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#3229962 07/03/22 08:50 AM
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I never hear talk about the Bosendorfer 5'6 model 170. How does it compare to Estonia model 168?

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One can safely assume that since the Bosie costs 2-3 times as much as the Estonia, most would say it's superior in tone, touch, and workmanship. Of course, not everyone would prefer the Bosie because people have their personal preferences for tone and touch.

I think many would say that unless one really loves the sound of a Bosie, Steinway, Bechstein, Fazioli, etc., it doesn't make much sense to spend so much on their very short models that will automatically have some constraints on the quality of the sound because of their length.

For example, I have a M&H BB which costs less than a Steinway S. Unless someone is extremely enamored with the Steinway sound, I think it makes little sense to choose a Steinway S over a M&H BB or some other similar quality piano that is much longer than an S.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
One can safely assume that since the Bosie costs 2-3 times as much as the Estonia, most would say it's superior in tone, touch, and workmanship. Of course, not everyone would prefer the Bosie because people have their personal preferences for tone and touch.

I think many would say that unless one really loves the sound of a Bosie, Steinway, Bechstein, Fazioli, etc., it doesn't make much sense to spend so much on their very short models that will automatically have some constraints on the quality of the sound because of their length.

For example, I have a M&H BB which costs less than a Steinway S. Unless someone is extremely enamored with the Steinway sound, I think it makes little sense to choose a Steinway S over a M&H BB or some other similar quality piano that is much longer than an S.

Understood. I should clarify more: talking about used pianos on a tight budget and somewhat of a space limitation.
Is it worth paying for a 5'6 used Bosendorfer because it's on your price range or will there be disappointment because of its size? So many rave about the 168 Estonia that I would not hesitate to consider that. Does the Bosie have the great action and tone in a small package?


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Andrea, do you have space that will only accommodate something in this size range? There are certainly very high end manufacturers that make very nice smaller instruments, but they still have some limitations as small instruments, and I think that in many cases, if you have the space to accommodate something a little larger (~190 cm/something above 6 feet), this can be preferable to looking at higher end manufacturers. I think the problem falls into the category of “shopping backward” as described by Steve Cohen in his PianoBuyer article about common shopping mistakes: https://www.pianobuyer.com/article/five-mistakes-first-time-piano-buyers-make/ .


Addendum: I just saw your recent post. Particularly with used pianos, so much depends on the condition. Estonias have also have had very significant changes in the scale design and manufacturing of the pianos over the last 20+ years, so depending on how old the Estonia is, it might be pretty different from a new model L168. I think if you’re interested, you need to play both pianos and decide if either one appeals to you. If so, you should to have it evaluated by a tech. I don’t think there’s an a priori way to give you an answer about whether you will like either piano, let alone whether you’d find the Bosendorfer disappointing.

I would also consider looking at twocats’ epic documentation of her experience buying and owning her Bosendorfer to understand what one person’s experience has been of owning a used Bosendorfer: https://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/3204802/19.html . This is one person’s experience and probably is not representative, but I think it’s still a useful thread to look through.

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[quote=Sgisela]Andrea, do you have space that will only accommodate something in this size range? There are certainly very high end manufacturers that make very nice smaller instruments, but they still have some limitations as small instruments, and I think that in many cases, if you have the space to accommodate something a little larger (~190 cm/something above 6 feet), this can be preferable to looking at higher end manufacturers. I think the problem falls into the category of “shopping backward” as described by Steve Cohen in his PianoBuyer article about common shopping mistakes: https://www.pianobuyer.com/article/five-mistakes-first-time-piano-buyers-make/ .
Thank you. I read the article you posted and I thank you! I had followed twocat's journey but I'll go back for an update. I do have the space for definitely under 6' and probably 6'4. So, my $10-15K budget is driving this. I know at my budget it is harder to find a fine piano which is why I jump when I see a used high end piano in my range, or slightly higher.

Thank you for your help! ALWAYS appreciated.


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You can find a Bosendorfer 170 for $10-15k?? At that price, I'd be worried about what condition it's in...


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
You can find a Bosendorfer 170 for $10-15k?? At that price, I'd be worried about what condition it's in...
Used Bosendorfers are usually extremely high priced. I think the piano could be near "shell" status at that price. Almost impossible that it wouldn't need a lot of work.


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