2017 was our 20th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments.
Over 100,000 members from around the world.
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Shop our online store for music lovers
SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
(ad)
Wessell Nickel & Gross
PianoForAll
Who's Online Now
53 members (36251, Augustina, APianistHasNoName, accordeur, Bostonmoores, danno858, c++, anotherscott, Coda9, 7 invisible), 1,412 guests, and 697 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 30,341
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
OP Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 30,341
At the interesting suggestion of JBiegel I am starting this thread. His idea for it appears near the end of the recent Schubert thread.

Here's one example that comes to mind. Beethoven disliked his 32 Variations in c minor(why I don't know)yet today they are almost universally praised and appear quite often in concert.

Are there other works that you can add to this list of liked/disliked works(by the composer of the work)?

Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 6,163
S
6000 Post Club Member
Offline
6000 Post Club Member
S
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 6,163
For Chopin, obviously his early Sonata in c minor. Though assigned Op. 4, it remained unpublished until after his death. For pieces in his conventional oeuvre, though, I'd have to defer to those with greater knowledge than mine.

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 360
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 360
Ravel didn't like his Bolero and was very surprised at its success.

Tchaikovsky didn't like The Nutcracker.

Chopin didn't dislike it but he thought that the black key etude was insignificant.

Rachmaninoff's favorite piece that he wrote was "The Bells", which most people have never heard of, let alone heard. I lost my recording of it.... frown


Help people. www.thehungersite.com
Go and click the button. That's it. Just do it.
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 13,837
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 13,837
Ives claimed that his setting of Psalm 90 was his favorite work. It's also my favorite work of his, and it's a mystery to me why it's not performed more often.


"If we continually try to force a child to do what he is afraid to do, he will become more timid, and will use his brains and energy, not to explore the unknown, but to find ways to avoid the pressures we put on him." (John Holt)

www.pianoped.com
www.youtube.com/user/UIPianoPed
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,789
B
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
B
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,789
Quote
Originally posted by op30no3:
Tchaikovsky didn't like The Nutcracker.
I remember hearing that when Tchaikovsky wrote the "1812" and his "Serenade for Strings" that he wasn't overly fond of the 1812 and basically did it because he was obligated to (i.e. he was commissioned to) while he had great fondness for the Serenade.

Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,130
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,130
Rachmaninoff grew to hate his Prelude in c# minor...


What you are is an accident of birth. What I am, I am through my own efforts. There have been a thousand princes and there will be a thousand more. There is one Beethoven.
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 360
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 360
Quote
Originally posted by 8ude:
Rachmaninoff grew to hate his Prelude in c# minor...
I'm getting there myself...


Help people. www.thehungersite.com
Go and click the button. That's it. Just do it.
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,392
A
9000 Post Club Member
Offline
9000 Post Club Member
A
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,392
Are we speaking of works disliked because the composer felt them to be poorly written or because of runaway success? The Rachmaninov mentioned above, the Paderewski Minuet in G and the Liszt 2nd Rhapsody would fall into the latter category.

As for the Beethoven C minor Variations, I've always wondered if he made his disparaging remark with a twinkle in the eye, or perhaps after a few wines. Brahms destroyed some of his earlier works because he didn't feel them worthy. The great Eb minor Scherzo is undoubtedly from a sonata that must have dwarfed the F minor.

Finally, in delicious irony, Sullivan never cared much for his collaborations with W.S. Gilbert, yet he needed the income to support his lavish lifestyle. Sullivan was certain his sanctimonious church music and stillborn opera Ivanhoe would grant his immortality.


Jason
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 631
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 631
Gollerich's diary notes from his masterclasses with Liszt are full of disparaging remarks from Liszt concerning his own compositions. Reading it, it's hard to find anything of his own he had a good word for! Some examples:

Miserere after Palestrina, and Andante Lagrimoso - "Despised things, cast out and completely bad!"

Variations on "Weinen, Klagen..." - At the magnificent dreamy section, he said "Now it will get more and more boring. If you want to be poorly reviewed, you must play this. It will then be reported, 'The talent of the young artist cannot be denied - it is only regrettable that he hit upon such a terrible selection of pieces'. The whole thing is a posthumous work by Gottschalk, the composer of Le Bananier. I take a little pride in this passage in sixths" [bars 33-41]

He didn't like hearing his E major Polonaise - "No, I cannot listen to that anymore". And again - "Today it is inconceivable to me how someone is able to bring that to me: shame on you - everyone plays that today!"

Some good words for La Leggierezza - "That is not such a bad piece; in its day nothing like it had been heard or even written".

It's a great book, highly recommended.

Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 985
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 985
I don't think Rachmaninov could've much liked his first Symphony after its premiere either!

In perhaps the most humbling case of all, Henri Dutilleux disowned a number of his early works, many of which are essentially masterpieces in the minds of most listeners, simply because they were too derivative from earlier composers.
How anyone could disown a flute and piano sonatine of that caliber is amazing, but his integrity is commendable!

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,392
A
9000 Post Club Member
Offline
9000 Post Club Member
A
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,392
Quote
Originally posted by kcoul058:
...but his integrity is commendable!
Hovhaness was supposedly a man of great integrity, though he seems to have worked almost completely on automatic pilot. Most of what I've heard seems little more than modal noodling, though he is reportedly very popular with some folks in the States.


Jason
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 8,483
8000 Post Club Member
Offline
8000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 8,483
Beethoven didn't like too much his 32 variations in c minor, because it's leaning towards some 'Romantic' ideas (according to Rosen). but i love that piece.

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 30,341
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
OP Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 30,341
Quote
Originally posted by 8ude:
Rachmaninoff grew to hate his Prelude in c# minor...
But perhaps only because he was forced to play it so often, not because he thought it an inferior work.

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 360
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 360
Quote
Originally posted by pianoloverus:
Quote
Originally posted by 8ude:
[b] Rachmaninoff grew to hate his Prelude in c# minor...
But perhaps only because he was forced to play it so often, not because he thought it an inferior work. [/b]
Oh, absolutely, and that is why I don't like it either.


Help people. www.thehungersite.com
Go and click the button. That's it. Just do it.
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 191
B
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
B
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 191
Beethoven disliked the popularity of "Moonlight" Sonata. He's been quoted as saying- "Everybody is always talking about the C Sharp Minor Sonata! Surely I have written better things. There is the Sonata in F Sharp Major(Opus 78)-That is something very different"

Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 51
M
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
M
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 51
MacDowell thought so badly of his "To a wild rose" composition that he reportly threw it in the fire. His wife rescued it.

Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 989
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 989
Beethoven told the publisher that the Sonata opus 22 "hat sich gewaschen." (Hope that's spelled right.) I think that means it is the cat's pajamas.

Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 180
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 180
I've read that Chopin didn't want Fantasie Impromptu published because he felt he stole some melodies from Beethoven. I also read he wanted all of his unpublished works burned after his death. Good thing they weren't.


John Coltrane saved my life.
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 314
P
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
P
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 314
Saint-Saens didn't like Carnival of the Animals.
I heard Debussy too didn't like his famous Child's Corner suite...

Those old timers sure were averse to stardom and fame! smile


gggEb!
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,392
A
9000 Post Club Member
Offline
9000 Post Club Member
A
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,392
Quote
Originally posted by pianoid:
Saint-Saens didn't like Carnival of the Animals.
That's only what Saint-Saens said in public. Doesn't ring true. I think he secretly loved the satire and inside jokes behind this brilliant tour de force.


Jason
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Brendan, Kreisler 

Link Copied to Clipboard
(ad)
Pianoteq
Steinway Spiro Layering
(ad)
PianoDisc

PianoDisc
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Mason & Hamlin Pianos
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Ten greatest Chopin works
by pianoloverus - 07/24/21 08:34 PM
KORG DS-1H pedal issues with Korg D1
by Mta88 - 07/24/21 04:28 PM
What is this musical symbol?
by pianoloverus - 07/24/21 02:55 PM
I Want To Be Happy
by Simon_b - 07/24/21 02:20 PM
Download Sheet Music
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Forum Statistics
Forums42
Topics208,192
Posts3,116,054
Members102,225
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers

Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads



 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | MapleStreetMusicShop.com - Our store in Cornish Maine


© copyright 1997 - 2021 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5