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Hi,

can somebody compare pianos starting time - how long after switching on can you play ? I heard the CA79 has starting time 20 seconds ? How it looks with CA49/59 (without display) ? And other models (yamaha, roland, casio) ? Thanks, Josef.

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Do you mean 'time until sound' or 'time until the UI is fully booted up and usable'?` On the CA79 you can play with the default sound configuration way before the UI is fully booted up.

I just measured my Kawai CA79 and it takes about 7 seconds to getting sound but 44 seconds for full bootup.


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Thanks. What is exactly "full bootup" ?

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When you can use the User Interface to control the instrument


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My Clavinova CLP-785 boots in 7 seconds. Sound and UI.

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Let me ask the question differently: do you ever turn your DP off? (the obvious solution if waiting for it to start is an issue).


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btw : My Casio PX870 starts in 7 seconds


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Yamaha CP88: 5 secs !

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Yes I turn it off when I don't play. 7 seconds is quick enough for me, even if I have a really urgent need to play (which is seldom). It also automatically shuts down after 20 minutes idle I think (auto-shutdown is configurable and can be turned off completely).

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Originally Posted by almo82
Let me ask the question differently: do you ever turn your DP off? (the obvious solution if waiting for it to start is an issue).

The Kawai CA79 has a (configurable) auto-off set to 15 minutes by default.

So far, I've not been bothered enough to change that. Part of it is an attitude of 'it'll take a moment to turn on, so I'll just push the button, take a [censored]* and then I'm all ready to play'.

*lol censored - 'bathroom break' it is, then.

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Originally Posted by steamrick
Do you mean 'time until sound' or 'time until the UI is fully booted up and usable'?` On the CA79 you can play with the default sound configuration way before the UI is fully booted up.

I just measured my Kawai CA79 and it takes about 7 seconds to getting sound but 44 seconds for full bootup.

44 seconds - is there some Android or something similar ?

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Probably something of the sort - the touchscreen interface for current highend Kawai models (not just the CA series, but also Novus and at least some of the hybrids) is basically identical to the PianoRemote App on the smartphone.


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Let me ask the question differently: do you ever turn your DP off? (the obvious solution if waiting for it to start is an issue).

Of course! I never let things turned on for a longer time if they can easily be turned off and on again.


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My Yamaha Clavinova CLP 775 takes 6 seconds for full sound and UI functions.

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I set my CA79 to auto off after an hour but the start time is completely irrelevant when there is music to sort even just to decide what to play and the million other stuff that players do before they lay their hands on the keys.

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Originally Posted by Ostinato
Yes I turn it off when I don't play. 7 seconds is quick enough for me, even if I have a really urgent need to play (which is seldom).

On a similar perspective, I can't even get to the bathroom that fast when I "have a really urgent need to", which, fortunately, is also seldom. smile

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It also automatically shuts down after 20 minutes idle I think (auto-shutdown is configurable and can be turned off completely).

My CA99, possibly with a later firmware, had the auto-shutdown turned off after a factory reset.

I turn mine off as well. As others noted, the sound is quick and the UI is fully up in 30 seconds (I timed it when I got it). Yes, the UI is Android.

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Is a few seconds either way really of any importance to anyone?
How exactly would you use the saved seconds to maximum effect?

I just wish the startup time of my piano were the major impediment to my becoming a good player!!


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NU1X - 5 seconds.


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Originally Posted by Lillith
Is a few seconds either way really of any importance to anyone?
How exactly would you use the saved seconds to maximum effect?

I just wish the startup time of my piano were the major impediment to my becoming a good player!!

Listen to Lillith and stop counting Mississippis!

Do you know how many Mississippis poor little Timmy had to count? Billions, that’s how many; why, you ask? Well, little Timmy didn’t have no ‘lectricity; never mind, no pianee, no tv, no powered ranger, and no roof!

So yes, little Timmy had to wait many years for some ‘lectricity to find its way into his tribe, and for a fellow tribesman to give him a little toy pianee that, yes, took many more Mississippis to ‘start up’!

So what’s a few seconds, I ask?

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About six seconds for my Casio AP-650.

It basically gives me time to open my tablet and select what I want to play; by the the piano is ready to go.

While it's not the biggest issue in the world, I can certainly see why waiting 30 seconds or more for your piano to boot up would be painful. All else being equal, I'd be more likely to buy a piano with a shorter initialization time than a longer one.

On the subject of painful initialization time, if the power goes out momentarily when I'm playing a movie in my theatre the lamp that puts the picture on the screen turns off and it takes ten minutes for it to cycle so I can re-strike it. So a one-second power failure means at least ten minutes of waiting until the show can resume. When there's a hundred people here, that's a painful ten minutes. smile

(The rest of the projection equipment is connected to a number of UPS's, but the lamp draws so much power that installing a UPS for that is simply not practical.)


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