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WTF Bach #3230344 07/05/22 06:25 AM
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Yamaha still needs to fix up my P-515. Everybody with one can try for themselves. Push the P-515 record button just once. Once only. That gets it ready for recording. And then listen carefully when you firmly (not smash though!) the G3 key. Or even the C4 key. It will be noticed that the very first key that is pushed is quite delayed. An audible delay. The delay probably doesn't show up in the recorded midi. It just happens to be something the Yamaha crew overlooked in testing.

The simple workaround is the double-push record. Pushing the record button twice puts the P-515 into non-paused record mode, which even records the silent part before the first struck note.

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Originally Posted by SouthPark
Yamaha still needs to fix up my P-515. Everybody with one can try for themselves. Push the P-515 record button just once. Once only. That gets it ready for recording. And then listen carefully when you firmly (not smash though!) the G3 key. Or even the C4 key. It will be noticed that the very first key that is pushed is quite delayed. An audible delay.

typo - 'firmly strike'

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Or maybe this is the result of the global crisis and inflation, when a manufacturer either increases prices or offers less for a comparable price, saving even on small things. Also, haven't you forgotten which pedal now comes with the ES120 by Kawai? And this will be seen more and more often now and in different areas.

Or the circuit components ("chips") they used for the USB audio interface are in very short supply so they decided to continue selling the P125 as opposed to just stopping selling it for the duration. That also frees up those components for the higher priced (and thus higher profit margin) instruments.

Remember, Kawai had to stop selling and taking orders for some of their popular models due to shortages. That causes customers to move to other manufacturers. The P125 (and the P121 I have) essentially are upper entry-level models designed to gain new customers in the hope that they will stay Yamaha customers as they upgrade.

It's also possible that Yamaha's market research told them that the P125 was too good of a value compared to higher-priced models. So they decided to create a larger product differentiation.

I'm pretty sure that this was not done for cost-cutting reasons. Redesigning cases, circuit boards, changing manufacturing processes, revising manuals, revising advertising, training Yamaha people, etc. all cost far more than staying as-is.

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I loved how everyone was first heading in the direction of "maybe Yamaha bought Kawai and is finally releasing a P-125 with a Grand Feel 4 wooden action, which is actually a full concert acoustic frame in a 40lb package, with new full world physics modeled sound engine." Then it turns out it's been gimped (like other minor out-of-cycle releases from other mfgs) and we all spin around instantly and brandish the pitchforks we've been hiding behind our backs 🤣


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what? who said that? starting to think members here manifest their own realities. crazy

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Originally Posted by Gombessa
I loved how everyone was first heading in the direction of "maybe Yamaha bought Kawai and is finally releasing a P-125 with a Grand Feel 4 wooden action, which is actually a full concert acoustic frame in a 40lb package, with new full world physics modeled sound engine." Then it turns out it's been gimped (like other minor out-of-cycle releases from other mfgs) and we all spin around instantly and brandish the pitchforks we've been hiding behind our backs 🤣

Yes, the modern way of conversing is definitely not a socratic mindset flavoured by tentitative conclusions and comprehensive list of exceptions and confounding factors lol...

More like this...

Does it conform to expectations?
Yes! Then all heil Yamaha, the greatest.
No, not as good as Kawai! Yamaha must burn for this consumer treasonous spec list 🔥

Now, where's my damn pitch fork...

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don't know how it's going to turn out with the 125a but kawai's 120,520,920 pricing is pretty treasonous. and I love the 520.

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Originally Posted by David B
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Bad news. From the manual, pag 24:

Only MIDI data can be transmitted/received from/to this instrument. No audio data can be transmitted/received.

It is incredible!!!! Yamaha decided to commit suicide..:

Interesting. Looks like they've removed the USB audio interface. Glad I have a pre "a" P125. I wouldn't purchase one without an audio interface. Probably go with a Roland instead.

God Bless,
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I find that hard to believe. I have usb audio in my $300 Yamaha keyboard.

But that is what is says.

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Originally Posted by Gombessa
I loved how everyone was first heading in the direction of "maybe Yamaha bought Kawai and is finally releasing a P-125 with a Grand Feel 4 wooden action, which is actually a full concert acoustic frame in a 40lb package, with new full world physics modeled sound engine." Then it turns out it's been gimped (like other minor out-of-cycle releases from other mfgs) and we all spin around instantly and brandish the pitchforks we've been hiding behind our backs 🤣

Next time we will be more balanced and we will heil to the new Yamaha model without keys. We understand, raw materials are expensive…

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I guess it isn't the end of the world without USB audio. As long as it has audio line-out and midi-out, then that's ok.

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Sometimes I get the feeling that Yamaha put in USB audio on the P-121/125's "by mistake" as crazy as that sounds. There is to this day no mention of it in the official specs. I think they need to have a hard look at their personnel responsible for writing up the specs. On both the new and old models they say in the connectivity section with regard to midi "No" - surely it should say "USB midi".
I have a feeling (and hope) again its a case of badly written specs but if its true that they have dropped USB audio then this would be a terrible move by Yamaha. The USB audio feature was the deciding factor for me in purchasing my P-121 and I could only confirm that this was available from non-Yamaha YouTube videos.

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Originally Posted by Jonky Ponky
Sometimes I get the feeling that Yamaha put in USB audio on the P-121/125's "by mistake" as crazy as that sounds. There is to this day no mention of it in the official specs. I think they need to have a hard look at their personnel responsible for writing up the specs. On both the new and old models they say in the connectivity section with regard to midi "No" - surely it should say "USB midi".
I have a feeling (and hope) again its a case of badly written specs but if its true that they have dropped USB audio then this would be a terrible move by Yamaha. The USB audio feature was the deciding factor for me in purchasing my P-121 and I could only confirm that this was available from non-Yamaha YouTube videos.

Yamaha's website is correct.

P125 doesn't have or support the MIDI connection (the 5pin connector). P125 has MIDI over the USB. So if you read the specs, under the USB section, it says it sends MIDI instructions over the USB.

It is also very unlikely that this is because of the shortage of supplies. Yamaha manufactures those chips itself, it is massively used in every single instrument Yamaha makes! Heck, who knows even that Yamaha P125A motor boat probably has one!!!

My humble guess is that the only modification is the body color. Other than that these products seem to be identical.


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Originally Posted by Jonky Ponky
The USB audio feature was the deciding factor for me in purchasing my P-121 and I could only confirm that this was available from non-Yamaha YouTube videos.
You and me both. I am not able to do as much with that feature as you have (of course I have because I’ve met you here), but I right there with you.

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Originally Posted by Jonky Ponky
On both the new and old models they say in the connectivity section with regard to midi "No" - surely it should say "USB midi".
I have a feeling (and hope) again its a case of badly written specs but if its true that they have dropped USB audio then this would be a terrible move by Yamaha. The USB audio feature was the deciding factor for me in purchasing my P-121 and I could only confirm that this was available from non-Yamaha YouTube videos.

Connectivity usually means physical connectivity: ‘ports’ per se - not protocols.

There are no MIDI ports, so the docs are correct.

If there was a ‘supported protocols’ section then MIDI should be in that.

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‘ MIDI (/ˈmɪdi/; Musical Instrument Digital Interface) is a technical standard that describes a communications protocol, digital interface, and electrical connectors.’

This is also a source of many errors in online reviews, e.g. in YouTube reviews. Generally great pianists are not very knowledgeable about technology - JPS is one exception: I don’t think I’ve seen him make a technical mistake and that’s why he’s trusted and respected (except by Wayne Stuart, the recalcitrant CEO of Stuart & Sons pianos in Australia).

MIDI is an aggregation of 3 things:
1. The digital interface: MIDI connection ports.
2. The electrical connections: MIDI cables.
3. The communication protocol: MIDI data format.

If someone claims ‘there is no MIDI output’ in reference to a digital piano you automatically know they notice technology users (looking at you Patrick Marr from Alamo Music Center in San Antonio!).

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‘notice technology users’ => ‘are novice technology users’

recalcitrant = a person with an obstinately uncooperative attitude

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It is exactly the SAME trailer as P125 LOL

See this one 4 years ago...



I guess Yamaha maybe renaming their P-series to make way for new models?

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It is exactly the SAME trailer as P125 LOL

See this one 4 years ago...



I guess Yamaha maybe renaming their P-series to make way for new models?

They removed the audio over USB feature..

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Originally Posted by Burkey
JPS is one exception: I don’t think I’ve seen him make a technical mistake and that’s why he’s trusted and respected (except by Wayne Stuart, the recalcitrant CEO of Stuart & Sons pianos in Australia).
This is a thread about a particular digital piano in a forum on digital pianos, and yet you, without provocation, choose to quip a personal insult towards someone you may have neither met nor communicated with at any level.

Wayne Stuart has significant runs on the board and clearly has knowledge and experience beyond the loquacious opinions of an amateur YouTube jock. The emotional deficiencies of JPS are aptly demonstrated via his defamatory clip of Stuart’s outright rejection of his advances. If you believe that JPS is the go to guru on matters piano, then it says more about the worth of your own opinions in this thread.

In any case, you may be inclined to refrain from posting unnecessary and insulting comments which only serve to demonstrate an innate ability to open your mouth simply to change feet.

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If Yamaha made significant or even noticeable changes than a few cosmetic ones, they would relabel the keyboard as P-130, not P-120a or P-120b.

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