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Bought a tuning hammer to fix some beating unisons, loving the results, getting addicted, now doing frequent minute adjustments (2-3 times a week) even when the imperfections are minimal because I just love the results and my ears are getting more and more demanding. However I'm now starting to worry about loosening the pins by frequently adjusting the tuning. Logically, the more often you tune, the more quickly the pins become loose over time, right? Should I lose my compulsive habits? Should I see a tech, or a doctor? Your recommendations please, thanks!

My piano is a Pease grand from 1911, miraculously kept in great condition.


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It is like a solid state drive. There is some wear that will inevitably make it fail, but average people will not get there in the time they are using it.


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If you're doing this right, you're making almost microscopic adjustments, quite gentle.
If you're making big jumps back and forth, and rocking the pin in the block, that may be not so desirable.


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I would imagine that starting torque makes a difference. Are the pins currently tight, or marginal?

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Originally Posted by Scott Cole, RPT
I would imagine that starting torque makes a difference. Are the pins currently tight, or marginal?

Not tight enough, but not terribly loose either. They will undergo the CA treatment in 3 weeks.


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Pianos with a hard V-bar or agraffes with steel inserts at the string holes will exhibit rapid wear of the strings from frequent, (and especially) poor tuning technique.

The more you slide the string back and forth over the hard termination surface the quicker the wire develops flat spots and is weakened.

If you have a piano with high string friction, and you tune with rapid movement yet small lever movements, (fast jerk), the quicker the string will fatigue. That is why I prefer what many call the "slow pull" method. I hardly ever have strings break when I tune.

I know tuners who use the fast jerk method and they break string more often. BUT they tune faster than I do. But if you break a string it really slows you down.


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Originally Posted by Rubens
Bought a tuning hammer to fix some beating unisons, loving the results, getting addicted, now doing frequent minute adjustments (2-3 times a week) even when the imperfections are minimal because I just love the results and my ears are getting more and more demanding. However I'm now starting to worry about loosening the pins by frequently adjusting the tuning. Logically, the more often you tune, the more quickly the pins become loose over time, right? Should I lose my compulsive habits? Should I see a tech, or a doctor? Your recommendations please, thanks!

My piano is a Pease grand from 1911, miraculously kept in great condition.
I retune any choir that is beating regardless of how often. Typically I get two or three slightly beating choirs every two weeks and it takes me less than two minutes to fix them. It's not a chore but a pleasant task for me. It is beyond my comprehension when some say, even some on this forum, that their piano tuning has not changed even after a year. Of course all is revealed when they post a video ha


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Originally Posted by Ed McMorrow, RPT
Pianos with a hard V-bar or agraffes with steel inserts at the string holes will exhibit rapid wear of the strings from frequent, (and especially) poor tuning technique.

The more you slide the string back and forth over the hard termination surface the quicker the wire develops flat spots and is weakened.

If you have a piano with high string friction, and you tune with rapid movement yet small lever movements, (fast jerk), the quicker the string will fatigue. That is why I prefer what many call the "slow pull" method. I hardly ever have strings break when I tune.

I know tuners who use the fast jerk method and they break string more often. BUT they tune faster than I do. But if you break a string it really slows you down.

I use slow pull too. However , isn't there an argument for the fast small jerks technique, notably for better tuning stability? Isn't that akin to Bremmer's 'tapping' technique?...
Now that I've opened that huge can of worms, I'm quickly running away before it blows up.


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All of the different appropriate techniques are appropriate under the appropriate circumstances. Inappropriate techniques are never appropriate under any circumstances.

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Most of us "more ancient" tuners have at least several techniques in our inner toolbox. Which one gets used depends on what you feel at the lever.
Really, only experience can reveal this.
So many of these threads are the equivalent of me going on a plumbing forum and getting instructions in print. All good until I hit the first difficulty.
I'm not in any way trying to put the OP off but only experience can give you experience.
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Yes, I thank the Lord each time I do a minor tuning/regulation adjustment and the piano doesn't burst into flames. I should stick to playing the instrument and leave its esoteric inner workings to the techs.


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