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#366218 05/28/07 04:14 PM
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What are your favourite sonata form works or movements? Especially works, or movements of works that aren't called 'sonata' (like "Fantasy in C"), but nevertheless have the usual exposition, development, and recap, and possibly an introduction or coda; something that can be identified as having the sonata form. The Liszt sonata (or the like) perhaps stretches the form a bit too far to be mentioned, while the first movements of classical symphonies (and such) are too obvious for my purposes (finding interesting sonata form pieces that I haven't heard before, or haven't paid proper attention to), but never mind about that...

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Schumann Toccata!


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Liszt's Scherzo & March, and Wilde Jagd - seems unusual to find sonata form employed for an étude, but there it is.

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I'd second Schumann's Toccata!
Excelent work, and amazing performance by Pogorelich.

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Alkan's etude Comme le vent (from the Opus 39 set) is generally in sonata form, and manages to cram a helluva lot of notes (Prestissimamente 160=8th note) within about 4 1/2 minutes. Staggering.


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Oh, and I have this theory that Schumann's "Faschingsswanck aus Wien" is a sonata with the forms of the movements in reverse order. Compare it to the f minor Brahms sonata for example (another sonata with 5 movements.) The Schumann has:

I. Big Rondo Form
II. Weird short quiet thing
III. Scherzo
IV. Romance
V. Standard sonata form

Brahms Op. 5:

I. Standard sonata form
II. Romance
III. Scherzo
IV. Weird quiet thing
V. Big Rondo


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Interesting, thanks.

I must say I have difficulty seeing Wilde Jagd as a sonata form piece.

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I must say I have difficulty seeing Wilde Jagd as a sonata form piece.
First subject (C minor), short bridge, Second subject themes (E flat major), Development, Recapitulation of the Second Subject in the tonic major. The only deviation is the omission of the First Subject from the Recapitulation, but that's not without precedent (cf. Schubert).

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Thanks for the analysis. I was still following in the development, but then after that I began to question my flying analysis.

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Originally posted by Kreisler:
I have this theory that Schumann's "Faschingsswanck aus Wien" is a sonata with the forms of the movements in reverse order.
I. Big Rondo Form
II. Weird short quiet thing
III. Scherzo
IV. Romance
V. Standard sonata form
Interesting, but I think you're stretching things a bit. The "Wierd short quiet thing" is actually titled "Romanza", whilst the IV movement is titled "Intermezzo" (as it is in the Brahms), yet its passionate, etude-like onrush of notes would hardly qualify as a "Romance".

Whatever, the Faschingsschwank is top notch Schumann and unaccountably neglected on the concert stage. I played it during my teen years.


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