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namm doesnt have the marketing power like it did 10 yrs ago. dont think namm timing is that important to kawai, yamaha, roland esp with dps. plus these guys are working through massive back log. no real need to introduce something new unless its a value engineering proposition (ie, cost reduced).

i'd like to see an MP refresh, but that probably wont happen until we have market normalcy.

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Also Winter NAMM usually has had more news especially for us keyboardists then the Summer NAMM show. Also the big European Music Trade Show that is usually held in April was canceled for 2022.

https://musik.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/en.html Kawai and Yamaha have had new equipment at this show routinely but not at NAMM held in the summer time. Roland did there own press release for the HP700 series and skipped the Trade Shows all together. With the times we are in I think the manufacturers might just do an online live-cast event.


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So basically the other events that there would be any announcements at have been canceled this year, so unless it’s a one-off (probably the most likely) they’ll be at NAMM?

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Originally Posted by Doug M.
I don't think the P-515 actually needs updating for my own preferences - except for the little glitch on the single-push record mode, where the very first key that is struck will noticeably be delayed when struck (and the rest of the succeeding notes will be fine). I have zero issue with the particular NWX setup for the P-515. I don't want yamaha to touch that actually. I prefer it if their next one has the same setup.

It definitely does need upgrading, but not now.
No point in upgrading when you likely can't meet the demand.

I'm with Abdol. I can't see Kawai, Roland or Yamaha releasing anything digital piano wise.

When they do upgrade, they will add the Grand Touch S action and the Bosendorfer will be binurally sampled.
Also, I suspect it will get better amplification (marginally).[/quote]


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For myself - the P-515 doesn't require an upgrade. I'm 'stoked' with the action of it, and the sounds from it. Unfortunately, they put plastic stuff inside their other 'upgraded' actions - so I reckon that I (or we) are lucky that we caught the last 'lucky' bus - with the P-515.


Yamaha just recently introduced the new CLP 7XX series. A new P-series with GT-C will impact the CLP-725-35 sales. So a new flagship P series isn't in the horizon until Yamaha makes enough profit off of the lower end of the CLP series.

Why there is a successor for the PA4X? That's because of Yamaha Genos.

That said, Kawai "CAN" introduced a new instrument. But the market is hot, so it's very likely for them to milk the MP7/11SE more. That's because it's not behind Yamaha's flagship series (P series) yet.

That's a bit annoying/irritating, because Kawai can easily take the lead if it introduces a new slab/stage instrument.


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Originally Posted by Abdol
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I don't think the P-515 actually needs updating for my own preferences - except for the little glitch on the single-push record mode, where the very first key that is struck will noticeably be delayed when struck (and the rest of the succeeding notes will be fine). I have zero issue with the particular NWX setup for the P-515. I don't want yamaha to touch that actually. I prefer it if their next one has the same setup.
Originally Posted by Doug M.
It definitely does need upgrading, but not now.
No point in upgrading when you likely can't meet the demand.

I'm with Abdol. I can't see Kawai, Roland or Yamaha releasing anything digital piano wise.

When they do upgrade, they will add the Grand Touch S action and the Bosendorfer will be binurally sampled.
Also, I suspect it will get better amplification (marginally).


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For myself - the P-515 doesn't require an upgrade. I'm 'stoked' with the action of it, and the sounds from it. Unfortunately, they put plastic stuff inside their other 'upgraded' actions - so I reckon that I (or we) are lucky that we caught the last 'lucky' bus - with the P-515.

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Yamaha just recently introduced the new CLP 7XX series. A new P-series with GT-C will impact the CLP-725-35 sales. So a new flagship P series isn't in the horizon until Yamaha makes enough profit off of the lower end of the CLP series.

Why there is a successor for the PA4X? That's because of Yamaha Genos.

That said, Kawai "CAN" introduced a new instrument. But the market is hot, so it's very likely for them to milk the MP7/11SE more. That's because it's not behind Yamaha's flagship series (P series) yet.

That's a bit annoying/irritating, because Kawai can easily take the lead if it introduces a new slab/stage instrument.


I believe everything in this video about why cars are so expensive and production of new vehicles is so low, also goes for DP manufacturers...


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Originally Posted by Abdol
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Looks promising!

Looks great. Wonder if the sounds will match the Genos.


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Originally Posted by Doug M.
Looks great. Wonder if the sounds will match the Genos.

Usually, it's the other way around ----- as in wonder if the Genos sounds match the KORG PA5X. In any case - good choice of demo bassline from the Korg video ----- once again, applied at : LINK (but with different instruments of course).

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Dexibell has something new for NAMM:

https://www.facebook.com/Dexibell.MI/photos/a.1681763852070264/3222205671359400/

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The new Dexibell stage top of the range. Info coming soon

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Given that this is Roland's anniversary, we could speculate for fun:


Point 1: This is an absolutely terrible time to release a new commercial instrument for the big 3 companies---demand being low; manufacturing being retarded by parts shortages; distribution still hampered; prices being high; people suffering record inflation (wanting not to spend) etc---ergo, no sensible manufacturer is going to release something that will be purchased in large numbers

Point 2: They have had years of few releases and not much resource placed on manufacturing---potentially lots of R&D time.

Point 3: Given points 1 and 2, perhaps it's the perfect time to launch a high-value/low production volume show-piece to generate publicity and attract highly wealthy musicians.

How's about:

Roland V-piano Mark 2 ?
*Fully modelled acoustic piano with new sound chip
*Fully modelled legacy pianos (older pianos, harpsichord, clavichord etc)
*Fully modelled e-pianos (Rhodes, Wurli, DX7 & electric pianos (CP80))
*Fully modelled tone-wheel organ
*Fully modelled analogue synth
*PHA-100 action (similar to PHA-50, lighter touch, faster key repitition speed, aftertouch for synths,
*Fully touch screen control
*Lot's of knobs and sliders for live control (and ability to reduce touch-screen to low light mode)
*V-piano design (flat top, angled front panel)
*Under unit knee operated pitch bend
*Included wah pedal
*Triple pedal with optional connection to the stand unit
*Fully designed Roland powered monitors bespoke for the V-piano mark II
*In built PC for running VST's through the touch-screen
*Access to Zen core sounds

i.e., a new type of stage-piano for a new era: a fully modelled stage piano.


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It's simpler than that. There will be presented:
• Kawai MP12
• Yamaha P-615
• Roland RD-3000
• The new and most affordable hybrid from Casio in collaboration with C. Bechstein.

No? Even if any one of these items is not presented, don't even call me to such a "show".

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Originally Posted by AlexBltn
It's simpler than that. There will be presented:
• Kawai MP12
• Yamaha P-615
• Roland RD-3000
• The new and most affordable hybrid from Casio in collaboration with C. Bechstein.

No? Even if any one of these items is not presented, don't even call me to such a "show".

None of those instruments would get adequate distribution in the current environment.
I would be surprised if we see any update to affordable instruments in this summer NAMM from Yamaha, Roland or Kawai.

Once the supply of microchips picks up, maybe then we will see one of these upgraded.

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I know. That's why this exhibition makes no sense to me personally. It's a pathetic spectacle, not an exhibition. I will say more: many people still do not understand how much and how quickly the world is changing, and I would not say that for the better. And what seems like a crisis today may seem like a boon in a few years, and in things more important than the lack of some chips. So if one don't see something today, don't expect to see it in a few years.

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Originally Posted by Doug M.
Point 1: This is an absolutely terrible time to release a new commercial instrument for the big 3 companies---demand being low; manufacturing being retarded by parts shortages; distribution still hampered; prices being high; people suffering record inflation (wanting not to spend) etc---ergo, no sensible manufacturer is going to release something that will be purchased in large numbers...

I obviously cannot speak for other manufacturers, however Kawai will be exhibiting three new models at NAMM.

One of my colleagues posted some "behind the scenes" teaser shots on our social media accounts earlier.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
I obviously cannot speak for other manufacturers, however Kawai will be exhibiting three new models at NAMM.

Kind regards,
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Holy Moly! The NV-20 is coming!!

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I obviously cannot speak for other manufacturers, however Kawai will be exhibiting three new models at NAMM.

Kind regards,
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Holy Moly! The NV-20 is coming!!

Hmmm ... I looked at the Kawai Twitter notice, and there were only images of regular uprights. I did not notice anything looking like a NV-10 or bigger ...

But there seems to be something of the Aures famility coming.


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What? Regular uprights?

Why would James come here, the land of digital, to make noise about ‘regular uprights’ when he knows how much we despise uprights (acoustics)?

No, those images must be nothing more than a decoy to ‘tease’ us!

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Originally Posted by Pete14
What? Regular uprights?

Why would James come here, the land of digital, to make noise about ‘regular uprights’ when he knows how much we despise uprights (acoustics)?

No, those images must be nothing more than a decoy to ‘tease’ us!

I meant digitals looking like regular uprights.

And they do not look like the more expensive ranges of digitals.


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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Kawai will be exhibiting three new models at NAMM.

VPC2! 😃 MP12! 😃

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Hmmm ... I looked at the Kawai Twitter notice, and there were only images of regular uprights. I did not notice anything looking like a NV-10 or bigger ...

Oh 😔...

Well, in my dreams then... 😴.

Cheers and happy anticipation 😉,

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Doug M.
Point 1: This is an absolutely terrible time to release a new commercial instrument for the big 3 companies---demand being low; manufacturing being retarded by parts shortages; distribution still hampered; prices being high; people suffering record inflation (wanting not to spend) etc---ergo, no sensible manufacturer is going to release something that will be purchased in large numbers...

I obviously cannot speak for other manufacturers, however Kawai will be exhibiting three new models at NAMM.

One of my colleagues posted some "behind the scenes" teaser shots on our social media accounts earlier.

Kind regards,
James
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One of the shots shows a kind of "small" slab with its furniture and 3 pedals. Too small for being the next stage piano following the mp11se and the vpc1. May be the next es110???
There are some cabinet, but not heavy ones maybe the next CN???
Let see

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Originally Posted by Pete14
Holy Moly! The NV-20 is coming!!
Who needs the NV20? smile Maybe some people do, but most people here aren't interested in it at all, simply because it's way beyond their financial means. That's why most here are interested in the MP12 and VPC2. Even the console CA pianos no one is waiting for, as Kawai still has a lot of work to do to fix and redo that failed solution with the touch interface.

I remember discussing the mystery teaser here, which then disappointed everyone (DG30). So I didn't even watch the teaser this time.

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