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So my initial plan to do the VPC1 hit a snag - however, I’m still liking the idea of doing a VST-driven approach. As part of that, I’m now looking at the CA49 as a kind of VPC2, because I liked the VPC1 action so much. The CA59 was my first choice, but it seems there is little if any chance of getting one in the next 7-8 months in the US unless anyone has any pro tips here. smile

I do have 2 questions because my drive to even test a CA49 is a 6 (!) hour round trip, and I want to be pretty comfortable with my decision before I take that trip :
First, does the Grand Feel Compact have the infamous slip tape design, or was that only on the Grand Feel(s)?

Second, obviously the CA49 and VPC1 don’t have the same actions. I’ve read on these boards that the CA49 is lighter; does anyone have any idea how much lighter? I tried the original Grand Feel and though I didn’t hate it, it was a little too light for my taste compared to the VPC1 (I also felt the increased pivot length, but at some point the cost is just too high for my budget.)

Thanks in advance!

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I don't have any personal experience with the broader range of Kawai actions, but I can recommend these videos for you to get a better idea of what's going on physically:

Actions seen: RHC, RH3, GFC, GF2


Actions seen: GF2 and GF3



You can quite clearly see that with the GFC and GF3, they got rid of the slip tape.


Oh, and a RM3 vs GF1 comparison:


Apparently, the action is a fair bit lighter when you move up the key, but that's because the GF3 is longer and thus the top end of the key is a lot farther away from the pivot point. To my understanding, that's the entire point of Kawai having made every generation of the Grand Feel action another bit longer. With the GF3, the action should be equally long as an acoustic Grand. The GFC is, as the name says, more compact.

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The CA49 does not have audio in. So, for VSTs, you will need to connect monitors and headphones to the computer or audio interface. Although in most cases external monitors largely surpass the quality of piano speakers, I find more convenient to have audio input and connect the headphones to the piano and listen through the internal speakers. If this does not matter to you (or if indeed you prefer it due to beteer audio quality) then the CA49 is enough and you don't need the CA59.

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Thank you both!

Yes that makes sense that the Grand Feel would be a good bit lighter - I was specifically asking about the Compact to see if anyone had experience with both. I’m aware of the missing line in but appreciate the call out! Would definitely prefer the audio interface so I’m also looking at the FP90X and the CLP 745.

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I had a CA58 with GFC action. I am not sure how similar it is the the one in CA4/59, but after a few months the action became terribly uneven with large differences in touch when playing softly, even for adjacent keys. I am pretty sure that this was due to the let-off simulation mechanism. This is some rubber notch. Some other members here have reported the same.

The above does not answer your question, but I would try to find out if Kawai address this issue in the updated GFC action. I traded my CA58 in for a silent piano.

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That’s kind of what I was worried about, and one reason the PHA50 action is so high on my list despite the metallic sounds of the Roland modeling.


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