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What is a Rawlings Piano? I'm looking to buy a new piano and a company in Bellingham, WA claims the Rawlings is "their" piano. I don't know if that means they make them or if they put their name on another piano. Their description makes it sound like a Brodmann. Any insight you can provide is helpful. I think they offer Wa State residents their whole sale price. For example a 5'5" grand for $9k. thanks


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It's a stencil piano made in China that they put their name on. Brodmann? unlikely.


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And, the price seems high. Certainly not wholesale.


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sglynn,

Rawlings is a Private Label Stencil by Shanghai Macau.

Unless this has changed since my last visit to factory.

Not Broadmann quality or other better Chinese built pianos.

Definately have to agree with Steve about price.


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Are the Rawlings (or Stencil's) the quality of the Brodmann? They state German parts and cast metal. Or are they more like a Young Chang or Samick? The Young Changs and Samick's sell here for $7k and the Brodmann for $15k.


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Rawlings? Never heard of it. It does not appear in the 2008-2009 Piano Book Supplement

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Isn't that the one with the pigskin veneer and red lacings? :p

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Hey Don, don't "slam the grand"!


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Are the Rawlings (or Stencil's) the quality of the Brodmann? They state German parts and cast metal. Or are they more like a Young Chang or Samick? The Young Changs and Samick's sell here for $7k and the Brodmann for $15k.
These pianos are not even close to the YC or Samick.

I had a Eastern European-made piano with same virtues. It had:

A German made keyboard
American-made action
German strings
"European scale design"

All said and done, it's the sum of the parts that counts. The parts can be made anywhere in the world, but if they're poorly put together the piano will still be a PSO (Piano Shaped Object).

This particular piano was so poorly put together that it literally fell apart on me, and eventually I sold it at a loss.

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Rawlings is the piano brand that's sold by Amazon.com. They don't list a 5' 5" model, but do list a 5' 7" model for $8,695 + $27 shipping.

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I wonder how many Amazon has sold?


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What is a Rawlings Piano? I'm looking to buy a new piano and a company in Bellingham, WA claims the Rawlings is "their" piano. I don't know if that means they make them or if they put their name on another piano. Their description makes it sound like a Brodmann. Any insight you can provide is helpful. I think they offer Wa State residents their whole sale price. For example a 5'5" grand for $9k. thanks
With so many well regarded brands available, why would you, or anybody, want to buy a "House Brand Stenciled" piano.

Why not an Ellenburg, or a Cameron & Sons?
Or a PT Barnum Suckers & Sons, or an SG Lynn & Daughters?

As others have stated, and also in my opinion, $9000 for that piano ain't wholesale!

These "Off Brands" are beginning to proliferate on the internet.
Most all of them touting "German" this and that.

Try to resell one of these puppies if you quit playing it, and you'll soon find out what a "Bargain Price" you got when you bought it!

Rots of Ruck,

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With so many well regarded brands available, why would you, or anybody, want to buy a "House Brand Stenciled" piano.

Why not an Ellenburg, or a Cameron & Sons?
Or a PT Barnum Suckers & Sons, or an SG Lynn & Daughters?
Bear has a point, but then again, why buy a Cunningham? Why buy an Altenburg? Why would anyone have bought a Steinert ninety years ago?

Probably trust in the dealer, and confidence that the dealer would be there in the future to provide first-rate service.

There's a retailer in Orange County, CA who offers the Rawlins piano. His name is Rawlins. At first I thought his piano must be the same as the piano mentioned here. Apparently not. I don't know why anyone would buy it, but to be honest, when I played a few, they sounded good and played well. The dealer states pretty much the same story as Rich Galassini....contracted from China with some upgrades and tweaked at the shop to perfection.

Who do you trust? That's an individual decision.


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When I did a search for Rawlings Pianos, it listed the piano as made by Hyundai. I thought they were imported and distributed by Layton Rawlings and his son who do own a store located in Orange County, CA, but I might be mistaken. When it comes to pianos, trust your hands and your ears. And, trust your feelings about the dealer. You might also want to talk to some independent local techs about their experience with the piano in your area. Good luck!


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Layton Rawlins does import a piano, but it is a Rawlins and Co. without the "g" on the end of Rawlins. Seems to be a wholly different piano. Good luck!


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I can't stop myself ... My fingers are working by themselves. When you insult the Rawlings, it's a grand slam .... Arrgh! I could get several years in the punitentiary for that one. My apologies ...

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RAWLINGS is SGNILWAR backwards....he played cricket for India in the 1948 World Cup....in Rawlpindi, of all places....
When told that he had a piano named after him, he pronounced himself 'very pleased' even though he could only read the name in a mirror.


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Originally Posted by Peter Sumner- Piano Technician
RAWLINGS is SGNILWAR backwards....he played cricket for India in the 1948 World Cup....in Rawlpindi, of all places....
When told that he had a piano named after him, he pronounced himself 'very pleased' even though he could only read the name in a mirror.

Now that is funny. The info on Amazon is a little different

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Kim Rawlings, CEO and President of Rawlings Music Company, Inc., is an experienced professional. He has tuned for some of the greatest pianists and musicians in the world, including Liberace, Elton John, Count Basie, David Lanz, Tanya Tucker, Harry Belafonte, Johnny Mathis, Lorie Line, Bob Hope, and Barry Manilow.

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Why are you responding to a thread that was last posted on over a year ago?


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