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I recently upgraded from Lite to Full version and I'm enjoying it a lot.

I have some questions meant for discussion with other enthusiasts of this beautiful piano VST.
I'm trying to find the optimal settings by trial and error, but perhaps I can save some time by applying settings that work well for other people, so any input is appreciated, thanks!

- What are your favorite mic positions? Do you prefer to use one or two (or even more) mic positions and why?

- What's your favorite combination of mic positions?
I have the additional Room and Hammer mic positions myself, they sound great, I especially like the Hammer and I thought these two would make a good combination for having a different and sort of supplementary character. For example, the Main and Close mics probably sound too similar to each other to make a good combination.

- Is there any particular combination of settings, such as the volume balance between the two, that works well for you when using two mic positions?

- From a technical viewpoint: Aren't there phasing issues when combining two (or more) mic positions? And if so, how can this be prevented (as much as reasonably possible)?
Something seems a little bit off to me when combining two mics.

- Do you use an external EQ and how do you prefer to set the EQ (roughly)?

- The Embertone runs quite well on my system, even when loading two mics. I do need to set a barely acceptable latency for it to run stable. The only real problem I have is I get massive CPU spikes when releasing the sustain pedal after playing many sustained notes/chords. Anything I can do to prevent these CPU spikes?

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Originally Posted by babama
I recently upgraded from Lite to Full version and I'm enjoying it a lot.

I have some questions meant for discussion with other enthusiasts of this beautiful piano VST.
I'm trying to find the optimal settings by trial and error, but perhaps I can save some time by applying settings that work well for other people, so any input is appreciated, thanks!

- What are your favorite mic positions? Do you prefer to use one or two (or even more) mic positions and why?

- What's your favorite combination of mic positions?
I have the additional Room and Hammer mic positions myself, they sound great, I especially like the Hammer and I thought these two would make a good combination for having a different and sort of supplementary character. For example, the Main and Close mics probably sound too similar to each other to make a good combination.

- Is there any particular combination of settings, such as the volume balance between the two, that works well for you when using two mic positions?

- From a technical viewpoint: Aren't there phasing issues when combining two (or more) mic positions? And if so, how can this be prevented (as much as reasonably possible)?
Something seems a little bit off to me when combining two mics.

- Do you use an external EQ and how do you prefer to set the EQ (roughly)?

- The Embertone runs quite well on my system, even when loading two mics. I do need to set a barely acceptable latency for it to run stable. The only real problem I have is I get massive CPU spikes when releasing the sustain pedal after playing many sustained notes/chords. Anything I can do to prevent these CPU spikes?

I mostly use only room microphone with external reverb and nothing more. Adding a hammer microphone is a good option though. Main and close microphones are also a good combination. Binaural is also excellent in the solo version. There's not much you can do when it comes to the CPU. Reducing the number of voices, eco on half pedal and only sustain button leave it on. Mostly that's what helps a little. There are more tips on the VI forum under the hood, but I haven't noticed any improvements so if you want to have a look and try it. From what I've noticed, people using a Mac computer have fewer problems.

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I love Emberton Walker. I use the close mic exclusively. I find that the mics do not mix well because of phasing issues. I use a little external reverb and eq to suit my room. I sometimes play only the sustain samples or only the regular audio nes. It’s so resonant (great!) that pedal down can be too much, depends on ghe piece and how good at pedal you are.

Re performance: set Kontakt -> preferences -> engine -> CPU overload protection to Disabled. Then play tons of voices till you max out (1 core of) your CPU and you hear crackles. Eyeball the number of voices. Then set the max number of voices below that number. Now it doesn't overload, and Kontakt will kill the correct / oldest voices and it plays fine. Eco mode is less vulnerable to this problem, but if you setup as I described even the HQ+, sustain samples, it all works fine.

For Walker fans I also recommend Pearl Concert Grand and Fluffy My Piano.


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I too am very fond of the sound of Embertone Walker. So good I disregard the average playability. I also use close mike only. High eq 2:00 mid eq 11:58 low eq 12:02 see not much. I use the 2 different velocity maps set at left side 0% right side 100% with no dark showing underneath them plus I use the Kontakt velocity map in KSP-factory-transform-linear at -7. I don't use Walker reverb at all I use the Acon Digital Verberate Basic 2 it's wonderful and it's free but you need a vst host to do that. Also I only run 256 voices and sounds fine to me. Good luck with it! MooganDavid

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I agree with the detailed posts above. The Steinway piano used is so resonant and well captured, that layering mics only tends to muddy the sound for me, and also present some phasing in certain regions/velocities. My favourites are the Hammer mics for a present, immediate tone, the Wide mics for a more "panoramic" image of the piano, and the Binaural which takes in some of the space the piano was captured in, but with a connection to a piano-in-front-of-you feeling. I leave the "sweetening" adjustments alone in the GUI, and give a slight very bump on the mid EQ dial. Apart from that, some external reverb to taste depending on the track, and a very subtle compressor & limiter down stream to help bring out the fullness & level.

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Thanks for the replies!

After testing some more, I also think that layering mics is not the way to go and I agree with Craig Richards on this.
I prefer the Hammer mic so far.
As for the sweetening options, the saturation is OK, but certainly not the other ones.
I also use an external reverb and EQ. I boost the lower and upper frequences just a little bit (low shelf below 150 Hz and high shelf above 3 kHz, about +0.5 dB each) .
Disabling sustain samples is a good idea for certain pieces/music as the sustain is really strong indeed.

The CPU trick also seemed to work. I disabled multi processor in Kontakt Player and checked when the CPU overloaded. Then I set the number of voices to 160 (not so much, but it works), enabled multi processor support again and the overload problem was pretty much gone.

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