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Unfortunately here at school, I don't have cable and I can't get PBS to come through with the antenna, but at least they say the DVD is going on sale on the Cliburn website on Oct. 14. Plus they now archived the finalists performances with video so you can see the performances and they improved the connection so it's really good quality now. I'll have that to sustain me until the 14th.

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Here in cleveland on WVIZ it doesnt air until sunday 10/9 at 4:30pm.

Although I see on WVIZ HD, it airs a dozen times all week long. I thought I had digital cable, why do I not get WVIZ HD??


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I sometimes wonder how the jury/judges decide who is best, does it help if the aspiring pianist knows one of the judges? Can't hurt.

I've heard anecdotes.... and they're not pretty. There are apparently many cases of luck and politics playing the major role in who wins. By no means do I believe that all competitions are fixed. But there's plenty of stories going around suggesting some rather dubious goings on in the outcomes of some competitions.

For example, you ask if it helps to 'know' a judge? From what I've heard, sleeping with one helps a lot. a WHOLE lot. [/b]
Any competition that is subjective or has a subjective element seems open for politics, Nationalism and other shenanigans. Ice Skating, Gymnastics, Beauty Pagents, Ball Room Dancing, Dog/Cat/Horse shows. JMO

It is a sad fact that sometimes the best one out there doesn't take the prize home. Shouldn't happen that way, as the best should always be placed on top of the stand or in the ribbons. But sometimes it does happen that a lesser competitor beats out a better competitor because of corruption in reguards to judging at events where there is subjective things to score or grade.
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It is a sad fact that sometimes the best one out there doesn't take the prize home.
...but this time the best one did take the top prize home!

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Any competition that is subjective or has a subjective element seems open for politics, Nationalism and other shenanigans. Ice Skating, Gymnastics, Beauty Pagents, Ball Room Dancing, Dog/Cat/Horse shows. JMO

It is a sad fact that sometimes the best one out there doesn't take the prize home. Shouldn't happen that way, as the best should always be placed on top of the stand or in the ribbons. But sometimes it does happen that a lesser competitor beats out a better competitor because of corruption in reguards to judging at events where there is subjective things to score or grade.
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I didnt attend, but the 2003 Cleveland Competition produced a winner so unluckly that even the local paper's write up couldnt help but remark about it being a suspicious choice. Everything I read about that competition mentions that the winner has his work cut out for him in proving himself, because he was just so clearly out played by his peers during the event. Many eyebrows were raised.

Again, I didnt attend, so I cant comment first hand. But there seemed to be much embarasssment over that decision.

But you are correct. Human bias is unavoidable with the slightest subjective element. And anytime you put more than two people together on a task, you have politics. How frustrating that peoples careers are made or broken based on something so arbitrary.


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I'm watching it now!

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I really don't care who wins. laugh
They're all great pianists.


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I am watching too. Big Fun!!!

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Just watched the competition on PBS channel 13 - wish it had been longer.

I agree, they are all winners and I hope they have successful careers. smile

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the film of the 2001 was better for me.. loved seeing Olga Kern..

I'm filled with a great sadness... without the chance to EVER be up on that stage with an orchestra.. frown


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<font size="+30" color = "red">COULD JOYCE YANG BE ANY MORE VAPID??????</FONT>

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"So the Takacs quartet called and they...like...uh...want me to play on their concerts...so...uh...I guess I have to play Schumann really well...or something!"

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I liked Yang.
She seemed so unpretentious.
If I were expressing my unbridled excitement to a relative on the phone (as Yang seemd to be doing) I doubt I'd be uttering anything particularly profound.

I came away liking Mazo as well. She comes off as a musician not a show[wo]man. Cabassi was really down to earth as well.

Of those featured heavily, Kobrin was the only one that appeared rather frigid.

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"So the Takacs quartet called and they...like...uh...want me to play on their concerts...so...uh...I guess I have to play Schumann really well...or something!"
Give her a break, she's 19 and just got the Silver in one of the world's biggest competitions. Wouldn't you be a little slap-happy? (And besides, she's cute! 3hearts )

While I'm here, I suppose I could post my thoughts on the documentary: I liked it quite a lot, even though it was so very different from the 2001 documentary that I've treasured for so long. This filmmaker seemed more into "getting inside" the artists' minds, finding out what they think about their craft, how they react to their fame, etc. "Playing on the Edge" focused more on the excitement/suspense of competition; almost a high brow reality show setting. wink I was very happy that they put in the conversation between Mr. Pressler and the young pianist-Pressler teaches at my school and I have always found his insight (in public speeches, etc, I don't study with him) to be deeply thought-provoking, even moving.

My 2.8 cents.

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I watched it last night on PBS from NY. I liked Cabassi best although it might have been because of the pieces he played.

Kobrin seemed to lack great emotion to me.

I taped it and I'll have to watch it again to see if I come to the same conclusions.

Question: How does one get into this competition? Are you invited? Do you "try-out"?

PS It's poor that these guys smoke!


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As far as I could tell, the only airing time for this show on the Topeka PBS station ( and the Kansas City PBS station is BLOCKED from Topeka cable viewers ) was at 3:00 AM CST Wednesday morning. (about 8 hours ago). I had to stay up to watch it cause my VCR ate and digested the tape I was going to record it on. (Then it crapped out completely) Enjoyed the show, but I'm probably not going to enjoy the rest of the day.

I still think O.J. did it. ( that's what was on earlier in the PBS evening. ) Also watched (at 2:00 AM) the Nova program about that huge Japanese battleship that US planes sank in near the end of W.W.II. Each gun turret weighed 3 THOUSAND TONS! If a typical semitrailer can hold 20 tons, it would take 150 trucks to support that load!!

I think I'll go take a nap at lunchtime. smile

Apple, I'm going to send you a PM. It won't SAY anything of importance, but see if you receive it, and then send something equally vapid ( thanks, Brendan, I hadn't thought of that word for a long time . .. not since the last time we spoke, as a matter of fact. :p )... back to my PW PM box so I can see if its still working. All my PM's got cleared out somehow , and I just want to check its current functionality. smile Thanks.


(If you want, I can just write the vapid phrase and you can just cut and paste it for the return trip. Here's my cell-phone number, so you can call me to discus this choice ... 911-911-9111. ) Talk to you soon! laugh :rolleyes:

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Kobrin doesn't need to show all those faces as LL to play music well and convey the emotions going with it. 'lack of emotion'? who want to see anybody looking like LL on stage all the time? give me a break... it's a piano compitition not a personality contest.

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- wondering if I too am vapid


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Kobrin doesn't need to show all those faces as LL to play music well and convey the emotions going with it. 'lack of emotion'? who want to see anybody looking like LL on stage all the time? give me a break... it's a piano compitition not a personality contest.
Leave LL out of this ....

Comparing Kobrin with LL? Truly laughable ... Winning a competition proves what???

You guys think you can trash LL any chance you have????

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