is superb. I had to listen twice in a row because the only issue is that it is such a short piece.

18. psyche23 (Edwin) - Le Piccadilly
Listening to this I would never imagine that this is a Satie piece. I guess I don’t really know his works other from the famous “ambient” music. Such a cool and fun ragtime, thanks for introducing me to this piece. And your performance was amazing, really well played. Bravo!

19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements
I started to listen and immediately I knew this was a Ted Jones improvisation. It is so cool that you consistently submit these improvisations in every quarterly recital. I mentioned this before. I find your playing interesting but it is a bit too “avant garde” for my taste. But it is nice to hear and keep wondering where you going next, if you are going to develop on a new theme or bridge again to something different. Very interesting, please keep doing these recordings and sharing them with us smile

20. QuentinP - WTK 1 Prelude 8 Eb minor
Oh, I love this P&F so much! Your performance of the prelude is so beautiful. You really get the essence of this piece. I would love to hear you playing the fugue that follows. Are you planning on learning it as well? I wanted to play this, but the fugue really scared me off.

21. Calavera - Theme of Love
Wow, this was such a pleasure to listen! You play with such tenderness and high skill. Really amazing! That theme is strangely familiar, but I guess I never listened to the original song and that is just a nice catchy melody. Please keep sharing these video games and anime music, I really enjoy listening to your submissions!

22. mmathew - Waltz in a minor, B.150 Posth
I love this waltz and it was the first Chopin that I learned. I remember that at the time it was super challenging to play and I couldn’t do much refinement to my interpretation. But after 1 year I picked up this piece again and it was so much easier to play and I could add so much more musicality and soul to it. Your performance was very nice considering your experience, but as you progress it will be easier to play this piece. I assure you that if you pick it up again in the future, after practicing lots of other pieces, it is going to be much easier to play and your interpretation will be great. For now, don’t worry too much about it and keep practicing and learning new pieces. But just one thing, be careful not to curl your fingers too much. I noticed in the video that they were almost pointing inwards to the palm of your hands. In general, you want to keep a nice arc with your hand, not too flat but not completely curled. I think that could help you have more control of dynamics and improved dexterity. In any case, I hope you keep learning the piano and I am looking forward to see your progress on the upcoming recitals smile

23. peterws - Winter
Tchaikovsky’s Album for the Young is such a cool set of little gems. It is nice for beginners to learn new techniques, but it is also nice for more experienced players such yourself to work on refining musical aspects to a high level. Your interpretation is really good, and you made me want to pick up this album and learn some more pieces. Thanks for sharing!

24. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata K331 1st Movement - Andante grazioso
Oh, this has to be one of the most beautiful themes Mozart ever wrote. I really love this piece and I used to listen to it a lot in my childhood. In my opinion, this 1st movement is so much better than the overplayed 3rd movement. I feel that it has to be played more often, so thank you for sharing your performance. I really enjoyed your playing and some variations, such as IV and VI, were particularly amazing. Bravo!
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/21/21 04:42 AM
Originally Posted by facdo
19. Ted Jones - Wet PavementsI started to listen and immediately I knew this was a Ted Jones improvisation. It is so cool that you consistently submit these improvisations in every quarterly recital. I mentioned this before. I find your playing interesting but it is a bit too “avant garde” for my taste. But it is nice to hear and keep wondering where you going next, if you are going to develop on a new theme or bridge again to something different. Very interesting, please keep doing these recordings and sharing them with us smile

Avant garde ? That's a new one, I haven't been called that before although a fellow of the Royal Schools once told me I was the first example he had met of a genuine musical pervert. How I inwardly relished that description ! To be thought interesting is good enough for me and as long as the "ayes" continue to outweigh the "nays" in the discussion I shall continue to post a small section in each recital. Thanks for listening.
Posted By: tyschoco Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/21/21 05:51 AM
Originally Posted by SMA55
So, I think I'm going to revert to my previous stance of not publicly commenting anymore. It will certainly be less trouble for me to just listen to these recitals and then only discuss any opinions I have behind the scenes with those who are interested in a more honest and free exchange of ideas--even ones involving a grim reaper and his scythe. wink

Heya SMA55, i just wanted to say that i actually really like your more honest and straightforward type of feedback given its the type of comment i was hoping to get on my playing. I was wondering if you would be so kind if you could listen to my submission and provide your feedback on my playing? I would greatly appreciate it as i want to get a second opinion on the flaws of my playing and compare it with my own perception of my flaws and strengths. I think it would greatly help me in my own development.

This is the first time i am giving feedback to people in a recital as i am relatively new here. I have been hoping to find a good balance on giving critique and encouraging the effort put in by the players. I understand everyone here has different experience level and expectations they have set for themselves for their playing and i have been trying to cater each of the responses in relation to the player's skill level, experience as well as the difficulty of the piece they are tackling. Personally i am tending towards more detailed critique the more experienced the player is and the closer to the professional level the piece of music is (Such as Level 9 RCM pieces or higher in difficulty). Hopefully so far my feedback has been meeting that happy medium i am aiming for. Please let me know if anyone feels my critique is unwarranted too! :')
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/21/21 05:55 AM
21. Calavera - Theme of Love A very appealing piece, whether completely original or not - I can see why you chose it. You handled it with style and just the right touch of drama - nicely played!

22. mmathew - Waltz in a minor, B.150 Posth Good on you for taking up the challenge and submitting this ‘reach’ piece; it’s progressing well. (Disappointed? No way!) It sounds as if you’ve learned heaps from the experience. This one’s a keeper, to enjoy and polish forever.

23. peterws - Winter I’m all for finding pieces that are challenging while still fun and joyful - a pianist’s quest. I don’t know this one, but I loved it and will be looking forward to your next discovery (on your new piano).

24. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata K331 1st Movement - Andante grazioso What a delight, a complete ‘mini concert’ of variations, played with exemplary sensitivity and skill. I loved every minute. Brava!

25. Ganddalf - Tango I’m glad you chose this lovely tango - one of my favourites. Far more than merely ‘OK’, it was a perfectly paced, fine interpretation.

26. lilypad - The Bass Man Walketh Great swinging blues - a treat! This was as much fun to listen to, as it obviously was for you to play.
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/21/21 07:24 AM
Originally Posted by tyschoco
23. peterws - Winter

I really appreciated the voicing work you put into this piece, the dotted eighth note into the sixteenth note motif is well tracked throughout and you even brought out the middle voice on occasion which is very interesting. You play expressively and with good shaping. My only critique is perhaps the piece started off too energetic? I find it rather curious why your score is notated as allegro as the first thing that strikes me on a winter morning is something other than "lively" lol. (other editions seem to have notated it andante instead)
Perhaps as a result, you have to slow down the middle of the piece to change the mood? I am unsure if this is what your teacher intended (if you have one). Personally neither i or my teacher would take that much liberty with the tempo and pauses you added in unless explicitly stated by the composers. However to each his own, Good Job!

Thank you very much for the time and energy put into this; indeed all your feedback has been appreciated I'm sure!

Given the nature of English winters, and my perception of those in Russia, (never been there) I could not consider winter to be other than lively although a still winter's day is a joy to wake up to.
I finally took the liberty to examine others' attempts at this piece, and was initially mortified.



He had the Andante version of the music, I'd imagine. I could play nothing in that manner. Ever. Not even Satie's Gnosses. Not even for money.

And then I found this, from an East European lady. She'll know a bit about Russian winters, that's for sure!



She obviously didn't have the Andante script. Where do they get this stuff from? Who decides?
Answer. I do. smile

I copied only the URL and posted it directly on the page, expecting only a link. . .Oh never mind!
Posted By: Sam S Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/21/21 10:19 AM
Still working my way backwards:

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1 I never get tired of listening to this. Some pieces are just staples because they are original and evoke just the right mood. You played it wonderfully!

08. Peyton - Gnossienne For Stella Excellent music, playing, and video! Just great all around. I can hear Satie, and some jazz licks, and Peyton. And I would be honored to own an original Peyton composition - I'll send you a PM. Thanks Peyton!

09. QuasiUnaFantasia - Stimmungsbilder, opus 9 no. 4: Traumerei I am going to have to go find this now, and learn it for my local piano group. Very well done - I love the dreamy quality of it, which is, of course, the point. There is a melody hidden in there, or at least repoeated patterns, and you brought that out very well, Excellent!

10. Flygbladet - Tonbilder part 2 "barnmenuett" (Childrens menuett) It is a bit melodramatic in places, and that is why she thought of a children's minuet. You are playing very well, it would be a shame to stop now. Develop a practice habit, play some stuff for fun, and maybe you can get your enthusiasm back up.

11. JJHLH - Feuillet d'Album Op 45, No 1 hard to believe yoiu have only been at it 2.5 years. Very sensitive touch. I'm not a Scriabin fan, si I have said before, but this was well done.

12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576 Pretty good sound for a software instrument. Excellent playing. I love these preludes that sound like a burst of energy, followed by a more precise allegro. Well done!

13. Alpha Terminus - Lotus Land Welcome back to the recitals! I have thought about learning this piece a few times over the years, but never took the plunge. Your version sounds more dramatic than I remember, which is a good thing. I like the energy you bring to it. Well done!

14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779) Well done! This one brings back memories - I used to warm up with this, attempting to memorize it, when I was a kid. But I never played it this good! You should be very proud of this...

15. Serge88 - Boogie Blues Etude I always laugh when I see you videos - in a good way. You look like you are having so much fun! Excellent!

16. vte - Vieux Noel in G minor Thanks for playing something I don't think I have ever heard. This is excellent for just 1.5 years of playing. Nice balance between the voices and control of the volume. Well done!

More to come!

Sam
Posted By: Rachtoven Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/21/21 10:31 AM
Final comments:

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20)

That was a very nice performance of the Ballet, and everything I hear of Heller is enjoyable and well-composed.

06. barbaram - Dansul Romanesc

I really like this little piece and you played it with energy and swing. Good job.

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1

This was a fantastic performance! Very sensitively played.

08. Peyton - Gnossienne For Stella

I like your composition and you played it very well.

16. vte - Vieux Noel in G minor

Nice performance. You played with much feeling.

17. dumka1 - Prelude Op. 11 no 2

Great job! This sounds like a difficult piece to bring off, but you played it convincingly.

18. psyche23 (Edwin) - Le Piccadilly

Who would’ve thought Satie would compose a rag. He did a great job and so did you. Kudos!

32. Maira713 - Op. 1 No. 4 ("24 Short and Easy Pieces for Keyboard")

I agree with you on the music box feel of this piece. You played well, particularly for someone with less than a year of experience.

33. joangolfing - Air Suisse Op. 36 No.5

Nice job. At your chosen tempo, this sounds like a stately minuet, and I’m envisioning a dance at court.

34. Moo smile - Songs without words opus 38 no 3

Good job on a very difficult-sounding piece.
Posted By: KevinM Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/21/21 11:16 AM
Originally Posted by tyschoco
These are some great listens

35. KevinM - Songs Without Words Opus 19 No. 1
Completing the trio of Songs without words submissions!
I have to say, despite what you wrote in your recital submission. I really think this was a very very good attempt. It was very clean and so tranquil in its execution. If you did not mention difficulties in your post, i would not have been able to discern it. With regards to what you mentioned about tempo, i think this is a really respectable tempo for your skill level and you delivered it well. With further development, you could revisit this piece and play it at your desired tempo (which i assume is quarter note 85 ish?)
The only critique is really have is that more attention should be given to the shaping of the line. There are some very interesting moments in the piece where the harmony is unexpected, with accidentals in the melodic line that you can draw attention to, perhaps what you termed as a lack of convincing tempo rubato? I also feel instead of thinking of the middle voice being too soft, you could also have a deeper rounder touch to the melody line as i feel its a tad timid at the moment. (But this could be a limit of the digital instrument you are using? idk) But honestly, it was a really nice listen. Hopefully when i eventually learn this, it will be as good as yours!

I agree with your points about shaping the line, there is a lack of phrasing and the same thing with the accidentals in the melody line being missing, I love hearing them.

Looking forward to listening to yours when you do record.

SamS' point about the missing echo is also totally on point and it was something I also like hearing in recordings.

Thanks for the constructive comments.
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/21/21 04:22 PM
Originally Posted by tyschoco
Originally Posted by SMA55
So, I think I'm going to revert to my previous stance of not publicly commenting anymore. It will certainly be less trouble for me to just listen to these recitals and then only discuss any opinions I have behind the scenes with those who are interested in a more honest and free exchange of ideas--even ones involving a grim reaper and his scythe. wink

Heya SMA55, i just wanted to say that i actually really like your more honest and straightforward type of feedback given its the type of comment i was hoping to get on my playing. I was wondering if you would be so kind if you could listen to my submission and provide your feedback on my playing? I would greatly appreciate it as i want to get a second opinion on the flaws of my playing and compare it with my own perception of my flaws and strengths. I think it would greatly help me in my own development.

This is the first time i am giving feedback to people in a recital as i am relatively new here. I have been hoping to find a good balance on giving critique and encouraging the effort put in by the players. I understand everyone here has different experience level and expectations they have set for themselves for their playing and i have been trying to cater each of the responses in relation to the player's skill level, experience as well as the difficulty of the piece they are tackling. Personally i am tending towards more detailed critique the more experienced the player is and the closer to the professional level the piece of music is (Such as Level 9 RCM pieces or higher in difficulty). Hopefully so far my feedback has been meeting that happy medium i am aiming for. Please let me know if anyone feels my critique is unwarranted too! :')

From the Oxford English Dictionary:

Fo-rum

noun
1. 
a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.


It’s my assertion that, as long as objections to open and honest feedback hinder free discourse in this discussion thread (for those people who request such feedback), what we have here is NOT truly a “forum”, and that word as applied here is actually a misnomer. I’m flattered that you want my opinion regarding your performance, tyschyko, and I’ll be happy to provide it. However, I’ll only be commenting privately henceforth, until such a time as the Adult Beginners Forum is indeed fully supported as a true forum, where honest and well-intended feedback can be provided. So, please check your messages for my thoughts on your piece.
Posted By: Sam S Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/21/21 05:13 PM
Originally Posted by SMA55
Originally Posted by tyschoco
Originally Posted by SMA55
So, I think I'm going to revert to my previous stance of not publicly commenting anymore. It will certainly be less trouble for me to just listen to these recitals and then only discuss any opinions I have behind the scenes with those who are interested in a more honest and free exchange of ideas--even ones involving a grim reaper and his scythe. wink

Heya SMA55, i just wanted to say that i actually really like your more honest and straightforward type of feedback given its the type of comment i was hoping to get on my playing. I was wondering if you would be so kind if you could listen to my submission and provide your feedback on my playing? I would greatly appreciate it as i want to get a second opinion on the flaws of my playing and compare it with my own perception of my flaws and strengths. I think it would greatly help me in my own development.

This is the first time i am giving feedback to people in a recital as i am relatively new here. I have been hoping to find a good balance on giving critique and encouraging the effort put in by the players. I understand everyone here has different experience level and expectations they have set for themselves for their playing and i have been trying to cater each of the responses in relation to the player's skill level, experience as well as the difficulty of the piece they are tackling. Personally i am tending towards more detailed critique the more experienced the player is and the closer to the professional level the piece of music is (Such as Level 9 RCM pieces or higher in difficulty). Hopefully so far my feedback has been meeting that happy medium i am aiming for. Please let me know if anyone feels my critique is unwarranted too! :')

From the Oxford English Dictionary:

Fo-rum

noun
1. 
a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.


It’s my assertion that, as long as objections to open and honest feedback hinder free discourse in this discussion thread (for those people who request such feedback), what we have here is NOT truly a “forum”, and that word as applied here is actually a misnomer. I’m flattered that you want my opinion regarding your performance, tyschyko, and I’ll be happy to provide it. However, I’ll only be commenting privately henceforth, until such a time as the Adult Beginners Forum is indeed fully supported as a true forum, where honest and well-intended feedback can be provided. So, please check your messages for my thoughts on your piece.

No one is stopping you from posting - as is evident here. Or commenting on performances in the forum. Go for it!

Sam
Posted By: Talão Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/21/21 07:04 PM
Thank you PianogrlNW, peterws, tyschoco, Sam S, and Rachtoven for taking the time to listen to my piece and to provide feedback. I greatly appreciate it. Past few days were busy at work. I hope to be able to listen to a few more tomorrow.

Originally Posted by PianogrlNW
Very enjoyable performance. You get a nice tone from your piano, have good sense of balance, dynamics and even tempo. I can see you’re moving quickly to more challenging pieces. Congratulations!

Thank you! Nice to hear the piano tone is coming across in a good way. This was my first time attempting another recording setup (different mic and different position) and I also like it better (than my previous setup) myself.

Originally Posted by peterws
You played this like, note perfect as far as I can tell. You're well ready to take it to new heights! Dig into those notes! Let the piano know who is the Master around here . . .
The Piano sounded so clear.

Thank you! Good to hear from a second person commenting on the piano sound, which makes me believe it wasn't just my impression that it got better this time around. When you say "dig into those notes" did you mean it literally? I'm asking because my teacher also mentions something along these lines. He thinks I worry about my pp being very low and that makes me hold back too much on letting the arm weight make the sound. He says uprights are louder than grands (when trying to play soft) and that I should focus more on "kneading the dough" and letting my hand sink into the keyboard, even if that means my pp is a bit louder than I wanted.

Originally Posted by tyschoco
For your first ever sonatina, this was really good. Nice and clean and steady. I can tell you your little mess ups do not intrude on the listeners enjoyment of the piece. Your effort in the phrasing and dynamics are coming through as well. You chose an interesting articulation for the left hand accompaniment in the second movement too. A very nice alternative take on it. Your touch is light and your piano is well voiced which lends to the character of the piece.
If there's any critique to be had, there are some places where the left hand takes on a melodic motif that could be brought out more to provide a bit of conversation between the hands. Ornaments can be a tad bit more graceful to maintain the character of the piece. Another small tip that i found helpful is in the arppegiated chords towards the end of the piece (or in any place where you want a little more sound), you can choose to press down on the right pedal after you play the notes to allow a little bit more resonance to cut through, then lift with pedal along with your fingers. Other than that, perhaps a more pronounced sense of direction would serve the music better. But most of these are musical details which will come as you become more developed over time, because i think this was a splendid take given where you currently are at, well done.

Wow! This is such a detailed and helpful commentary. Thank you so much! As for what you're calling alternative take, I wasn't even aware. I had only listened to one professional pianist play this piece and I went along similar lines (I think). Thanks for pointing out the points the LH is more melodic and could be brought out. To be honest, this probably escaped my attention and I didn't realize it (I played the hole piece focusing on RH melody only). I'll go back to the score and look for these measures to experiment with what you propose. 100% agree on the ornaments comment. I'm still not where I'd like to be (ornaments sounding light like a butterfly flapping its wings). It has improved from a year ago, but even I can hear it now when it's too harsh. I'll also experiment with pedaling after the arpeggiated chords as you said. I wasn't pedaling anywhere at all, except for one note in the very beginning of movement 2 where it's a must. I like to have these "what to aim for" ideas in the back of my mind, even if I'm not yet technically good enough to implement them all.

Originally Posted by Sam S
I have played this - and taught it in my brief experience at student teaching. I would be very proud of you if you were my student! One thing you can try, in the first mvt, a slight retard before the recap is common - experiment with it - you did one in the 2nd mvt very well. Don't worry about the little bobbles here and there - they are of no consequence. The grace note in the 1st mvt - you ply it like 99% of people play it - but I had one slightly pedantic teacher who insisted it be played on the beat, since that would be more historically accurate for the time period and style of this piece. Try it, but you will stand out as different.

I'm honored to learn you'd have been proud of me if I were your student. Thank you! Will experiment with the ritardando as you suggest. Yes, grace note on the beat. My teacher is more strict with me for baroque pieces and less so for later pieces. I actually sat at the piano last night and tried starting the ornament on the beat. It was so weird and threw me off! :-)
Posted By: AndresVel Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/21/21 08:41 PM
Thank you Rachtoven, and Sam for your nice words on my submission. I very much appreciate it.

Originally Posted by bSharp(C)yclist
14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779)

Hi Andres, nice job on the invention! I can try to give some feedback, since I learned this before and played for an exam.

Bars 2 to 3 -...
Thank you very much bSharp for such a detailed feedback. I really appreciate it. I get your idea regarding the dynamic variation in each voice as the piece develops and it is a very interesting one. I attempted it in a couple of spots but not in those you mention. I will for sure try them out. I like the principle your teacher calls lattice dynamics. Thank you very much again for taking the time to write this :)))) I second your teacher. I love Bach and like to have always a piece by him in my daily schedule at the piano.

Originally Posted by Qwerty53
14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779) Well done! Near the end, it seemed that your command of the music became stronger and more confident; surprising, because so often it’s the beginning we have practiced the most, and the later part of a piece that threatens to fall apart. I had the feeling that the more you played, the more the music warmed up and came together.
thank you Qwerty53 for your nice comment. I agree with you on your impression of my recording as the piece went on. I remember when choosing the recording I wanted to share in the recital and thinking exactly the same but did not really know what the reason was. Perhaps a bit more energy was needed in the first bars to make it more interesting. Thank you for listening :))


Originally Posted by facdo
14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779)
I have to say that your progress on the piano is amazing! You may see some people with 1 year of experience trying very difficult pieces, but in 99% of the cases the result is not good at all. I am much more impressed by someone playing progressively more difficult works as they get the experience for that, as you are doing. I played this piece before and I know how tricky it is. Your tempo is overall a bit slow, but that is good because you managed to play it very cleanly and evenly. Some people, like myself, rush for a faster tempo and the result is a mess. It takes discipline to stick to a tempo that you are comfortable, so keep doing that. I really liked your performance, but there is one very minor thing that I think you could work on to get your interpretation to another level. Perhaps you could work on that on the next inventions. It is the dynamic contrast between the voices. My teacher says that as a general rule for Bach you should put more emphasis on the voice that is playing the theme, so that emphasis will change between hands along the piece. But that is just a suggestion, since Bach didn’t notate anything on that. In any case, amazing work. Keep it up!
Thank you very much facdo for your nice words and for your feedback. I really appreciate it. I agree with you regarding tempo selection. I prefer to go for a slower one if that allows me control. The last aspect on a piece that we go for with my teacher is tempo. It is not that we do not care about it, but he (with much reason) prefers that I performed with clean articulation and dynamics in spite of the lower tempo than rushing through a piece and losing the rest. We try to push it as much as possible. For this invention, I have managed to play it cleanly faster, but not consistently enough for me to record it. Recording it imposes new challenges and attempting a faster tempo will end up being frustrating. That being said, it requires discipline as you mention. Good new is that I feel slowly being able to play new pieces somehow faster than before, so let's see how this develops.
Regarding the voice interplay all throughout the piece, I have to say I feel a bit sad that this did not come through in my playing. This is an aspect my teacher emphasizes a lot and we took our time with the sheet music to identify the theme and variations of it, and to make the entrances of each theme very clear. Knowing that it did not come through, makes me a bit sad since this was my main goal and I thought I was achieving that differentiation. I will try better for my next invention smile thank you very much for pointing that out and for taking the time to listen and comment on my playing :DD Your whole progress in your channel is very inspiring to me smile
Posted By: AndresVel Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/21/21 09:14 PM
I have been a bit late to post my comments. Here a new batch of them. Great job everyone. In line with the previous discussions, even though I do not always provide technical feedback given my short experience at the instrument, whenever I do, I provide it with the best of intentions. Personally, I enjoyed immensely listening to everyone's recordings. It is great to see everyone's progress and love for the piano. In addition, it is a very good learning exercise. Therefore, I value these recitals a lot, as well as the exchange of ideas we have in this discussion thread. I very much encourage everyone to comment and keep this tradition alive. We all love music and playing piano, so let's discuss and share respectfully smile

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) Good job on both pieces wouter79, specially with the No. 20. You shaped the melody nicely and added very good dynamics. I checked a recording of No. 24 to get an idea of the piece since it seemed a bit intricate after my first listening. I think you are on the right track. I would try to focus more on keeping the arpeggios very legato and to time the triplets with the quarter notes on the left hand, so that the pulse is clear. Overall a very good submission. Thank you for sharing and showing me some Heller. I have read a bit about him but had not checked his compositions smile

06. barbaram - Dansul Romanesc Great job barbaram. This indeed sounds very fun to play! I did not know the piece nor the composer, so thank you for showing some new music. Loved it. To the 40 pieces year challenge it goes smile

15. Serge88 - Boogie Blues Etude What a nice groove. Great feeling for that type of music. I loved also the use of the two cameras. Awesome job. Thanks for sharing.

16. vte - Vieux Noel in G minor Lovely piece, full of sadness in my opinion. From Frank I only know his violin sonata, which I love and enjoy very much. I did not know he had also solo piano compositions. Another composer to the list for my listening sessions. I liked your playing a lot. It set the mood perfectly, with very good use of dynamics and tempo. Lovely smile

25. Ganddalf - Tango I enjoyed this one a lot. Perfectly played! You have such a beautiful touch. There were many nuances all throughout the piece which made for a great listening experience. I ended up listening to it three times in a row. I also liked how you shaped some phrases and extended some endings. It fitted perfectly with the mood of the piece. Thank you for sharing smile

26. lilypad - The Bass Man Walketh Very groovy! I do not know much about the genre, so ti is hard for me to provide any feedback. Nevertheless, this was a very fun piece to listen to. Thank you very much for sharing smile

35. KevinM - Songs Without Words Opus 19 No. 1 Another new piece to me, and what a lovely surprise. I loved the piece in general, which maybe indicates I need to check out some other Mendelssohn compositions. I think you did a great job. The tempo is nicely preserved, there is no sense of you rushing it or slowing it down because of lack of control. I could notice what you mentioned regarding the accompaniment being too load compared to the melody. But your recording made me wonder whether this might be actually related to the settings or to the touch curve of your DP. It might be worth to check those also. But great job Kevin! I think you are almost there with this piece.

36. Talao - Sonatina in G Major Anh. 5 (both movements) Hola Talao! It is great you chose this one as your next piece! I am very happy you felt inspired by my submission in the last recital. That is very flattering and I feel very humbled that this was the case :)) I liked you version a lot! I noticed several things that differ from my take on it and that is awesome since it gives me a whole new listening experience. On your first movement: I liked the steady tempo you kept all throughout, I remember struggling with not speeding up in the second part of the exposition. The grace notes were very nice handled and you seemed very much in control of the performance. One thing I noticed was for example trying to give more dynamic variation to the right hand, specially in the development section, where you have the running scales. This impression might be related also to the recording itself, with the mics not picking up exactly what you listen when playing, so take it please with a grain of salt. I also wanted to share with you some ideas we discussed with my teacher when working on this piece (these are just for your to perhaps try them out for fun or if interested, I am not trying at all to suggest you should play it as I did or that you should change your interpretation): I think the first mvmt is very lively and happy, and therefore I did not join the left hand in the exposition, but kept it detached. It gave the piece a bit of a jumpy feeling which I liked very much. On the coda, I also tried to keep the alberti bass as quiet as possible, specially in the repeat. Again, these are just ideas I remembered discussing with my teacher that you might want to try for fun. On the 2nd mvmt: I liked it a lot, your choice of tempo gave it a very lively feeling to it. Your ornaments are again very well handled, and you also introduced very beautiful pauses which made it a pleasure to listen to. I find very interesting how our approaches are different. In contrast to the 1st mvmt, I tried here not to detach the left hand in the exposition and coda. You, on the other hand, added a bit of staccato feeling which served very well for the tempo you chose. I very much enjoyed your performance! The little mistake in the 2nd mvmt is really not important at all, you continued as if nothing had happened, and that is by itself a very good skill to possess. Awesome job Talao! :DDD

45. tyschoco - Sonatina in G Major, Op 55 No.2 1st Movement, Allegretto What a lovely mvmt. I am now tempted to learn it as well. I think you did amazing. The phrasing is very nice all throughout and you use of dynamics is outstanding. I also like how you give importance to the left hand in certain sections, which keeps things interesting during the entire recording. You showed also very good control of the tempo you chose. The only thing I would recommend if possible, is to slowly try to improve your recording set up. It makes such a difference in the quality and also helps you a lot more when you listen back your recordings trying to spot things to improve, which makes absolute sense at the stage you are with this piece for example, when polishing is the main goal. Very beautiful job. I feel inspired now smile

46. Pathbreaker - Alte Liebe Oh this was so beautiful. I have dived into Brahms music in the past month or so and I could not believe what I was missing out! He became very fast one of my favorite composers. This piece shows why. I went on to listen to the Lied, and the arrangement you chose is beautiful. Your playing was superb, so much control and nuances. Your feeling of tempo and your choice of rubato was great. In addition, your vst sound really good. i listened through headphones and the sound quality was amazing. Lovely submission.
Posted By: QuentinP Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 03:39 AM
Further thanks to Marie J, Peyton, Sam, Qwerty53, Rachtoven and facdo. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to say what they think!

facdo, I know what you mean about the fugue! It's pretty intimidating, but it's definitely on my (rather deluded) hit list. I think it would be great to be able to play the two together, they are spectacular.

To those who mentioned about acoustic vs digital, I think you are absolutely right (sorry Roland, I do love you but...); when I have played this on an acoustic the richness of the harmonies, especially as they decay into the empty spaces, is almost distracting. Almost too much. Almost.

It's so nice to be able to share some Bach here. I have to ration it out at home as Lady P describes it as "too plinky-plonky".
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 06:16 AM
27. Jason Lenthe - Nocturne in G Minor Op. 15 No. 3 Another new piece for me. I enjoyed your performance; the time on those technical exercises was clearly well spent.

28. rwsavory - The Poet Speaks - Op 15 "Scenes from Childhood" Not what I was expecting from the title; this would seem a rather somber recollection from childhood. Well-paced, and sensitively played.

29. bSharp(C)yclist (Dan) - Consolation, Op. 30, No. 3 Revisiting earlier pieces can be so rewarding, an opportunity to really see how far we’ve come since originally working on the score. Lovely rich tones from your C3X, a confident and relaxed performance!

30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer wow That takes bravery, to submit the very first piano piece you ever attempted. And what an amazing achievement in only 7 months. I’m looking forward to hearing lots more from you!
Posted By: wouter79 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 06:19 AM
Oh wow, I missed one weekend and now I'm way behind!

Originally Posted by Jason Lenthe
05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) Nicely done!

Thanks Jason!

Originally Posted by MarjeJ
05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) I’m not familiar with much of Heller’s work, but ‘he writes nice pieces indeed.’ I particularly liked the second part - well done, Wouter!

Marie thanks for your comments!

Originally Posted by QuentinP
5. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20)
No 24: Some unevenness in the RH rhythm was a little distracting but this sounds like a deceptively difficult number, and overall the tempo felt consistent. No 20: This had a lovely gentle energy. Well done on both
Good to hear. You're probably right about the RH rhythm but I don't hear it.

Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20)
As Talão noticed, it sounds a bit confusing at the beginning. I think the issue is that we can't hear the meter very well. I had to look at the score and was surprised to find that it's in 3/4. I can imagine that such an etude with long runs of triplets is quite challenging. I just finished one like that myself (May Morning by Charles Gounod) and it's difficult to keep it flowing evenly throughout the piece while maintaining the steady beat. The second one was very nice. I think it's the ideal tempo.
Thanks for your detailed comment! It might be the crushed first few notes that put the listener on the wrong leg but I may also need some accents somewhere to help the listener.
Posted By: wouter79 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 06:29 AM
Originally Posted by barbaram
5. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) (to do)

I’m entertained by the quote:
“At a time of universal decadence like the present, when art has fallen as low as it inevitably must whenever public opinion and the moral tone of society have become debased” 
I doubt there has ever been a time when there isn’t some cohort of society expressing precisely this idea :-)

:-)

Originally Posted by peterws
5 Wouter79

Darn good exercise for one's fingers. The second part was really nice and had a chunky feel to it which was played to perfection with good dynamics. Well done.

peter glad that you liked the 2nd part!

Originally Posted by Wie Waldi
05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) Nicely done. Loved the 2nd part after 1:20 most as it was executed very clear and controlled with a well rounded interpretation. Enjoyed the changes from legato to staccato. About the first part I had the impression it was a bit too challenging. As this seem to be extraordinary tricky you managed to made it through with a quite high speed. As a piano player I was impressed by that, but from a listeners perspective, I would have preferred a slower tempo with some more control.
Waldi, thanks for your detailed comments! Good that you like the 2nd piece. About the first piece, yes it was challenging, but I think I had it right.


Originally Posted by PianogrlNW
05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) I can’t find any pulse in Hill and Dale and the rhythm sounds off. It would sound better if the rhythm was correct and you played at a slower tempo. Not sure why that happened because Ballet has a clear, steady pulse.
Pianogrl thanks for your input! Maybe what happened is that there are insufficient pointers to the main beat. For the tempo, I think this is the right speed.
Posted By: wouter79 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 06:55 AM
Originally Posted by lilypad
05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) Thank you for my first introduction to Heller's music. I'm halfway through reading 'A Grand Obsession' where I heard about Grotrian pianos for the first time. I really like the sound of yours. 

lilypad, nice to hear. I didn't know this "grand obsession" story so I searched a bit. I suppose you refer to " Grand Obsession: A Piano Odyssey" by Perri Knize where Knize tries to recover her Grotrian's sound smile Yes I did a long search before I found my piano and luckily for me it sounds as good or better than in the showroom. I hear that distinct Grotrian sound better in the older Grotrians than in the new models. Also my Grotrian was completely restored, with lighter hammers. And having an excellent tech and tuner also are essential to get the sound you want.

Originally Posted by Calavera
05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) 
I liked the second piece better. I enjoyed its melody and quaint tone.
Thanks!

Originally Posted by facdo
05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) 
I love this collection of etudes and the No.20, Ballet, might just be my absolute favorite. It is nice that you are sharing these pieces on the recitals. I really liked your performance of the No.20, but the 24 I guess there is still a bit of work to improve the evenness of those arpeggios. In any case, I love that you are picking these etudes for the recitals. Thanks for sharin
Good to hear! Maybe unfortunately I don't hear this unevenness.


Originally Posted by Rachtoven
5. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20)

That was a very nice performance of the Ballet, and everything I hear of Heller is enjoyable and well-composed. 
rachtoven thanks!
Posted By: wouter79 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 07:10 AM
Originally Posted by SMA55
Hallelujah!  I'm seeing much less fluff and superficial pats on the back in the comments on these pieces, and much more meaningful and thoughtful feedback. This leads me to want to resume providing feedback myself. So here's my next few comments. (If I offend anyone, let me know, and I'll do my best not to comment on your submissions in the future. Deal?)

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) 
Your “Over Hill and Dale” is markedly uneven in the right hand throughout. I’m afraid you don’t have a handle on the timing of the right hand’s incessant triplets. So your attempting to play the piece even close to the required allegro tempo is premature. My suggestion is obviously to work on those triplets in isolation at a much slower tempo and gradually increase the tempo only when they’re rock solid at the preceding slower tempo. Only once you have that down pat are you allowed to come out of isolation. ?
Your “Ballet” is much more competently performed. It’s a beautiful piece, and it was a joy to hear you perform it. Good job!

LOL maybe you're right, les pats on the back and more thoughtful feedback here :-) Maybe I should consider posting feedback again.

Thanks for your detailed feedback! Good to hear you like the ballet and thanks for the compliments.

This timing issue is a tricky one. Thanks for your suggestion on how to work on this.

Unfortunately I don't hear it. I think it's related to my issues speeding up the scales, it took me years to get the a few scales at a decent speed. Years. Not weeks or months. Just a few scales. But even then, I don't know what the problem is. And even now I can't play these scales completely consistent, some days are good, some are bad.

Slowing down does nothing unless you know what you are working on, and I don't hear anything to work on. Some teachers I had also kept me playing scales I think also for this reason. I suspect one teacher even stopped teaching me over frustration to get this fixed. I think the only option is keep pushing and hoping it will gradually get better.
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 08:10 AM
Originally Posted by wouter79
This timing issue is a tricky one.
Unfortunately I don't hear it. I think it's related to my issues speeding up the scales, it took me years to get the a few scales at a decent speed. Years. Not weeks or months. Just a few scales. But even then, I don't know what the problem is. And even now I can't play these scales completely consistent, some days are good, some are bad.

Slowing down does nothing unless you know what you are working on, and I don't hear anything to work on. Some teachers I had also kept me playing scales I think also for this reason. I suspect one teacher even stopped teaching me over frustration to get this fixed. I think the only option is keep pushing and hoping it will gradually get better.

I reckon this is an issue with many of us. I've looked at YT vids, how to play fast runs up and down the keyboard, that sort o' thing. And in so may classical pieces you have this virtuoso flourish at the end or even throughout, requiring just that.
I too have tried!
Maybe I'll give it another go, but I wonder if it's something you have, or something you haven't.
Posted By: wouter79 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 08:48 AM
Peter, FAIK everyone has to practice scales so fast playing is not something you have. But you have to be able to *hear* an issue before you can do anything. My hope now is that you get better hearing at it once you get at these speeds, hence my attempt to keep pushing. But it's a VERY slow progress, think years.
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 10:18 AM
Originally Posted by wouter79
Originally Posted by SMA55
Hallelujah!  I'm seeing much less fluff and superficial pats on the back in the comments on these pieces, and much more meaningful and thoughtful feedback. This leads me to want to resume providing feedback myself. So here's my next few comments. (If I offend anyone, let me know, and I'll do my best not to comment on your submissions in the future. Deal?)

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) 
Your “Over Hill and Dale” is markedly uneven in the right hand throughout. I’m afraid you don’t have a handle on the timing of the right hand’s incessant triplets. So your attempting to play the piece even close to the required allegro tempo is premature. My suggestion is obviously to work on those triplets in isolation at a much slower tempo and gradually increase the tempo only when they’re rock solid at the preceding slower tempo. Only once you have that down pat are you allowed to come out of isolation. ?
Your “Ballet” is much more competently performed. It’s a beautiful piece, and it was a joy to hear you perform it. Good job!

LOL maybe you're right, les pats on the back and more thoughtful feedback here :-) Maybe I should consider posting feedback again.

Thanks for your detailed feedback! Good to hear you like the ballet and thanks for the compliments.

This timing issue is a tricky one. Thanks for your suggestion on how to work on this.

Unfortunately I don't hear it. I think it's related to my issues speeding up the scales, it took me years to get the a few scales at a decent speed. Years. Not weeks or months. Just a few scales. But even then, I don't know what the problem is. And even now I can't play these scales completely consistent, some days are good, some are bad.

Slowing down does nothing unless you know what you are working on, and I don't hear anything to work on. Some teachers I had also kept me playing scales I think also for this reason. I suspect one teacher even stopped teaching me over frustration to get this fixed. I think the only option is keep pushing and hoping it will gradually get better.

Please see the private message I sent.
Posted By: Pianist685 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 01:05 PM
03 SMA55 - Mozart Sonata "facile" No doubt, you are a fine pianist, and Mozart is always rather difficult. I would just like to post the impression I have from your interpretation of the 2nd movement (I have played myself). First, I think some recerb (added with Audacity) would improve the sound of your recording considerably; I was surprised that the melody is not really "singing" well, though your piano is top class. Second, I have the feeling the Andante should be played a bit faster; in your rendition, the "andante" walking tempo is based on eights, whereas I think it should rely on the fourths (i.e. fourths=76). Third, sorry, I do not mean to be impolite, I am just posting my subjective impression, IMHO you are lacking any lyrical feeling in this movement, do not yet seem to have discovered the beauty of the melody and play this piece just correctly from a technical point of view but with no dynamics and expression. The Alberti bass sounds all the same over the whole piece and gets quite boring after a while. The discussion room of the online recitals has one major disadvantage, we just have a lot of talking here; but if we met in person, I could show you at the piano how I would play this piece as well as you could show me how you would improve my own playing on the piece I submitted. Greetings from Germany.
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 02:52 PM
Originally Posted by Pianist685
03 SMA55 - Mozart Sonata "facile" No doubt, you are a fine pianist, and Mozart is always rather difficult. I would just like to post the impression I have from your interpretation of the 2nd movement (I have played myself). First, I think some recerb (added with Audacity) would improve the sound of your recording considerably; I was surprised that the melody is not really "singing" well, though your piano is top class. Second, I have the feeling the Andante should be played a bit faster; in your rendition, the "andante" walking tempo is based on eights, whereas I think it should rely on the fourths (i.e. fourths=76). Third, sorry, I do not mean to be impolite, I am just posting my subjective impression, IMHO you are lacking any lyrical feeling in this movement, do not yet seem to have discovered the beauty of the melody and play this piece just correctly from a technical point of view but with no dynamics and expression. The Alberti bass sounds all the same over the whole piece and gets quite boring after a while. The discussion room of the online recitals has one major disadvantage, we just have a lot of talking here; but if we met in person, I could show you at the piano how I would play this piece as well as you could show me how you would improve my own playing on the piece I submitted. Greetings from Germany.

Thank you! I've sent you a PM.
Posted By: AndresVel Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 06:47 PM
Some new comments from my side

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1 This is my favorite Satie piece so I am always happy when I get to listen to it. Lovely piece selection wink I liked that you kept a nice steady tempo, there is no feeling of rushing or losing the beat all throughout. I hope that you continue working on this MarieJ. It is for sure a keeper in your repertoire and it is in my opinion totally worth the effort to keep polishing it little by little. Lovely :))

17. dumka1 - Prelude Op. 11 no 2 I loved this one dumka!! Awesome playing. I actually check the score while listening. I liked a lot your use of dynamics. and the way you played with the different voices. Your phrasing was very good all throughout and I liked the way you took time to shape the phrases specially before the main theme returned. I enjoyed this one a lot. Scriabin is such an interesting composer. Hopefully soon I will be able to tackle some of his compositions.

27. Jason Lenthe - Nocturne in G Minor Op. 15 No. 3 Thank you for submitting a nocturne. They are such gems that is always great to have at least one in the submissions. I think you are on the right track to get an amazing rendition of this piece. I liked your sense of rhythm, and how you managed to join together the very distinct sections of this piece. As a suggestion if I may, I would try to add more dynamic contrast to the first section with the repeated motifs (the slurs), trying also to give a bit more direction and rubato to the phrases. This applies also to the articulation of the accentuated slurs, trying to enhance the accentuated 1/4-notes and softening the following 1/2 notes. The choral-like part was lovely. I would focus on voicing the chords a bit more to highlight the melody. Great job Jason, I very much enjoyed it :))

37. Purrblast - Sonatina in A minor (Op. 27. No. 18) What a cool sonatina! You left hand was on fire!! I loved how you kept the left hand steady with those staccatos but gave it also the chance to join the right hand as well when the dynamics required it. I was following the score and I liked a lot as well how you gave direction and articulated the different phrases. Lovely submission! I need to explore that Op 27 a bit more. Thank you for sharing. PS: the lighting in your video was spot on smile
Once more a wonderful recital; I'm so happy to be part of this. Thanks to every performer, and to Sam for the heavy lifting.

Here's my first batch of comments:

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu
Rapid finger work there. Very impressive stuff.

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545
Really excellent performance, and a very fine audio quality also.

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20)
Well done! The first part was amazingly fast (kudos), but the music didn't strike my fancy. The second part was delightful however.

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1
The Gnossienes are great, and your rendition of this one is very fine indeed ... actually, I like your version better than the Ciccolini version that I have on CD!

08. Peyton - Gnossienne For Stella
Initially it sounds as if you're literally channeling Satie, then later it sounds as if he came back to Earth and got inspired by Hovhaness and modern minimalists. Mesmerizing.

10. Flygbladet - Tonbilder part 2 "barnmenuett" (Childrens menuett)
Andree is not someone I ever heard about before, so this was extra interesting. Very dramatic rendition.

11. JJHLH - Feuillet d'Album Op 45, No 1
Elegant and subtle playing, and mysterious (but I can't wrap my head around Scriabins music, so mysterious was inevitable). smile

12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576
Harpsichord, and the corresponding era in music will probably never win me completely over. But damn, this was impressive! It sounded like a radio-broadcast matinee concert from a church somewhere.

13. Alpha Terminus - Lotus Land
Scott is new to me ... I think ... At any rate your playing had excellent drive and energy, yet retained an interesting quirky feel to the music.

14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779)
Amazing performance for so little experience. Great evenness, and a very good flow.

16. vte - Vieux Noel in G minor
Nice to see some Franck in there. Fine playing, conveying clearly an almost sombre mood.

17. dumka1 - Prelude Op. 11 no 2
Another mysterious Scriabin piece. Played absolutely beautifully (and I really liked the overall sound; great atmosphere).

18. psyche23 (Edwin) - Le Piccadilly
This is so near perfect it sounds as if coming straight off a major label CD. Excellent performance!

20. QuentinP - WTK 1 Prelude 8 Eb minor
This was clearly a deeply felt performance, and the feeling made the jump to this listener. Really nice work!

22. mmathew - Waltz in a minor, B.150 Posth
This was good; the melody came across exactly like I think it should. Maybe a bit too liberal use of the sustain pedal.

23. peterws - Winter
Very nice playing, and I have to say the "Album for the young" really got the best of Tjaikovskys melodies for piano, so if you were to knock yourself out on those, I would completely understand it.

24. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata K331 1st Movement - Andante grazioso
What a massive effort! And the final result, from a listeners perspective, was pure pleasure. Brilliant!

25. Ganddalf - Tango
Well I didn't know the work before, but I found everything to be expertly and elegantly performed, so whatever technical shortcomings you are thinking of, they certainly are well hidden. smile
Posted By: wouter79 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 07:29 PM
24 PianogrlNW (Ellen) Sonata K331 1st Movement - Andante grazioso

Aaah, thanks, just what I needed right now after a busy week. Very nice playing and excellent articulation. Love the alternating and mixed staccato and legato with very little pedaling. :-)

Didn't you want to add the alla turca part? Not that I miss it after your piece, but just curious.
Posted By: Sam S Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 07:38 PM
My last comments! Another great recital in the books - so much excellent playing at all levels...

01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky What fun! I loved it. A great end to the recital for me, since I am working backwards and you are the last I listened to. Bravo - had to laugh at the ending!

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu A really admirable attempt at a very difficult piece. Not perfect, of course, and you will probably get a lot of flack for just trying it. My suggestion is to take what you have learned and move on to pieces that are simpler and do not consume all your time! But well done, and welcome to the recitals!

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545 Yeah, that Alberti bass is a crippler, especially at a fast tempo. I had to choose a Mozart sonata to do at school, and I avoided this one like the proverbial plague. I did k332 instead, which has very little Alberti bass. My arthritis just can't handle it. But your scale passages are great - very smooth. A few notes stand out here and there. I have heard some truly bad performances of this at school and in student recitals - you are much better than most of the undergrads I heard attempt this. The 2nd mvt is good - my suggestion is to use a bit more articulation - those ascending scales - separate the notes - put some space between them. There are other places where that would be useful too. The last mvt sounded good - just a few spots that didn't seem prepared to the same level for that tempo, but overall it could probably be faster. Allegretto Grazioso right - I think? So not allegro, but everything Mozart seems better faster. But excellent job overall and a significant achievement! Now move on to something non-Mozart...

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20) Whoa, slow down! I think others have already mentioned some confusion at the beginning of the first one. My suggestion is to just slow it down, at least until you get it under control. Playing it at a manageable tempo is maybe not as fast as you want to go, but it will probably sound a lot better. Now the second piece is excellent - none of those problems. Great ending!

06. barbaram - Dansul Romanesc It does sound like fun! And it sounds like you are having a great time playing it. I have some Musica Ferrum books, but not this one. The owner used to post here, but I haven't seen anything from him in a while. Well done!

Sam
Posted By: dumka1 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 07:55 PM
Thanks so much, AndresVel, Sam S, Qwerty53, facdo, Rachtoven, MarieJ, QuentinP, peterws, ranjit, tyschoco, Wie Waldi, and lilypad for your generous comments on my Scriabin submission--even from those of you who are not fans of Scriabin smile. I myself had never been into Scriabin much, but my teacher suggested his preludes, and I was interested in trying a new composer. This prelude is considered not too difficult, and indeed technically it's very doable, but, as I mentioned in my submission, it turned out to be harder than it looked at first--mainly at the musical level, with all the repetitions, but even learning the notes properly took me longer than I expected; there was something a bit different and unpredictable about the melody and harmony there.

I'm so grateful for all the comments and feel a bit guilty not to be able to provide feedback this time, but for me as an educator, whose semester is starting next week, and with two children, one about to leave for college and the other just having started a new school, this is the craziest time of the year. I always listen to all the submissions and have started this time as well--and always appreciate the skill and the dedication that goes into each recording. The only brief comment I have is for Ellen's Mozart submission, because I played the entire sonata a couple of years ago. I didn't take it to the performance level and never recorded it, so I know how challenging it is, especially the last fast variation--congratulations, Ellen, on such a delightful and elegant performance! I think you'll enjoy the 2nd movement quite a bit, not to mention the famous third one.

And congratulations to everybody on another great recital.
Continuing with my second batch of comments:

27. Jason Lenthe - Nocturne in G Minor Op. 15 No. 3
That was very fine playing; there is so much going on in that work, and you held it all together. Really well done!

28. rwsavory - The Poet Speaks - Op 15 "Scenes from Childhood"
I love this piece; it's so deep. Because of the slow and dreamy movement it's also rather tricky to play (I have tried, and failed). You have clearly mastered it, and it sounded just right.

29. bSharp(C)yclist (Dan) - Consolation, Op. 30, No. 3
Might just be my favourite Mendelssohn piano work, and you performed it beautifully, so this listener is happy. smile

30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer
This would be good for someone with years of experience. For only seven months, it's mindblowing.

32. Maira713 - Op. 1 No. 4 ("24 Short and Easy Pieces for Keyboard")
Both work and composer are new to me, so thank you for choosing this piece. I think this tempo works perfectly fine, and your timing is very accurate. Excellent work!

33. joangolfing - Air Suisse Op. 36 No.5
Clementi is not on my regular playlist, and I could not notice where your "tempo liberties" were happening. It seemed to me you kept it flowing at a good pace. Good work!

34. Moo smile - Songs without words opus 38 no 3
Insanely rapid arpeggios! How such a feat is even possible I have yet to discover. Impressive!

35. KevinM - Songs Without Words Opus 19 No. 1
This was just lovely playing. I like the tempo used, it allows the piece to "breathe tranquility" (if this makes sense).

36. Talao - Sonatina in G Major Anh. 5 (both movements)
This was a very fine performance in it's own right, and all the more so in the light of your brief experience. And the sound quality was quite excellent.
Posted By: facdo Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 08:45 PM
Last batch of comments:

25. Ganddalf - Tango
I like how you pick less familiar works for these recitals. In this case, although I think this piece is quite famous it still fits that category as Albeniz is less performed than most of the popular composers. I think that if you were picking popular pieces, instead of exposing your technical shortcomings as you mentioned, you would be showing off your skills. As always, your performance is excellent, and you play everything at a very high level. It is a pleasure to listen, so thank you for your submission.

26. lilypad - The Bass Man Walketh
I love this “walking bass” style and this looks indeed very fun to play. Very nice performance. Well done!

27. Jason Lenthe - Nocturne in G Minor Op. 15 No. 3
Very nice! Always a pleasure to listen to a Chopin nocturne. I think you have complete technical mastery of this piece and musically you are on the right track. But there is one thing which I think it was missing, and it is also something I struggle a lot in the nocturnes that I learned, which is bringing up that nocturne quality. This is a bit of a subjective and elusive musical aspect, but as I understand it is closely related to dynamics, having a more intimate touch. In your case, I think that would translate into having an overall more tender and cantabile touch, with softer dynamics. Sometimes that is extremely hard to achieve, but I am just mentioning it as I think you could benefit from this feedback. You might not change anything your are doing currently in this piece, but just think about this for the next nocturnes or the other pieces with similar style. I think mastering that “nocturne” quality is almost impossible, but we can develop that over time and get better at evoking those musical aspects. In any case, I really enjoyed listening to your playing and I am looking forward to listen to more of your submissions in the upcoming recitals.


28. rwsavory - The Poet Speaks - Op 15 "Scenes from Childhood"
Oh, this is such a beautiful piece and your playing really captures the essence of it. Really well played and great piano tone.

29. bSharp(C)yclist (Dan) - Consolation, Op. 30, No. 3
I love Mendelssohn’s SWW and this was the second one I learned. It is a short piece, but with deceptively difficult musical aspects. I think you handled those musical challenges very well and I really enjoyed listening to your performance. I can’t hear an issue in your chords, as you mentioned in the comment. One of the challenges of this piece is voicing the melody on those chords and I think you did that quite well. Perhaps in one or another chord that voicing was not so clear, but I think that was not an issue at all and your performance was very solid and refined. Made me want to listen you playing more SWW smile

30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer
I can’t believe that you have less than 1 year of experience and never had proper lessons. That is an amazing progress! Your performance is very good, but be careful with excessive tension in your hands. As I can see from the video, it seems that your left hand is a bit tense, because you keep your thumb “armed” when it is not being used and sometimes you raise your fingers up, instead of keeping then relaxed on the keys. The technique for piano uses a lot of weight transferring, arm and wrist movements, instead of relying only on finger action. It seems that you are relying mostly on finger action, which I would assume is the predominant technique for accordion. For piano that technique is important, but we generally complement using other types of movements as well. So just keep that in mind and maybe you could exercise those other basic movements with other pieces. Shorter, easier pieces are good for working on establishing a good foundation for the piano technique, so I would recommend not skipping those. I started with Bartok’s Mikrokosmos, book 1, and I think it is a good collection to work on those fundamentals. In any case, I don’t want to take away your merit of learning a rather complex piece and being able to play it very well so soon in your piano journey. That is awesome, keep it up!

31. winterflower - I soar now the embers have cooled
It took me a while to realize that you were improvising. Very cohesive and harmonical for an improvisation. That was very nice and I would love to hear more of your improvisations.

32. Maira713 - Op. 1 No. 4 ("24 Short and Easy Pieces for Keyboard")
Such a simple, but lovely piece and you played it well. But just one thing to work on, try playing the left-hand softer, so the melody in the right hand can sing better. You will get that dynamic control with time. Looking at the video I can see that your form is excellent, and your technique is clean and without excessive tension. I am looking forward to see your progress.

33. joangolfing - Air Suisse Op. 36 No.5
I love these sonatinas. They have great pedagogical value and are also very impressive sounding pieces. Your performance was very good, and I enjoyed listening, but I think you could work a bit more on differentiating the dynamics of the two hands. In some parts, such as the passage with Alberti bass, your left hand was almost at the same level as the melody in the right hand. I think your interpretation would raise to a higher level if your left hand was a bit softer overall. But your playing was very clean and well articulate, it is just a small detail on the dynamics that I think you could do to improve even more.

34. Moo smile - Songs without words opus 38 no 3
Wow, that was very impressive. So many arpeggios and you handled them really well. I also liked how you were able to sing the melody, really bringing the “song” aspect of this piece. Amazing work.

35. KevinM - Songs Without Words Opus 19 No. 1
Oh, that was beautiful! Such tenderness and a really wonderful dolce cantabile melody. Your performance is very clean, technically and dynamically accurate, and your sense of phrasing is excellent. If you don’t mind a suggestion, and this is really the only point I think you could address to improve your interpretation even further, I think you could use a bit of rubato. It is hard to point out exactly how and where, but I guess that in the transitions between motifs and according to the phrasing. I think rubato is the only thing preventing your interpretation of reaching a “professional level”. That might not even be your goal, but I think your playing is that close. But really, excellent playing, thanks for sharing!

36. Talao - Sonatina in G Major Anh. 5 (both movements)
Really well played. Such a clean and expressive performance. Bravo! The only issue I can think of is regarding the dynamic balance between the hands. You are singing the right hand melody just fine, but I think your performance would benefit from an overall softer left-hand. I think I am commenting this a lot on this recital and it might be something that the MP3 audio compressing is messing up. I am only pointing out because I am sure you have the technical capability to do that and I think it is something that you can easily address that will raise your performance to an even higher level. On a side note, it is very interesting that you are documenting your progress with the number of hours. I am subscribing to your channel and looking forward to see your playing at 10000 hours smile

37. Purrblast - Sonatina in A minor (Op. 27. No. 18)
I think this was the last piece I learned as a kid, before stop playing for a very long time. I remember that I had such a hard time trying to play it and I think I got frustrated and quit. Your play it at a much higher level than I did. It is amazing how you bring the fine nuances on dynamics, articulation and phrasing. Really excellent performance. Awesome work, keep it up.

38. facdo - Impromptu in E flat Major Op.90 No.2
My own performance. I think this recording was a bit premature as the B section and coda wasn’t quite ready. I hope to keep playing it and do another recording on the future. Hopefully with the other 3 impromptus from the set.

39. Snejana - Contemplation
That was beautiful! It doesn’t sound like an improvisation. I can see that this is a skill that you can practice and train like any other skill. I think your efforts in exercising this skill are really paying off.

40. PikaPianist - Waltz Op. 39, No. 9
Oh, such a fun little gem played at a very high level. It is amazing how these simple works can sound incredible when played by very skilled pianists. This was a joy to listen, so thanks for sharing.

41. Augustina - Expression
Beautiful piece and very well played. I didn’t know the composer, but sounds like Einaudi. Thanks for introducing me to one of her lovely works.

42. Amy H - Story of You
Your playing is so expressive, and you have a wonderful delicate touch. This was such a pleasure to listen that I had to play it twice in a row. So beautiful, thank you for sharing!

43. selfishplayer - Keyboard concerto no.7 in g minor BWV - 1058 first movement - Allegro piano solo
That is a very impressive piece and you handled its complexity quite well. Great work!

44. Rachtoven - Consolation No. 3
I love this piece and I wanted to play it so many times. But I was always scared by the musical challenges. It is so hard to do that left hand figuration softly while singing a delicate melody on top of that, and you did that beautifully! I can’t believe that you only have 3 years of piano experience. Bravo!

45. tyschoco - Sonatina in G Major, Op 55 No.2 1st Movement, Allegretto
Very nice! Your performance super clean, vibrant, well-articulated and well-phrased. Your technique seems really good ,and you have a lot of finger dexterity. I am sure you will reach a high level at the piano in a short amount of time. The only thing I think you could do to raise your performance to an even higher level would be working on the dynamic balance between hands. I think you could play the left-hand a bit softer in the passages that it is doing the accompaniment. In some places, the left-hand has a melodic role, and you are emphasizing that well. But as an accompaniment, for instance, in the Alberti bass figurations, I think it could be a bit softer. Just a small detail for you to think about. Maybe it is just audio compression from the recording process that is limiting the dynamic range. But in any case, that is a good skill to develop and you should have full control over the dynamics in both hands if you want to improve your playing as much as possible. It takes time to achieve, but I am sure you will get there. In any case, really great work, keep it up!

46. Pathbreaker - Alte Liebe
This is a really beautiful piece and your playing is fantastic. A real pleasure to listen. Thanks for sharing!


Again, thank you to everyone who participated in this recital. I had a great time listening smile
Posted By: Wie Waldi Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 10:44 PM
Thanks PianogrlNW, peterws, Rachtoven, Sam S and MarieJ for your time listening and for your kind words and compliments.

@AndresVel: same situation in my place, except I am not that much commited to piano-playing as you (no teacher, no course, no method book, ...cheap digi). My friends and relatives don't play instruments. Some did as kid, but that's long time ago and gone. And I love this forum here, much more than the German ones. (Sad to say, German forum is a ideology war)

Originally Posted by peterws
30 Wie Waldi
Decent job here, steadily played and . . .entertaining! Nice nice! A bit more pfazz, maybe?
Neither me nor my dictionary know you mean with "pfazz" confused, but I am working on it. Promise! smile

Originally Posted by tyschoco
30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer
I have to say given you are relatively early in the learning journey, this is a very good attempt. Very steady and rather clean. And certainly even if the piece is slightly simplified, it is still no small feat to play it as it is 4 minutes long with quite a few technical difficulties. You should be very proud of your accomplishment. I think as you get better, when you revisit this piece in a year or two, you will be able to put more energy and liveliness into this piece. Great listen!
Thanks a lot, tyschoco. Indeed, I am very proud of this. And I hope this will get better when I revisit it. But then I will try out the original version, at cost of liveliness again. But as I want to keep this piece in my repertoire, that energy should come over time from alone.

Originally Posted by Ted
30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer
Oops, I forgot to comment on this one. Speaking as one who has had a lifetime infatuation with ragtime I think you instinctively have the spirit and rhythm of it, which is the one thing many players who attempt it lack, so you have a distinct advantage. All you have to do is gradually work your way through rags of increasing technical difficulty, taking care to bring out the music and dodge the ninety miles an hour trap, regrettably fashionable again in some circles. More fine ragtime has been created in the last thirty or so years than in the whole of its history, so you are not limited to Joplin, Scott and Lamb. David Thomas Roberts, Frank French, Hal Isbitz, Reginald Robinson, Scott Kirby and several others with prolific output await the pleasure of your exploration. The point is that you have the rhythm and phrasing of these things, which is rarer among pianists than most people suppose.
Thank you very much, Ted for your in-depth comment. That makes hope to continue, as I am right now stuck into learning something new. It's frustrating to start over from scratch with a new piece, being slow again. So I must do more basic stuff now, learn to read music and the like. But this feels weird as The Entertainer is much more advanced and already kind of polished. In comparison to that, everything new makes me feel like a toddler. Anyway, the next rag on my todo-list is Easy Winners. (It says something with easy in the title, so why not?) And I very much like Kristen Mosca's interpretation of "This is Me". A very beautiful arrangement that starts contemporary and ends up as ragtime. Maybe in two years or so... And I will have a look on the composers you named.

Originally Posted by MarieJ
30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer wow That takes bravery, to submit the very first piano piece you ever attempted. And what an amazing achievement in only 7 months. I’m looking forward to hearing lots more from you!
Thanks for putting so much pressure on me. crazy
Posted By: Serge88 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 10:59 PM
First batch,

01. Qazsedcft - Sneaky
Well done and good recording.

02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu
Beautiful ! I hope you'll be there for the next recital.

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545
Nice performance !

04. Sam S - Etude 2
Melancholic and beautiful.

05. wouter79 - Op.45, Over Hill and Dale (24), Ballet (20)
I enjoyed your piece. I didn't know this composer.

06. barbaram - Dansul Romanesc
Well played.

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1
Well done and I'm not tire of listen to Eric Satie

08. Peyton - Gnossienne For Stella
Wonderful composition !

09. QuasiUnaFantasia - Stimmungsbilder, opus 9 no. 4: Traumerei
Interesting piece. Well done !

10. Flygbladet - Tonbilder part 2 "barnmenuett" (Childrens menuett)
Nice playing,

11. JJHLH - Feuillet d'Album Op 45, No 1
Beautiful !

12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576
Harpsichord ! Well played.
Posted By: lilypad Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 11:02 PM
Thank you Sam S, Querty53, MarieJ, AndresVel and facdo for listening and nice comments.
Posted By: Serge88 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/22/21 11:37 PM
More,

13. Alpha Terminus - Lotus Land
Nice performance.

14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779)
Good challenge and well played.

15. Serge88 - Boogie Blues Etude
Don't give up. One day you'll be good.

16. vte - Vieux Noel in G minor
Already Christmas ? Well done.

17. dumka1 - Prelude Op. 11 no 2
I didn't notice the error. Beautiful.

18. psyche23 (Edwin) - Le Piccadilly
A great lively ragtime !

19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements
Good improvisation ! I enjoyed it.

20. QuentinP - WTK 1 Prelude 8 Eb minor
Really nice.

21. Calavera - Theme of Love
Good playing.

22. mmathew - Waltz in a minor, B.150 Posth
Well played.
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/23/21 12:44 AM
Originally Posted by Sam S
03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545 Yeah, that Alberti bass is a crippler, especially at a fast tempo. I had to choose a Mozart sonata to do at school, and I avoided this one like the proverbial plague. I did k332 instead, which has very little Alberti bass. My arthritis just can't handle it. But your scale passages are great - very smooth. A few notes stand out here and there. I have heard some truly bad performances of this at school and in student recitals - you are much better than most of the undergrads I heard attempt this. The 2nd mvt is good - my suggestion is to use a bit more articulation - those ascending scales - separate the notes - put some space between them. There are other places where that would be useful too. The last mvt sounded good - just a few spots that didn't seem prepared to the same level for that tempo, but overall it could probably be faster. Allegretto Grazioso right - I think? So not allegro, but everything Mozart seems better faster. But excellent job overall and a significant achievement! Now move on to something non-Mozart...
I very much appreciate the great feedback, Sam! Sent you a PM.
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/23/21 12:48 AM
Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545
Really excellent performance, and a very fine audio quality also.

Originally Posted by Serge88
03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545
Nice performance !

Thank you both for the kind words!
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/23/21 04:21 AM
31. winterflower - I soar now the embers have cooled I was very impressed that this was an improvised performance, and thought that the title was intriguing. (Did the embers belong to the Werner upright? smile ) You captured a dark nocturnal mood - nicely done!

32. Maira713 - Op. 1 No. 4 ("24 Short and Easy Pieces for Keyboard") A short and extremely sweet choice, beautifully played.

33. joangolfing - Air Suisse Op. 36 No.5 This was lovely just as it is. Pieces like this, that are enjoyable from Day 1 and continue to challenge, are gems.

34. Moo smile - Songs without words opus 38 no 3 A truly scintillating performance - congratulations!
Another amazing recital! I love hearing all the submissions and reading the comments and feedback. Thank you for listening and for making comments on my piece. The ABF quarterly recital is a very rare and unique space. I always listen to everything and have many thoughts about the music everyone shares but I'm quite bad at sharing my thoughts so the actual number of posts from me is very small. First I will try to post the missing information from my submission (maybe a bit more than that).

Originally Posted by Sam S
46. Pathbreaker - Alte Liebe A little more info would be helpful. Program notes. Is this a Brahms song transcribed by Reger? Just guessing. But you played it very well - nice voicing and crescendo to the climax. Well done!

Sam

Thanks for the feedback. I tripped over the finish line and really wish I had included more information. Looks like this is going to be a long post.

5 Songs, Op. 72 no. 1 – Alte Liebe (Brahms)
For piano solo (Max Reger)

Found here in the Arrangements and Transcriptions section: https://imslp.org/wiki/5_Songs,_Op.72_(Brahms,_Johannes)


One of my favorite pieces by Brahms is op. 76 no. 1 in f# minor. In my obsession, I mean research, I found information about a thematic link between that piece and this song op. 72 no. 1. I did a lot of reading about this song, Alte Liebe. After playing op 76 no. 1 for many years, I felt a need to retire the piece. The discovery of the op. 72/1 was very helpful in doing that.

After listening to the song for some time I eventually stumbled on this transcription for solo piano by Max Reger. I was never able to find any audio for this version as piano solo. My interpretation is mostly inspired by a performance of the original song by Bernarda Fink. I prefer the intimacy of her version compared to some of the more dramatic versions.

Here it is: Johannes Brahms - Alte Liebe, Op. 72/1 by Bernarda Fink and Roger Vignoles

Alternate version for male voice: Brahms: Fünf Gesänge Op.72 - 1. Alte Liebe · Thomas Quasthoff · Justus Zeyen


This is a different submission compared to all my others, I think. It's an older recording that I found recently. I normally would submit a recording that is made specifically for each recital. I know that it’s not a requirement but it’s the approach I like to take.

A bit of explanation:
I don’t know how I arrived at the final version of this recording. I remembered this piece as being surprisingly quick to learn. For the transcriptions recital, I planned to resurrect the piece with new thoughts and a new piano. Somehow I really struggled to relearn this piece in the amount of time I expected. There were so many things to consider in the playing and the interpretation that it was going painfully slow. In the end I didn’t have the time to complete the project so I put it aside. With the music still so close to me, I wanted to share this version which miraculously came off pretty well. Also, I will never be able to reproduce this sound as I no longer have that piano (VST actually).

A bit of background on the sound. I used a Roland RP-301 digital as the midi controller. The VST is the Synthogy Ivory II American Concert D. I don’t have settings to share but I can tell you that I heavily customized the sound in search of a Brahms sound that was most satisfying to me. This was a mostly failed exercise in the long run but this is a recording where I found something decent that fits the spirit of the composition. If I had a clue what I was doing I would have saved the settings as some kind of reference point.

Thinking back on my history with this piece, I think it was about 15 years in the making. After this recording I thought it best to move on to other things. Coming from a different chapter of my life, that must explain why the experience of relearning the piece is so difficult.
Posted By: KevinM Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/23/21 08:15 AM
I love this detailed background To Alte Liebe Pathbreaker. Matched by the beauty of your sensitive playing.
Posted By: Sam S Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/23/21 09:33 AM
Pathbreaker, thanks for the extra info. I think it always adds something to each performance to have that type of background info.

Sam
Posted By: dumka1 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/23/21 11:57 AM
Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
17. dumka1 - Prelude Op. 11 no 2
Another mysterious Scriabin piece. Played absolutely beautifully (and I really liked the overall sound; great atmosphere).
Originally Posted by Serge88
17. dumka1 - Prelude Op. 11 no 2
I didn't notice the error. Beautiful.

Thank you both so much! (Also, I finally figured out how to include more than one quote in a reply, yay! :)).
Here is my third batch of comments:

37. Purrblast - Sonatina in A minor (Op. 27. No. 18)
Quirky and fun. Confidently played.

38. facdo - Impromptu in E flat Major Op.90 No.2
That was truly magnificent! I enjoyed every bit of it.

40. PikaPianist - Waltz Op. 39, No. 9
Superb and professional in every way.

43. selfishplayer - Keyboard concerto no.7 in g minor BWV - 1058 first movement - Allegro piano solo
Bach is not really "my thing", but this was interesting, and I'm impressed by how clear the melodies carried by each hand stood out (also the tempo was impressive). And the GoPro gives the viewer a front row seat. smile (Have you thought about doing binaural recording?)

44. Rachtoven - Consolation No. 3
My favourite piano piece by Liszt, and you played it wonderfully. Great!

45. tyschoco - Sonatina in G Major, Op 55 No.2 1st Movement, Allegretto
Very confidently played, and with terrific speed. Well done!

46. Pathbreaker - Alte Liebe
There is a certain comfortable and secure feeling about some of Brahms' music (I can't explain it, but there is), and this was the case here. It was a pleasure listening to this wonderful performance, and it seems a perfect conclusion to this recital.
Posted By: PianogrlNW Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/23/21 09:29 PM
A few more comments, skipping around.

03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545 I like the overall tempo, it’s energetic without being too fast. Judicious use of pedal. I couldn’t hear the damper pedal, but the sound resonated and did not sound dry. Your tempo sounded very steady so not sure why you thought it might be uneven. Very fluid runs, crescendos and decrescendos, and fluid movement when one hand takes over the other in a run. Super audio. I thought the first movement was the strongest of the three. I liked the sound of slight separation between some of the notes in the second movement and how you created the some different colors when the piece transitioned to D minor. I feel like the Rondo, the third movement, could use some more of your usual energy, more contrasting dynamics to sound more like a playful dialogue.

06. barbaram - Dansul Romanesc Nice performance of fun piece. I like your tempo and energy!

08. Peyton - Gnossienne For Stella I always enjoy listening to your compositions. I think because of the repetition of the theme, you could vary the sound each time the theme is reintroduced. For example, when the melody is raised by an octave, playing pianissimo would have a heart-wrenching effect.

34. Moo smile - Songs without words opus 38 no 3 Nice performance. If you want to work on it further, my main suggestion is to try to get those arpeggios (initially in RH, then in LH) softer and bring out the melody more.

44. Rachtoven - Consolation No. 3 I like how you quietly begin and then the first note of the melody soars above it. Your melody has a clear tone, but then I hear that your LH gets what I think is too quiet. If you continue to work on this piece, try introducing some rubato and bring out the bass note in the LH a bit more.

45. tyschoco - Sonatina in G Major, Op 55 No.2 1st Movement, Allegretto You play this with very good fluidity, dynamics and articulation. You appear to be ready to move onto more challenging and varying repertoire. With only less than 2 years of experience as an adult, you’re way ahead of the curve.
Posted By: ranjit Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/23/21 11:03 PM
Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu
Rapid finger work there. Very impressive stuff.
Thank you! I really love the sensation of playing fast.

Originally Posted by Sam S
02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu A really admirable attempt at a very difficult piece. Not perfect, of course, and you will probably get a lot of flack for just trying it. My suggestion is to take what you have learned and move on to pieces that are simpler and do not consume all your time! But well done, and welcome to the recitals!
Yes indeed, I have got a lot of flak for trying it. I don't regret it at all though, I have a decent benchmark now against which I can assess my skills. It's also taught me a lot about how to approach the piano action. you're right -- I will move on to pieces that are simpler. It actually doesn't necessarily take me that long to learn such a piece -- I was able to get the notes down in a couple weeks. However, I have been trying to polish it since several months, and whenever I get over a bottleneck, another one comes in its place.

Originally Posted by Serge88
02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu
Beautiful ! I hope you'll be there for the next recital.
Thanks for listening!
Posted By: ranjit Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/23/21 11:20 PM
Sorry for the late replies, but here goes.
Originally Posted by Calavera
02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu
Congratulations on this ambitious first recital submission. It doesn't seem super even in the challenging parts, but the overall expression and musicality does a good job of keeping this performance enjoyable.
This is a fight which I've not been able to win, haha. It's hard to play these passages super even, and I don't really know when I'll be able to get there.

Originally Posted by Qwerty53
02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu Your commitment to this piece delivers on its passion. I hope you keep at it, and consider sharing an updated version at a future ABF recital.
I'm a bit tired of the piece now! I will certainly consider posting in future recitals.

Originally Posted by facdo
02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu
Wow, that was a very impressive performance. It is amazing that you are mostly self-taught, as I would assume that it is very difficult to reach this technical level and the musical maturity that you displayed on your performance without proper guidance. Amazing work! I particularly liked the middle section. I think you played it very tenderly and with tasteful use of rubato and dynamics.
Glad you liked my ideas in the middle section! I like to go very quiet in the middle, but it's equally hard to control. Some ideas I've encountered about technique have helped me out, but I'm still really happy I was able to reach this point largely on my own. (See, I wasn't lying about it all along! People here didn't believe me in the past haha.)

Originally Posted by lilypad
02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu Simply gorgeous. It's like you were born to play Chopin.
Wow, I'm glad you liked it!

Originally Posted by SMA55
02. ranjit - Fantaisie Impromptu Judging from your submission, let me first say that you definitely have some pianistic talents and skills, many (if not all) of which you’ve developed on your own without the aid of a teacher. Congratulations on that, as well.
Thank you! You're good at delivering criticism sandwiched in between praise lol. On pianistic talent, probably, I'm still trying to figure out what exactly that means though.

Originally Posted by SMA55
But also evident to me from your submission are some technical deficiencies that apparently have not yet been addressed by you or your current teacher.
I've only been with my current teacher for 4 months, we're working on those but it's taking some time.

Originally Posted by SMA55
In my humble opinion, Chopin’s Fantaisie-Impromptu is an overreach for you. There are multiple fundamentals which are required for a pianist convincingly to take on a piece of such virtuosic proportions as this, and it appears you haven’t yet mastered those. ... If your current teacher is assisting you in your endeavor to learn the Fantaisie-Impromptu, then it is my belief that they’re doing you a disservice, for they’re setting you up for failure—AND overlooking your current need to work on the fundamentals. But I’m not a teacher, and these are just my opinions, so take them for what they’re worth.
No, my current teacher didn't assist me in playing the piece, I had already learned it before I approached him. I've been working on it on my own since. So I pretty much learned it on my own, although I've requested teachers etc. to provide feedback for improving it.
Posted By: ranjit Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/23/21 11:21 PM
PS. I'll post my next batch of amateur critiques soon, stay tuned wink
Posted By: ranjit Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/24/21 01:18 AM
Late to the party, but here goes.

23. peterws - Winter First of all, you bring out the harmonies really well, which are reminiscent of winter. The only thing I can think of is that you really should consider playing the repeat of the first phrase a bit different from the first time, otherwise it risks sounding like a re-opening! Everything after that is great, and very evocative in its affect.

24. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata K331 1st Movement - Andante grazioso You handle the pulse really well! Congratulations on a successful performance. It's not easy to memorize and perform 8 minutes of music with similar textures throughout, and your playing is impressively clean, at least to my ears.

25. Ganddalf - Tango I feel that the rhythm for this piece needs to be a bit more pronounced and exact (by which I'm referring to each repeat of the tango pattern). The melody should also be voiced a tad louder imo. Nevertheless, nice work!

26. lilypad - The Bass Man Walketh Well done on performing this! It's a tricky rhythm to get right. That said, it sounds too hesitant! Really allow it to groove, forget about hitting the right notes, and get back to it after a while.

27. Jason Lenthe - Nocturne in G Minor Op. 15 No. 3 Congratulations on a successful performance! I know this is difficult, but could you try to memorize the piece, or at least sections of it? I watched your video, and get the feeling that your reading is getting in the way of rubato, and more natural dynamic variation. I would suggest really listening to the melody line first, and trying to shape it (sing it, etc. to get an idea), and then trying to follow the melody while you're playing the piece. I feel like your playing and time feel is too rigid for Chopin, and ends up sounding more like a Brahms piece.

40. PikaPianist - Waltz Op. 39, No. 9 I really like the way you play this. I like how dynamic and lively you make it sound with the pronounced accents. You're able to create an incredible amount of contrast, it's fantastic!

41. Augustina - Expression This is quite nice. I think the melody needs to be voiced a bit louder, as it comes across as muffled right now. It is very tempting to play pieces like these very quietly, but there still needs to be adequate contrast between the melody and the accompaniment, in order for it to come across. Also, the rhythm needs to be a bit more precise, each new note in the melody and chord change needs to "hit" at the right spot. I think you can also put more of an accent on the notes at the starting of each measure.

42. Amy H - Story of You Gorgeous! I really like this kind of pop style, and it reminds me of some old cover artists I used to listen to. You sound at home with the style, and it sounds very natural. I'll keep the composer's name in mind, it's very good ambient music.

43. selfishplayer - Keyboard concerto no.7 in g minor BWV - 1058 first movement - Allegro piano solo I'm pretty sure I've heard this piece before! It's very enjoyable to listen to. Your left hand seems to be struggling slightly and lagging behind the right at parts. It's subtle, but it might be a good idea to try to play only the left hand, and try to bring it to parity with the kind of crisp articulation and rhythm you have in your right.

44. Rachtoven - Consolation No. 3 Very precise playing! I've also worked on this piece recently. My first impression is that this needs a bit more rubato. You don't have to overdo it, but I think it's important to breathe in places in order for the phrases to sing, and taper off. Otherwise, for a piece as float-y as this one, you tend to sound claustrophobic. Most everything else is quite settled in your interpretation, and I like your voicing which allows the different voices to pop and be heard clearly. I'm impressed that you've been playing since just 3 years.

45. tyschoco - Sonatina in G Major, Op 55 No.2 1st Movement, Allegretto It feels like your left hand is sometimes overpowering your right hand, especially at the beginning, and I found it a bit tricky to hear both voices. Your phrases need a bit more shaping, and are a bit rough around the edges. At points, it feels like the music isn't quite going anywhere. On the positive side, your runs are very clean, which I really liked. It's an admirable attempt, given your experience.

46. Pathbreaker - Alte Liebe Wonderful phrasing! The way you play the melody makes it seem like the music is floating. It is very beautiful. I like the sound of your VST, and might consider it for future recording setups. All in all, this is really something, and I can hear the musical intelligence behind it. Well done!
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/24/21 01:25 AM
35. KevinM - Songs Without Words Opus 19 No. 1 Kevin, if that was biting off more than you can chew, then please keep doing it! To me, the tempo and rubato were appropriate, and the melody sang over the support - sensitively played and I loved it.

36. Talao - Sonatina in G Major Anh. 5 (both movements) One of the best things about these Recitals is the fact that other participants inspire us to try new pieces. The sound and video were high quality, and you have a lot to show for a relatively short time at the piano. Well done!

37. Purrblast - Sonatina in A minor (Op. 27. No. 18) I wish I had such polished pieces hiding among MY ‘semi-finished’ recordings: this one must have been mis-filed! smile Bright and breezy, confidently played - it sounded like fun.
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/24/21 05:44 AM
38. facdo - Impromptu in E flat Major Op.90 No.2 This just sparkles! A stunning performance - what more do I need to say?

39. Snejana - Contemplation I don’t know ’At Sunset’, but it was reminiscent of an old standard, the name of which escapes me. How satisfying to be able to weave your own musical themes - I really enjoyed this piece.

40. PikaPianist - Waltz Op. 39, No. 9 This was certainly a fast-paced, merry waltz (and I preferred it that way) - pure delight!
Posted By: Ido Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/24/21 10:20 AM
Listened to some more - great job guys.

08. Peyton - Gnossienne For Stella
Great, you've managed to retain the vibe of the original piece while making it sound like you (these long arpeggios is part of your signature sound IMO)

22. mmathew - Waltz in a minor, B.150 Posth
Great job for such short experience. Rhythm and articulation are quite good. Just mind the pedal to make it cleaner.

23. peterws - Winter
A very enjoyable listen, lovely!

35. KevinM - Songs Without Words Opus 19 No. 1
You make this look so easy. Very good flow, good piano tone. Great.

34. Moo smile - Songs without words opus 38 no 3
It's been a while since I last heard you play - it seems you've improved a lot.
Posted By: KevinM Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/24/21 04:27 PM
Originally Posted by facdo
35. KevinM - Songs Without Words Opus 19 No. 1
Oh, that was beautiful! Such tenderness and a really wonderful dolce cantabile melody. Your performance is very clean, technically and dynamically accurate, and your sense of phrasing is excellent. If you don’t mind a suggestion, and this is really the only point I think you could address to improve your interpretation even further, I think you could use a bit of rubato. It is hard to point out exactly how and where, but I guess that in the transitions between motifs and according to the phrasing. I think rubato is the only thing preventing your interpretation of reaching a “professional level”. That might not even be your goal, but I think your playing is that close. But really, excellent playing, thanks for sharing!

Thanks for the kind words. I feel like I am a long way from that professional level. During my recent practise I have been toying with rubato a lot without finding a convincing rubato. It is like I'm not feeling it, but trying to force a rubato on it and listening afterwards it sounds forced. When I do find the right rubato I'm going to have to do a chunk more practise again, as I find when forcing rubato at the moment it has a big hit on the reliability of my playing.
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/24/21 06:57 PM
A belated "Ta" for all your comments on my efforts! I love to hear the strange viewpoints of you earthlings . . .
Posted By: Calavera Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/24/21 07:26 PM
11. JJHLH - Feuillet d'Album Op 45, No 1
A pretty piece. Nice subdued and sensitive playing.

12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576
Love the harpsichord sound! A great performance with a dainty allure, and beautiful trills indeed.

13. Alpha Terminus - Lotus Land
Interesting piece with a rather haunting atmosphere. Thanks for sharing!

14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779)
That seems like a challenging piece and you've managed this enjoyable performance. Really impressive work on the musicality for someone with a year's experience.

15. Serge88 - Boogie Blues Etude
Clean and fun performance. When I can't help but bob my head, I know the performer must be doing something right.

Originally Posted by facdo
21. Calavera - Theme of Love
Wow, this was such a pleasure to listen! You play with such tenderness and high skill. Really amazing! That theme is strangely familiar, but I guess I never listened to the original song and that is just a nice catchy melody. Please keep sharing these video games and anime music, I really enjoy listening to your submissions!

Thanks facdo! I may as well spill the beans: I suspect that Uematsu heavily borrowed/stole from Francis Lai's Theme From Love Story. He barely even bothered to change the title, that lazy rapscallion... shocked
Posted By: wouter79 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/24/21 07:52 PM
sma55 mozart K545
Clean playing, you have a solid handle on the piece. Nice! I was stuggling a lot with the first part when I played this, but that was when I played piano only 1 year smile The recording sounds good, the sound is balanced, no clipping, little noise. I like it that you did not mess with the sound (no echo etc). I do hear a number of clicks, not sure but might be an issue with your recording system.

I could say my comments are all nitpicking. Except that in Mozart the notes and harmonies are so stupid simple that his music is in fact ONLY about these details. And that he does not spell it out, so that it very much boils down to your own taste. This is why they say it's so hard music :-) So I hope you bear with comments as they are probably quite much my personal taste

First part
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why are you suddenly ending a staccato phrase in legato at 0:22? The energy bleeds out instantly. Seems not the right place for that.
It seems you are skipping a beat in m15, you play the dotted-1/8+1/16th as 1/8+1/8 and then the rest of the measure misses a beat. The repeat goes wrong the same way so you need to check the notes there.

I think the first part could use some more dynamics, it sounds all a bit leveled; I know that's hard with all these fast notes, but that's a very important ingredient to make music of this. The last fast runs in m71 and 72 sound a bit too legato to me.

2nd part
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Notice that in m2 the note is only 1/4, not the rest of the measure (same in m4, 6, etc). Even soft you can hear it, and in my ear it should be as Mozart wrote it. In m7 it sounds like you are releasing the energy already at the start, I suggest you hold it till m8 before making a brief decr. I would play the staccato notes in m5 as staccato, yours sound a bit more like portato to me. But i m10 I think the portato-like sound fits better.
The melody seems at times a bit flat, not singing enough, even though you seem to shape the phrases well dynamically. I can't exactly put my finger on it, so maybe I just want to hear something beyond what's possible. Maybe this is just because some notes are slightly off: in some places a middle note is too loud and it breaks the line. Or maybe the LH is a bit too loud. This apparent lack of dynamics might be in part the sound of your piano, your piano seems to keep the exact same timbre when changing dynamics where I would like to hear the sound to become slightly sharper with more power. I have been in similar cases with my own pieces, eg with Scarlatti, where I keep trying for weeks to get anywhere near what I hear in my head. In general making long lines is some of the hardest to do on piano.
An important issue is that you rush into the repeats; play the full measure 16, so wait the full rest as indicated. Instead of rushing, I think even some stretching could be used.

I'm not hearing "unsteady tempo" that you mention. Or are you referring to a few small hiccups?
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/24/21 09:13 PM
Originally Posted by wouter79
sma55 mozart K545
Clean playing, you have a solid handle on the piece. Nice! I was stuggling a lot with the first part when I played this, but that was when I played piano only 1 year smile The recording sounds good, the sound is balanced, no clipping, little noise. I like it that you did not mess with the sound (no echo etc). I do hear a number of clicks, not sure but might be an issue with your recording system.

I could say my comments are all nitpicking. Except that in Mozart the notes and harmonies are so stupid simple that his music is in fact ONLY about these details. And that he does not spell it out, so that it very much boils down to your own taste. This is why they say it's so hard music :-) So I hope you bear with comments as they are probably quite much my personal taste

Thank you so much for taking the time out to listen and comment in detail! Always appreciated. As you say, some of the issues here are a matter of personal taste. I'll address a few of your comments specifically.

As far as the clicks you're hearing, I'm not sure which one's you mean. My fingernails tapping on the keys often cause clicking noises in my recordings, but I'm not sure if that's what you're referring to. Can you let me know a specific time in the recording when you hear one?

Originally Posted by wouter79
First part
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why are you suddenly ending a staccato phrase in legato at 0:22? The energy bleeds out instantly. Seems not the right place for that.
This is one of those personal taste issues. I tried myriad methods of making this transition, and this was the one that was most pleasing to my ears, so I settled upon it.

Originally Posted by wouter79
It seems you are skipping a beat in m15, you play the dotted-1/8+1/16th as 1/8+1/8 and then the rest of the measure misses a beat. The repeat goes wrong the same way so you need to check the notes there.
You are absolutely right! Good pick up. After spending a lot of time on working the trill in where it belongs, somewhere along the line I lost a beat and then kept practicing it that way when I was mostly satisified with the trill itself. And then the lost beat must have gotten perpetuated in my performances. Oh, well--back to the drawing board!

Originally Posted by wouter79
2nd part
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Notice that in m2 the note is only 1/4, not the rest of the measure (same in m4, 6, etc). Even soft you can hear it, and in my ear it should be as Mozart wrote it.
Yes, you're right again. Those rests are something that I have to consciously make an effort to take, as they're not ingrained in my memory. That's one of the hazards for natural memorizers such as myself. We dispense of the score just as soon as is humanly possible and play from memory. But then if we unconsciously drift a bit from what was in the score, we don't even notice it. Unless we take some time to play from the score again--which I obviously didn't do enough!

Originally Posted by wouter79
The melody seems at times a bit flat, not singing enough, even though you seem to shape the phrases well dynamically.
This was mentioned also by Pianist685. In a personal communication I had with him, he came to realize eventually that it was less of a singing tone issue and more to do with the fact that I'm using the pedal extremely sparingly. Why? Well, because I was once traumatized while playing Mozart during a jury exam, in which one of the jurors criticized my playing Mozart while using the pedal at all. She claimed that the pedal should not be used at all, because Mozart did not have one to use on his pianos. Despite the fact that she was sort of wrong (because the fortepianos that Mozart used in the later part of his life had a series of knee levers, one of which actually did allow for the sustaining of notes), it still is generally considered proper to use the pedal only sparingly with Mozart, so that there is an extreme level of clarity to the sound. As a result, depending on one's acoustic environment, playing with very little pedal and with little to no reverberations can result in a flatter type sound. In my experience with my piano, it's all a bit of a trade-off.

Originally Posted by wouter79
I'm not hearing "unsteady tempo" that you mention. Or are you referring to a few small hiccups?
"Unsteady tempo" was a poor choice of words on my part. Yes, I was referring more to focal unevenness--or, to use your terminology, "small hiccups".

Thanks again for your detailed comments!
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/24/21 09:26 PM
Originally Posted by PianogrlNW
03. sma55 (Shepherd Abrams) - Sonata in C Major K545 I like the overall tempo, it’s energetic without being too fast. Judicious use of pedal. I couldn’t hear the damper pedal, but the sound resonated and did not sound dry. Your tempo sounded very steady so not sure why you thought it might be uneven. Very fluid runs, crescendos and decrescendos, and fluid movement when one hand takes over the other in a run. Super audio. I thought the first movement was the strongest of the three. I liked the sound of slight separation between some of the notes in the second movement and how you created the some different colors when the piece transitioned to D minor. I feel like the Rondo, the third movement, could use some more of your usual energy, more contrasting dynamics to sound more like a playful dialogue.
Thank you for your kind words and for your always helpful suggestions, Ellen! I do appreciate them. The tempo issue I mentioned in my notes was a poor choice of words. What I really meant were simply moments of unevenness, which, with Mozart, stand out like a sore thumb (to me anyway). As the 1st movement was the most technically demanding, I spent more time with it than with the other two movements, and yes, it shows. grin While I've moved on from the Mozart, when I decide to pick this piece up again, I'll focus more on movements 2 and especially 3.
Posted By: QuentinP Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/25/21 04:45 AM
Thanks QuasiUnaFantasia and Serge88 for your comments!
Posted By: lilypad Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/25/21 05:10 AM
[quote=ranjit]26. lilypad - The Bass Man Walketh Well done on performing this! It's a tricky rhythm to get right. That said, it sounds too hesitant! Really allow it to groove, forget about hitting the right notes, and get back to it after a while. [quote]

Thank you for listening and providing feedback. My normal mode on the piece is to groove along with it. It's so much fun to play that I often keep repeating the piece after the 'turnaround' instead of going to the end.

My hesitation is likely due to recording anxiety (aka red dot syndrome). I started working on the recording anxiety today by establishing a weekly recording day for pieces in progress. It's already been very revealing. I've discovered that I stop, pause, correct mistakes, etc. when I should be in performance (as apposed to practice) mode. My focus going forward will be to keep playing no matter what, play as expressively as possible and listen to my recordings to evaluate if I sound the way I think I do.
Posted By: Talão Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/25/21 05:28 AM
The start of the academic semester got me swamped and it took me a while to get back here. Thank you very much AndresVel, QuasiUnaFantasia, facdo, MarieJ for taking the time to listen to my piece and provide written feedback!

Originally Posted by AndresVel
Hola Talao! It is great you chose this one as your next piece! I am very happy you felt inspired by my submission in the last recital. That is very flattering and I feel very humbled that this was the case :)) I liked you version a lot! I noticed several things that differ from my take on it and that is awesome since it gives me a whole new listening experience. On your first movement: I liked the steady tempo you kept all throughout, I remember struggling with not speeding up in the second part of the exposition. The grace notes were very nice handled and you seemed very much in control of the performance. One thing I noticed was for example trying to give more dynamic variation to the right hand, specially in the development section, where you have the running scales. This impression might be related also to the recording itself, with the mics not picking up exactly what you listen when playing, so take it please with a grain of salt. I also wanted to share with you some ideas we discussed with my teacher when working on this piece (these are just for your to perhaps try them out for fun or if interested, I am not trying at all to suggest you should play it as I did or that you should change your interpretation): I think the first mvmt is very lively and happy, and therefore I did not join the left hand in the exposition, but kept it detached. It gave the piece a bit of a jumpy feeling which I liked very much. On the coda, I also tried to keep the alberti bass as quiet as possible, specially in the repeat. Again, these are just ideas I remembered discussing with my teacher that you might want to try for fun. On the 2nd mvmt: I liked it a lot, your choice of tempo gave it a very lively feeling to it. Your ornaments are again very well handled, and you also introduced very beautiful pauses which made it a pleasure to listen to. I find very interesting how our approaches are different. In contrast to the 1st mvmt, I tried here not to detach the left hand in the exposition and coda. You, on the other hand, added a bit of staccato feeling which served very well for the tempo you chose. I very much enjoyed your performance! The little mistake in the 2nd mvmt is really not important at all, you continued as if nothing had happened, and that is by itself a very good skill to possess. Awesome job Talao! :DDD

This is such great and detailed feedback. Thank you. It's nice to hear from someone who worked on the same piece not too long ago and exchange ideas. Thank you for the alternative interpretation ideas. A lot of times it's a matter of trying something and listening to the result (no single right way to do it). I'll play around with your suggestions and see what happens. Tempo-wise, I was trying to push myself to get as close as possible to what my edition of the piece shows, without sounding sloppy. The 1st movement is market at 132 quarter notes per minute, but I was playing it at around 120. The 2nd says 88 dotted quarter notes per minute, but there was no way I could play it that fast. I was closer to 60.

Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
This was a very fine performance in it's own right, and all the more so in the light of your brief experience. And the sound quality was quite excellent.

Thank you! Another positive comment on the sound quality! I'm starting to like this mic setup more and more. :-)

Originally Posted by facdo
Really well played. Such a clean and expressive performance. Bravo! The only issue I can think of is regarding the dynamic balance between the hands. You are singing the right hand melody just fine, but I think your performance would benefit from an overall softer left-hand. I think I am commenting this a lot on this recital and it might be something that the MP3 audio compressing is messing up. I am only pointing out because I am sure you have the technical capability to do that and I think it is something that you can easily address that will raise your performance to an even higher level. On a side note, it is very interesting that you are documenting your progress with the number of hours. I am subscribing to your channel and looking forward to see your playing at 10000 hours

[Oi Felipe! Você é brasileiro também? Me inscrevi no seu canal! Obrigado pela sua inscrição no meu!]

Thank you! I do agree with you that I can definitely do better with this LH vs RH balance, but I also have this feeling that my recordings (in general) make my LH louder than what I hear when I'm playing. Overall, I feel my recordings have a smaller dynamic range than what I hear when I'm playing (the softest note is closer to the loudest note in the recording than in real life). I don't know much about sound engineering and the different formats, how the losses/compressions take place, etc. I wonder if there's some software workaround (or some setting for mp3 conversions) that I could play with to improve this.

I like to document it in terms of hours because it gives me a better idea of effort than just days. Plus, there's the elusive 10,000-hour mark (as you pointed out) which, at my current pace, I should reach in about 16 and a half years from today :-) I was watching the YouTube channel of a guy who plays guitar and documents his progress in hours as well. There was a dramatic jump in ability when he got past the 2,500-hour mark. It's another instrument and everyone is different, of course, but I'm curious to see what I'm going to sound like at 2,500 hours (a bit more than twice my current number).

I listened to your performance of Chopin's Op. 9 No. 2 because it's a piece I've been eyeing for a while (the slow speed made me hopeful, but when I looked at the sheet music it looked a bit scary). I LOVED your performance. So relaxed and clean. And your LH is at the perfect volume; you can hear it well but it doesn't interfere with the RH. Do you mind if I ask what your recording setup is? (mic type, position of mics, which DAW, etc.) Very well done! I'm inspired to give it a shot! If it's too difficult, I'll set it aside and come back to it later.

Originally Posted by MarieJ
One of the best things about these Recitals is the fact that other participants inspire us to try new pieces. The sound and video were high quality, and you have a lot to show for a relatively short time at the piano. Well done!

Thank you! And I totally agree with you; it's both the inspiration and the discovery of pieces I didn't know about. Love those aspects of the recital.
There are a lot more thank you's for me to extend, so thank you peterws, Wie Waldi, lilypad, MarieJ, Calavera, Rachtoven, facdo, Qwerty53, Sam S, and Serge88, for your kind and helpful comments.

@Sam S: The score is on IMSLP

Also, although I have listened to every work submitted, there are some where I feel entirely unqualified to comment, and so abstained from doing so (because they are works in a style that I am not at home in). To all concerned I would still like to say "Well done" for participating and help making this recital what it is.
Posted By: AndresVel Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/25/21 11:48 AM
thank you QuasiunaFantasia y Serge88 for your nice comments on my piece.

I am also adding my last batch of comments:

08. Peyton - Gnossienne For Stella What a beautiful Hommage Peyton. I really loved this and can see myself listening to this once in a while. I put it on my favorites playlist on youtube. I hope your beloved Stella is doing better and that her recovery goes as fast as possible. I am sure she enjoyed your beautiful composition very much laugh

09. QuasiUnaFantasia - Stimmungsbilder, opus 9 no. 4: Traumerei I did not know Strauss had written for piano. Thanks for showing us new music. I think you did a superb job. Your playing was full of nuances and an amazing touch. It was very convincing all throughout and showed how confident you felt playing the piece. Amazing job smile

10. Flygbladet - Tonbilder part 2 "barnmenuett" (Childrens menuett) This sounded very dramatic, specially the first section. Not what I was expecting given the piece title. I think you made great use of dynamics, to bring out the melody and the singing voice all throughout. Specially in the first section, I noticed a bit too much pedal in certain passages, so the melody went hidden. But in general, this was very enjoyable. Regarding your time away from the piano, I think it is perfectly normal to take a break once a while and use your time with other passions you may have. You might see that your interest in playing will return. What I would suggest is to never fully walk away from it. Give yourself the chance to play once a while some of the pieces you've learnt before and that you love the most just for enjoyment. And also look for repertoire that really inspire you to keep learning. Just please do not abandon playing piano, your play is beautiful and it would be a shame to let those skills go away. PS: I liked the piece Decay a lot, very interesting work. What is the text whispered? the whole sound is impressive

18. psyche23 (Edwin) - Le Piccadilly Wow what a good rendition. Amazing playing. I am usually not much into ragtime but this rag-inspired one I liked a lot. I did not know Satie had these more lively compositions as well (I admit I only know his gnossienes and gymnopedies). I think you did a great job with the rhythm and keeping things very interesting all throughout, and not losing the energy of the piece at any time. I did not spot any of the mistakes you mention. For me your playing was very clean smile Awesome stuff.

19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements Another great improvisation! I always enjoy these Ted thank you for sharing. They show the infinite palette of possibilities this beautiful instrument offers to us. Maybe one day I will feel in the position to join you improvising :))

20. QuentinP - WTK 1 Prelude 8 Eb minor OMG six flats!! haha. This was such a beautiful submission. what a beautiful prelude. You did an amazing job playing with the voices and with articulation all throughout. Your ornamentation was so on point. What a masterful rendition. I would love to listen to your take on the fugue. Looking forward to your future submissions QuentinP smile

28. rwsavory - The Poet Speaks - Op 15 "Scenes from Childhood" I was so looking forward to listen to this when I saw the list of submissions. I like Kinderszenen a lot, but I really love the second half, and this one is my favorite one from the set. I always thought the piece is very nostalgic, like remembering all those mini-adventures the other pieces from the set evoke, or like saying goodbye to that childhood phase. In that regard, I fully agree with the quote of Maureen Buja in your description. I loved your playing very much. Your voicing was on point, and you let the piece breathe. You also reached that pianissimo that I think is essential for the message of the piece. Loved it smile

29. bSharp(C)yclist (Dan) - Consolation, Op. 30, No. 3 This was very well done BSharp! I truly enjoyed your recording and your piano sounded beautiful smile Very interesting what you mention regarding relaxation while playing. For sure something to keep in mind. I am glad you are noticing improvement with the approach your are taking now.

30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer This was outstanding Wie Waldi, considering also that you have been learning piano for only seven months. Amazing job! Your technique looks good as well, with very relaxed hands. You balanced both hands beautifully and gave an amazing vibe to the piece. You never lost sense of rhythm and did not seem to rush the piece at any time. I liked the video as well. Great job with the different camera angles and the editing. I very much enjoyed this one. Thank you very much for sharing. Looking forward to your future submissions.

38. facdo - Impromptu in E flat Major Op.90 No.2 Amazing stuff facdo! Outstanding rendition of one of my favorite Schubert pieces. I think you nailed it and have managed to come up with an amazing recording. The practice time invested certainly paid off. I liked the clarity of your runs and the intensity you put on the b section and in the coda. The coda was very impressive. I noticed you rushed a tiny bit there but I am sure you got into the mood of the piece and just went for it. Awesome stuff. your progress is very inspiring, now even more than you got into Schubert, whose music I love smile Looking forward for the rest of the set (No. 1 is my favorite :))

39. Snejana - Contemplation Great job Snejana. You seemed very much in control for the short time you have been improvising. There were very nice ideas all throughout and kept it very interesting. I liked the middle section the most, when you went a bit lower in the register on the bass. The sound was very impressive, it was sort of atmospheric, and set up a very nice mood for the piece. The title goes perfectly with it. Thank you very much for sharing.

40. PikaPianist - Waltz Op. 39, No. 9 Another masterful performance from your side. Very enjoyable. Tchaikovsky really knew how to compose a waltz, didn't he? You more up tempo version was very fun to listen to and very suitable for a dance actually. I can easily picture a ball and people dancing to it. Also your recordings always have such high quality, is impressive. It makes me want to play with my recording set up again, or perhaps with a bit of sound post-processing. Your Estonia sounds lovely in any case. Thank you for sharing smile

This is all from my side for this recital. Another amazing one. I very much enjoyed listening to all your submissions. It is very inspiring to see everyone's progress. See you all for the Beginners pieces recital smile
Posted By: facdo Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/25/21 03:48 PM
QuasiUnaFantasia, MarieJ and AndresVel, thank you very much for your comments!

[Talão, sim! Mas estou tentando fugir para a Alemanha. Acho que agora em Setembro eu vou conseguir me mudar. A situação no Brasil está muito complicada, com caos socio-político-econômico e sem oportunidades para a minha área (de pesquisa em área tecnológica).]

Thank you for subscribing and for the nice feedback on the nocturne! Playing the left hand softly and without accenting the 3rd beat was a big concern to me, so I really practiced that musical aspect a lot. It is true that the recording setup has a lot of influence on the sound and you can get more or less dynamic range based on that. Usually, when you have a pair of well-positioned microphones the dynamic range is better preserved, but you have a bit of loss in that regard due to audio compression when you submit a video to Youtube or save the audio in a low bitrate MP3 format.

My recording setup is relatively simple. I am using a couple of AKG P170, small-diaphragm cardioid mics, placed above the top lid of my piano. They are about 5 cm from the lid, and 30 cm from the lateral edge of the piano, on both sides. They are connected to my PC via an audio interface, Scarlett Focusrite 2i4. I don't do any treatment to the audio, but I think I should be adding a bit of reverb in the mixing stage. Since the mics are very close to the piano there is not much ambiance capture, so adding a bit of reverb could improve the quality.

Regarding the difficulty of that nocturne, I think it is harder than it looks because of the musical aspects. Dynamics, phrasing, proper use of rubato, those aspects require a lot of maturity. I am nowhere close to mastering those, but I think I am at a stage where I can address those aspects with more confidence. Technically, if you have played a waltz with left-hand jumps, it is not a difficult piece. It is just difficult to make it sound like a nocturne. Seeing your progress and skill I think you can definitely try it, but maybe you will not sound as good as you want at this point. You can always revisit it later when you have more experience and your interpretation will be much better. Having some more romantic pieces of a similar style is always helpful. I see that you already did a prelude and a waltz, so doing one of the less difficult nocturnes is a natural progression. Good luck, and I will be checking your progress on your channel smile
Posted By: wouter79 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/25/21 04:00 PM
Originally Posted by SMA55
As far as the clicks you're hearing, I'm not sure which one's you mean. My fingernails tapping on the keys often cause clicking noises in my recordings, but I'm not sure if that's what you're referring to. Can you let me know a specific time in the recording when you hear one?

There's one very clear at 6:55
One a bit more difficult to hear is at 9:16


Originally Posted by SMA55
Originally Posted by wouter79
The melody seems at times a bit flat, not singing enough, even though you seem to shape the phrases well dynamically.
This was mentioned also by Pianist685. In a personal communication I had with him, he came to realize eventually that it was less of a singing tone issue and more to do with the fact that I'm using the pedal extremely sparingly. Why? Well, because I was once traumatized while playing Mozart during a jury exam, in which one of the jurors criticized my playing Mozart while using the pedal at all. She claimed that the pedal should not be used at all, because Mozart did not have one to use on his pianos. Despite the fact that she was sort of wrong (because the fortepianos that Mozart used in the later part of his life had a series of knee levers, one of which actually did allow for the sustaining of notes), it still is generally considered proper to use the pedal only sparingly with Mozart, so that there is an extreme level of clarity to the sound. As a result, depending on one's acoustic environment, playing with very little pedal and with little to no reverberations can result in a flatter type sound. In my experience with my piano, it's all a bit of a trade-off.

Yes Mozart will have had access to pianos with pedal.
But I very much like the sound without pedal for Mozart and earlier. It gives that clarity that this music needs. I think this can be done best without pedal, but it's again personal taste.
Posted By: Calavera Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/25/21 08:45 PM
16. vte - Vieux Noel in G minor
It does sound snowy and wintery. Thanks for sharing this fun piece.

17. dumka1 - Prelude Op. 11 no 2
Nice playing. I didn't notice the errors and it sounded very clean to me.

18. psyche23 (Edwin) - Le Piccadilly
Interesting. I didn't know about Satie's ragtime works. Your performance oozes energy and panache.

19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements
The gentle opening lulled me into believing your submission would be less chaotic-sounding than usual, but then it quickly veered into bizarre Ted Jonesy territory. Recitals just wouldn't be the same without your curiosities.

20. QuentinP - WTK 1 Prelude 8 Eb minor
A beautiful prelude indeed. I enjoyed the pensive mood of this expressive performance.
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/25/21 10:39 PM
41. Augustina - Expression An appealing piece which will really shine with a little more polishing. The name seemed familiar and when I looked back though earlier Recitals I found that Monica had chosen her works too. I’m so glad you reminded us of Helen Jane Long.

42. Amy H - Story of You I’ve enjoyed Alexis Ffrench’s music since you introduced us to ‘Bluebird’, so I’ve been looking forward to hearing your submission. I wasn’t disappointed; this was a delightful performance. Thank you Amy!

43. selfishplayer - Keyboard concerto no.7 in g minor BWV - 1058 first movement - Allegro piano solo For me, a ’one try record’ would be a VERY satisfying achievement, particularly if the result could be as bubbly and energetic as yours. Bravo!
Posted By: Talão Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/26/21 12:59 AM
Originally Posted by facdo
QuasiUnaFantasia, MarieJ and AndresVel, thank you very much for your comments!

[Talão, sim! Mas estou tentando fugir para a Alemanha. Acho que agora em Setembro eu vou conseguir me mudar. A situação no Brasil está muito complicada, com caos socio-político-econômico e sem oportunidades para a minha área (de pesquisa em área tecnológica).]

Thank you for subscribing and for the nice feedback on the nocturne! Playing the left hand softly and without accenting the 3rd beat was a big concern to me, so I really practiced that musical aspect a lot. It is true that the recording setup has a lot of influence on the sound and you can get more or less dynamic range based on that. Usually, when you have a pair of well-positioned microphones the dynamic range is better preserved, but you have a bit of loss in that regard due to audio compression when you submit a video to Youtube or save the audio in a low bitrate MP3 format.

My recording setup is relatively simple. I am using a couple of AKG P170, small-diaphragm cardioid mics, placed above the top lid of my piano. They are about 5 cm from the lid, and 30 cm from the lateral edge of the piano, on both sides. They are connected to my PC via an audio interface, Scarlett Focusrite 2i4. I don't do any treatment to the audio, but I think I should be adding a bit of reverb in the mixing stage. Since the mics are very close to the piano there is not much ambiance capture, so adding a bit of reverb could improve the quality.

Regarding the difficulty of that nocturne, I think it is harder than it looks because of the musical aspects. Dynamics, phrasing, proper use of rubato, those aspects require a lot of maturity. I am nowhere close to mastering those, but I think I am at a stage where I can address those aspects with more confidence. Technically, if you have played a waltz with left-hand jumps, it is not a difficult piece. It is just difficult to make it sound like a nocturne. Seeing your progress and skill I think you can definitely try it, but maybe you will not sound as good as you want at this point. You can always revisit it later when you have more experience and your interpretation will be much better. Having some more romantic pieces of a similar style is always helpful. I see that you already did a prelude and a waltz, so doing one of the less difficult nocturnes is a natural progression. Good luck, and I will be checking your progress on your channel smile

[Boa sorte na mudança pra Alemanha!]

Thank you for the explanation about the nocturne and the details of your recording setup. I was using a similar setup for my videos before the Sonatina: 2 small diaphragm condenser mics, one above the treble and one above the bass, and a Focusrite 2i2 interface. I'm going to try playing with their positioning and test an omni type of capsule (was using cardioid before). In theory, these are better mics (Rode NT5) than the Shure MV88+ I recorded the sonatina with, so the issue must be positioning.

You've confirmed my suspicion: it's harder than it looks. Yes, I've played Chopin's Waltz in Am and Prelude No. 4 in Op. 28, but I've never worked on rubato before. I may give the nocturne a shot once I finish working on my current batch of pieces. But I'll go in fully knowing that it may be out of my reach for now.
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/26/21 01:15 AM
Originally Posted by Calavera
19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements
The gentle opening lulled me into believing your submission would be less chaotic-sounding than usual, but then it quickly veered into bizarre Ted Jonesy territory. Recitals just wouldn't be the same without your curiosities.

"Bizarre", "chaotic" and "curiosity" please me very much, thanks for listening.
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/26/21 06:13 AM
44. Rachtoven - Consolation No. 3 A lovely rich sound from your Kawai. I love this piece, and you did it justice. Great control - beautiful.

45. tyschoco - Sonatina in G Major, Op 55 No.2 1st Movement, Allegretto It sounded like you had fun playing this sprightly little composition - and I enjoyed listening. Well done!

46. Pathbreaker - Alte Liebe Whoa - for 20 seconds I thought my earphones had disconnected. But what followed was worth waiting for smile . That was an exquisite piece, and what a polished performance!
Posted By: Calavera Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/26/21 07:12 PM
21. Calavera - Theme of Love
You again with your saccharine music?

22. mmathew - Waltz in a minor, B.150 Posth
You didn't disappoint. That was an enjoyable performance of a piece I'm very partial to. I feel that there might be a tad too much pedal at the beginning, but it's nothing egregious and doesn't really detract from the musicality (and it's certainly not worse than my own pedalling sins).

23. peterws - Winter
That was a real treat to listen to, Peter. The fun you had learning and playing the piece permeates the performance.

24. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata K331 1st Movement - Andante grazioso
Beautiful playing, Ellen! A performance full of flair of elegance.

25. Ganddalf - Tango
A fun tango piece. Nice job.
Posted By: Ido Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/26/21 08:34 PM
11. JJHLH - Feuillet d'Album Op 45, No 1
Beautiful. You have the expression ability of a really experienced pianist...
I might give this piece a try.

12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576
Great playing with a lot of expression. Really good. I'd even say it sounds like a professional recording.

15. Serge88 - Boogie Blues Etude
Love Aimee! Great playing, very crisp. You seem at home playing this style.

26. lilypad - The Bass Man Walketh
Awesome playing, very groovy!
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/26/21 10:33 PM
Originally Posted by Calavera
21. Calavera - Theme of Love
You again with your saccharine music?
.

Some of us happen to think that saccharin has an old fashioned charm . . .
Posted By: Wie Waldi Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/26/21 11:38 PM
Thanks a lot QuasiUnaFantasia, AndresVel for listening and for your kind words.
And special thanks to facdo for you detailed analysis. You are absolutely right about my hands getting tense. In the video you can see a post-it under my clock, telling me to sit straight and relax my wrists. Actually at my recording it got already a lot better than on the time I started to learn this piece. I had big issues with an extra tight left hand, always hitting the notes with a hammer force. This resulted in a very loud and unpleasant bass. And still you could see there had been some issues left. Your suggested to learn more shorter and easy pieces and this is exactly what I am slowly transitioning into. Let's hear again in October recital with our beginner pieces!
Posted By: QuentinP Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/27/21 01:29 AM
Thanks AndresVel and Calavera, your comments are much appreciated!
Posted By: SMA55 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/27/21 01:44 AM
I realize that this discussion thread is intended to be for the discussion of recital performances, and indeed I will be discussing one below. But seeing as how, during the course of this recital, multiple discordant comments were made by some people in this discussion, regarding the issue of feedback itself (i.e. what kind of feedback people desire, and how to give constructive feedback, if it's indicated, so as not to offend the recipient), I did want hopefully to smooth some ruffled feathers.

First, I've been in touch privately with Sam S, and I had made the suggestion to him that on future recital submission forms, perhaps the question as to what kind of technical feedback is desired could be answered with one of three choices; "1. None; 2: Positive feedback only, please; or 3. Well-intended constructive feedback of all kinds are welcome"--with the default being "None", should the question be left unanswered. He replied that he has a "3-tiered system" for technical feedback that's already in the works for future recitals. That's great! And I'm hopeful that in the future this might help to prevent some hurt feelings over feedback given.

Second, I've been in touch privately with KevinM, whom I myself had unintentionally offended a couple of recitals ago, with a criticism that went on too long, in my failed attempt to be clever and funny. In our private discussion, I apologized to Kevin once again with a bit more of an explanation, and I'm happy to say that he accepted it. As a show of good faith, he even asked for me to provide him with some feedback on his current recital performance, and that follows below. Needless to say, there will be no jokes this time!


35. KevinM - Songs Without Words Opus 19 No. 1
Like you, Kevin, I happen to love much of Mendelssohn's work. I've heard it said that his compositions are not particularly profound, but I disagree with this judgement. It's said that as a child, he was strongly influenced by J.S. Bach and C.P.E. Bach, and in my opinion, that influence is manifest in the counterpoint often found in Mendelssohn's works. I'm not sure why that isn't seen as profound by some.

As for you, Kevin, I can see a progression in your skill as a pianist over the course of the last few recitals. You're clearly working hard at the piano, and your hard work is showing. So congratulations on that! Your latest performance very much demonstrates your love for this piece (it just so happens that this is my own personal favorite selection of his "Songs Without Words"), and it was a pleasure for me to listen to. I think you did a pretty darned good job with it, and I'm quite aware that this is NOT an easy piece to play well. You mentioned in your notes some difficulty that you had in playing the piece up to tempo, but I'm confident that will come for you with continued work on it. You also mentioned your difficulty in bringing out the melody above the accompaniment, and that is indeed tricky with this piece. But you already know about all of that, so I won't belabor those points. The only suggestion I will give to you--in case you aren't already aware of it--is that the left hand at times is subtly assigned the role of carrying the melody in this piece. I will point out two key but subtle places where this is the case in the first part of the piece.

The first place is actually in the opening two measures. There the right hand is playing the arpeggiated tonic and dominant chords, which are actually the accompaniment. The left hand playing the sequence of bass notes, E-G#-F#-B, is actually a melody of sorts here, so those notes need to be brought out above the right hand's playing. But not just in a haphazard way; rather those notes need to be shaped, in my opinion, to follow the contours of their pitches. So first, E its played at a moderate volume (above the right hand's accompaniment), then G# louder, then F# down a notch, followed by the B being played softest of all (but still standing out a bit above the accompanying right hand). And then, on the 4th beat of measure 2, the right hand takes over in the melody-making department, with the A which is the beginning of its melodic theme.

The second place where the left hand needs to be brought out involves measures 8-10. It may not be obvious, but in these measures the right hand and left hand are engaged in a "calling out and answering" dialog. Specifically, in measures 8-9, the right hand calls out with the quarter notes G# and C#, and the left hand answers (or echoes) it with the quarter notes G# and E (in measure 9). Then in measures 9-10, the right hand again calls out with the quarter notes G# and C#, but this time the left hand answers with the quarter notes G# and E# (in measure 10). The point is that all 8 of those quarter notes by which the left hand is answering the right's must be brought out/voiced above the accompanying sixteenth notes in these measures. This is a little tough, because the left hand is also playing some of those sixteenth notes at the same time. So, I suggest that you practice playing just those quarter notes of the right and left hands in measures 8-10, so that you can clearly imprint them in your brain as being the melody that needs to be brought out.

I hope these suggestions might help you in some way. Really good job with a difficult piece, Kevin! Keep up the good work!
Posted By: hawgdriver Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/27/21 02:40 AM
Just did a driveby and listened to facdo's Op. 90/2 Schubert impromptu, Ellen's K331/1, QuentinP's BWV 853 prelude, and SMA55's K545.

Outstanding! You should be pleased and satisfied with your efforts, the music came through.
Posted By: KevinM Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/27/21 07:13 AM
Originally Posted by SMA55
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35. KevinM - Songs Without Words Opus 19 No. 1
Like you, Kevin, I happen to love much of Mendelssohn's work. I've heard it said that his compositions are not particularly profound, but I disagree with this judgement. It's said that as a child, he was strongly influenced by J.S. Bach and C.P.E. Bach, and in my opinion, that influence is manifest in the counterpoint often found in Mendelssohn's works. I'm not sure why that isn't seen as profound by some.

The first place is actually in the opening two measures. There the right hand is playing the arpeggiated tonic and dominant chords, which are actually the accompaniment. The left hand playing the sequence of bass notes, E-G#-F#-B, is actually a melody of sorts here, so those notes need to be brought out above the right hand's playing. But not just in a haphazard way; rather those notes need to be shaped, in my opinion, to follow the contours of their pitches. So first, E its played at a moderate volume (above the right hand's accompaniment), then G# louder, then F# down a notch, followed by the B being played softest of all (but still standing out a bit above the accompanying right hand). And then, on the 4th beat of measure 2, the right hand takes over in the melody-making department, with the A which is the beginning of its melodic theme.

The second place where the left hand needs to be brought out involves measures 8-10. It may not be obvious, but in these measures the right hand and left hand are engaged in a "calling out and answering" dialog. Specifically, in measures 8-9, the right hand calls out with the quarter notes G# and C#, and the left hand answers (or echoes) it with the quarter notes G# and E (in measure 9). Then in measures 9-10, the right hand again calls out with the quarter notes G# and C#, but this time the left hand answers with the quarter notes G# and E# (in measure 10). The point is that all 8 of those quarter notes by which the left hand is answering the right's must be brought out/voiced above the accompanying sixteenth notes in these measures. This is a little tough, because the left hand is also playing some of those sixteenth notes at the same time. So, I suggest that you practice playing just those quarter notes of the right and left hands in measures 8-10, so that you can clearly imprint them in your brain as being the melody that needs to be brought out.

Thanks for this Shepherd, I new something was missing. I had realized something was up in those first two measures and had attempted to make those left hand notes sound above the playing of the arpeggios, but you have demonstrated why that isn't enough.

That calling out and answering dialog in measures 8-10 is something else that really makes this piece something special. I've been so caught up with just having control of the dynamics in those measures I've neglected this aspect and I really need to get it right.

These are just such great insights, thank you.
Posted By: barbaram Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/27/21 10:04 AM
Life got in the way, so my next batch of comments are much later than planned.


08. Peyton - Gnossienne For Stella
This is terrific, I love the mood and style. As well as the referenced Satie Gnossiennes, it brings to mind Michael Nyman’s “The Piano” both due to the lovely ripple of the arpeggiated LH and slightly Scottish flavour to the melody. I’m another who would love a copy of the score you have generously offered to share. Sending best healing wishes to Stella too.

09. QuasiUnaFantasia - Stimmungsbilder, opus 9 no. 4: Traumerei
Gorgeous. Not a composer I would have looked to for piano music, and if I did this is probably not what I would have expected – but then as you say in your notes those were pretty much your thoughts too.
Lovely delicate playing which transmits the dreaminess very effectively.

10. Flygbladet - Tonbilder part 2 "barnmenuett" (Childrens menuett)
I liked this piece, lots of different moods in a relatively short space as I know others have mentioned. I imagine it as children playing at being grownups at a dance, and exaggerating each element, so being extra delicate and dainty in parts, and then stomping around with fun and energy when the music gets more barnstorming.
And yes, the name of the piece does find me involuntarily imagining that they are doing all of this in a barn too, which is unreasonable of me since I am entirely familiar with the Scottish word “bairn” which means a child and must be related.
Your playing does it good justice, even, accurate, nicely contrasting different sections etc.
As to how to rekindle enthusiasm, what I find works for me is to focus only on what I find most fun and/or what most calls me to do it. Let go of any sense of what you “should” be working on or how you “should” do it, and just try to enjoy. And keep it short if that’s all you feel like, but try to reintroduce consistency. Good luck

11. JJHLH - Feuillet d'Album Op 45, No 1
How lovely! Your delicate touch is just right for this piece.
I have never played any Scriabin and yet every time I hear his pieces in ABF recitals I enjoy them. I intend to remedy this situation and learn some.

12. pianist685 (Constantin) - Prelude and Allegro HWV 576
Love the harpsichord VST! Perfect for this piece. I really enjoyed the energy, mood and musical variety you brought out in it.

13. Alpha Terminus - Lotus Land
Welcome back to the group Alpha Terminus! Fab piece, I really love the moodiness of it.

14. AndresVel - Two-Part Inventions, No. 8 in F major (BWV 779)
I love this Invention. Bach is always deceptively tricky in my experience – this piece looks simple on the sheet but putting it together is no easy task. You’ve done a terrific job particularly for the amount of time you’ve been playing. Accurate, nicely balanced and a pleasure to listen to.
If you were to come back to this in the future, one additional aspect to consider would be to think about the flow of the melodic lines and the shaping of the phrases. But you are right to feel proud of this, great job.
Posted By: lilypad Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/27/21 05:35 PM
Ido - Thank you for listening and the nice comment. I missed hearing one of your fine compositions in this recital. I'm pretty sure I listened to everyone. I recall enjoying your submissions for recital #62 and the July piano bar. Maybe we'll hear from you in recital #64.
Posted By: Calavera Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/28/21 07:01 AM
26. lilypad - The Bass Man Walketh
Fun and classy!

27. Jason Lenthe - Nocturne in G Minor Op. 15 No. 3
Nice playing. I enjoyed the dynamics and variations across your performance.

28. rwsavory - The Poet Speaks - Op 15 "Scenes from Childhood"
A beautiful performance with a pensive and wistful tone.

29. bSharp(C)yclist (Dan) - Consolation, Op. 30, No. 3
Nice and expressive playing. I like how this piece's beautiful opening shows up again at the end.

30. Wie Waldi - The Entertainer
It sounds like the piece really had you in its thralls. An enjoyably jaunty performance.


Originally Posted by peterws
Originally Posted by Calavera
21. Calavera - Theme of Love
You again with your saccharine music?

Some of us happen to think that saccharin has an old fashioned charm . . .

So do I, Peter, though we might be a dying breed.
Posted By: Ido Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/28/21 08:42 AM
Originally Posted by lilypad
Ido - Thank you for listening and the nice comment. I missed hearing one of your fine compositions in this recital. I'm pretty sure I listened to everyone. I recall enjoying your submissions for recital #62 and the July piano bar. Maybe we'll hear from you in recital #64.

Thank you so much, lilypad, it's very nice of you. For some reason I don't feel the urge to share my recordings lately (perhaps I'm just too busy), but still, it's fun to listen to all these great submissions!
Posted By: barbaram Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/28/21 09:06 AM
15. Serge88 - Boogie Blues Etude
Love it! Energy, heart, bounce and a great sense of fun. I’ve played around a bit with blues improv (at a very basic level) in recent years but it still feels so daunting and challenging to deviate from the sheet music. You make it seem more natural (whether or not that’s how it feels for you, you carry it off with aplomb!)

16. vte - Vieux Noel in G minor
Very pretty. It is actually an excellent idea to learn some Christmas music earlier in the year, that way you actually have something seasonal you can play properly when the time rolls round. I’m almost never in the mood until December, so never have anything Christmassy that is performable. Will I take any action thanks to having this insight on 27 Aug? Unlikely smile

17. dumka1 - Prelude Op. 11 no 2
Lovely. The sound and tone particularly captured my attention and when I read your notes I saw why – how fab to record on a Steinway Grand in a church. Your playing does justice to the beautiful instrument too, simply gorgeous.

18. psyche23 (Edwin) - Le Piccadilly
What a gem, lovely energy and verve

19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements
Always something of interest in your improvisations Ted. I especially liked the very opening

20. QuentinP - WTK 1 Prelude 8 Eb minor
Gorgeous, pensive of mood with plenty going on.

21. Calavera - Theme of Love
While you may have found that this piece lacked a certain depth after you’d been working on it for a while (something I’ve experienced too), for a fresh listener it has lots to offer. I appreciate the selections of music from the world of video games that you contribute here – it’s really opened my eyes to the richness and variety of music coming from this source. And I enjoyed this one very much too.
(In fact now I’m off to find sheet music for a piece from Minecraft my son wants to learn!)
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/28/21 09:44 PM
Originally Posted by barbaram
19. Ted Jones - Wet Pavements
Always something of interest in your improvisations Ted. I especially liked the very opening

Thanks for listening. I am not very good at beginnings and endings at the best of times, and this was an opening only inasmuch as it started a six minute selection from an hour of recording. But it pleases me that you found something of interest.
Posted By: Ido Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/29/21 06:02 PM
06. barbaram - Dansul Romanesc
Really nice upbeat piece. I like the playing which was very musical.

07. MarieJ - Gnossienne No. 1
Lovely playing. Great piano sound, very pleasant.

09. QuasiUnaFantasia - Stimmungsbilder, opus 9 no. 4: Traumerei
Very interesting piece. Great expressive playing (BTW I didn't like the piano sound very much, it has noticeable artificial attributes).

10. Flygbladet - Tonbilder part 2 "barnmenuett" (Childrens menuett)
Superb playing. You keep it interesting and very enjoyable, which is a rare ability IMO. There's never a dull moment.
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 08/30/21 10:55 PM
I’m somewhat late, but wanted to thank Sam, and everyone who commented on my submission. I really appreciate the time and trouble you've taken to listen and provide advice and support; such helpful and very kind feedback is invaluable.
Posted By: Ralphiano Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 09/01/21 03:26 AM
Sam,

Thank you for posting the links to the zip files of the recital performances. My web browser no longer plays music so I cannot listen to the recital mp3 player. Thanks for all you do for us.
Posted By: Rachtoven Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 09/08/21 10:40 AM
Thanks to peterws, tyschoco, facdo, QuasiUnaFantasia, PianogrlNW, ranjit, MarieJ for their comments on my submission. Some of the comments are quite detailed and I am considering them in my interpretation of the piece.

Sorry for the lateness of my reply but I was busy getting ready for and then enjoying a vacation.
Posted By: Calavera Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 09/12/21 07:58 AM
I'm fashionably late to the party, but I've finished listening to the submissions and wanted to share some quick thoughts!

31. winterflower - I soar now the embers have cooled
I have a soft spot for this kind of piano sound, and it suits the pensive mood of your improvisation.

32. Maira713 - Op. 1 No. 4 ("24 Short and Easy Pieces for Keyboard")
The slower tempo gives the piece a quaint charm. It really does evoke a ballerina in a music box.

33. joangolfing - Air Suisse Op. 36 No.5
Interesting piece. I didn't mind the changes you made to the tempo.

34. Moo smile - Songs without words opus 38 no 3
Great sense of momentum and musicality. Nice work on this challenging piece.

35. KevinM - Songs Without Words Opus 19 No. 1
I don't know the piece well enough to comment on your performance's flaws, but what I can say is that I found it highly enjoyable and expressive.

36. Talao - Sonatina in G Major Anh. 5 (both movements)
Lovely piano sound and nice playing. I enjoyed the lithe energy of your performance.

37. Purrblast - Sonatina in A minor (Op. 27. No. 18)
Thanks for submitting some great Kabalevsky music. This is a fun, clean and enjoyable performance.

38. facdo - Impromptu in E flat Major Op.90 No.2
That's some impressive work facdo. This does sound like the kind of piece where I'd really struggle to bring out the musicality, but you've managed this adeptly in your performance. I didn't notice the mistakes.

39. Snejana - Contemplation
I'll always prefer more pronounced melodies to contemplative music, but I thought your performance was pleasant and soothing.

40. PikaPianist - Waltz Op. 39, No. 9
Tchaikovsky is a gift that keeps on giving! I enjoyed your clean performance and the whimsical insouciance it evoked. Great piano sound too.

41. Augustina - Expression
I'd never have guessed you'd only practised this for a few days, if you hadn't mentioned it. This sounds quite polished to me and I only noticed a couple of hesitations. A beautiful and evocative piece.

42. Amy H - Story of You
A beautiful and expressive performance. Nice control and delicate touch!

43. selfishplayer - Keyboard concerto no.7 in g minor BWV - 1058 first movement - Allegro piano solo
I think I noticed a couple of slightly uneven parts (though I might be wrong), but you did a good job in terms of musicality anyway, and that's what matters most to me.

44. Rachtoven - Consolation No. 3
I loved this, Rachtoven! An exquisite and expressive performance. As far as I can tell, you chose the right recording to submit.

45. tyschoco - Sonatina in G Major, Op 55 No.2 1st Movement, Allegretto
That was a fun sonatina to listen to. Nice control and clean playing.

46. Pathbreaker - Alte Liebe
A highly polished performance that's a treat to listen to. Really great job on the expression and nuances.


Originally Posted by barbaram
21. Calavera - Theme of Love
While you may have found that this piece lacked a certain depth after you’d been working on it for a while (something I’ve experienced too), for a fresh listener it has lots to offer. I appreciate the selections of music from the world of video games that you contribute here – it’s really opened my eyes to the richness and variety of music coming from this source. And I enjoyed this one very much too.
(In fact now I’m off to find sheet music for a piece from Minecraft my son wants to learn!)

Thanks barbaram! I'm not familiar with the music from Minecraft, but I'm sure you'll make your son happy!

Thanks again everyone for all the enjoyable music, and the helpful comments. See you in the next recital folks!
Posted By: dumka1 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 09/12/21 01:38 PM
Thanks again to everyone for the comments on my Scriabin, your encouraging feedback means a lot to me. Congratulations on another great recital.
You never really know when the last comments have come in, but I suspect that the party is really about over now. At any rate, I would like to also thank AndresVel, barbaram, and Ido for the generous comments on my contribution. Which I hereby do. smile
Posted By: Maira713 Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 09/19/21 09:34 AM
I would also like to thank all of you for this inspiring recital, and specially Wie Waldi, AndresVel, lilypad, QuentinP, PianogrINW, peterws, Sam S, Rachtoven, QuaseUnaFantasia, facdo, MarieJ and Calavera for your encouraging comments!

I don’t have yet the knowledge to contribute with feedback to others, but I feel very inspired by the level of the pieces presented. I confess I feel a little intimidated by the "adult beginners" with a lifetime of experience, but on the other hand, I feel encouraged whenever I see/hear a beautiful performance by someone with less than 10 years of learning piano. This means I can also get to that level, with patience and practice!

Once again, thank you all so much for the positive comments. It means a lot!

And sorry for not writing back earlier. This past month I had to deal with some family issues and didn’t want to be on the internet much.
Posted By: Talão Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 09/19/21 03:07 PM
Originally Posted by Calavera
36. Talao - Sonatina in G Major Anh. 5 (both movements)
Lovely piano sound and nice playing. I enjoyed the lithe energy of your performance.

Thank you for listening, Calavera! And thank you for the feedback! Very much appreciated.
Posted By: Peyton Re: Recital #63 - General Discussion Room - 09/19/21 11:49 PM
I've been away from the computer so have not had a chance to comment on most pieces but... my thanks go out to all of you that took the time to listen and especially to comment on my original. It means a lot. Some sent me a private message asking for the score and if anyone else would like it please send me your e-mail address.

I know I have not had a chance to comment on as many as I usually do but you guys (and gals) are truly amazing. Everyone deserves a pat on the back and a toast... so well done. The recital has gone miles above where it started. As always.. special thanks to Sam and to Monica (still love you lady and miss you badly) and to the Super Hunk... (I hope you are well my friend). Cheers.
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