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Hello Guys,

Looking int ogetting my daughter heaphones for her DP for Christmas

Not looking to spend a fortune.

Looking at these Audio-Technica ATH-M50X (Already more expensive then I want to spend.)


Mu question is this:

Are wireless headphones with a wired connection the same as headphones the just wired.


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Originally Posted by ronlefebvre
Mu question is this:

Are wireless headphones with a wired connection the same as headphones the just wired.


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I did not know there was such a thing as wireless headphones with a wired connection.

I thought they were either wireless or wired.

Am I mistaken ?


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That is what I thought.

All I am seeing at the store are wireless, but you can connect a wire to it.

I just don't know if it becomes Analog or is the digital feed just sent thru the wire

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You will need to check the details. I guess there are 3 possibilities:
The wire is for re-charging,
The wire is for USB digital audio.
The wire is for anologue audio.

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The Amazon ad for that model number is for a headphone set with three detachable cables. There's no mention of "wireless".
Actually, the ad shows two squares with text, 'wired' and 'wireless'. When you click on 'wireless', it goes to a different model number, ATH-M50xBT2. They are two different items.

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If there is a 1/4” or 3.5mm connector then it is an analog input.

What is less clear is if there is any digital processing of the signal and that may depend on the model. That might add a noticeable delay.

I notice there is for instance

ATH-M50xBT2 adds Bluetooth to the ATH-M50x

Which according to the manual has a wired connection direct analog input that will work without power. That would be the same as a regular headphone.

https://www.audio-technica.com/media/wysiwyg/product/pdfs/all/ATH-M50xBT2-UM-EN.pdf

I might add I have had some issues with the audio technica fake leather flaking off after a couple of years.


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Can't really answer the OP question, but I just got myself a new mobile phone, this one without a 3.5 mm head phone jack. So I had to get a wireless (Bluetooth) pair of head phones. But I wanted a set that I could also use as head phones for my MP-7SE in our country house. After looking around I opted for a pair of Beyerdynamics Lagoon over ear head phones. They are wireless when I want (and connect through Bluetooth to my phone or PC). But when I use them with my DP I connect them by the wire that came with them (not the charging wire) that ends in a 3.5 mm socket. Now, wether the signal is analog or digital I've got no clue on. But it works beautifully nevertheless.


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I have been buying this exact model for years and have never been disappointed.

https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-H...&hvtargid=pla-432420802046&psc=1

Is not outrageously priced either.


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Originally Posted by dmd
I have been buying this exact model for years and have never been disappointed.

https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-H...&hvtargid=pla-432420802046&psc=1

Is not outrageously priced either.

Do they do a good job at cancelling outside noise. She wants to mute her husband when she practices.

:-)

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I have been buying this exact model for years and have never been disappointed.

https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-H...&hvtargid=pla-432420802046&psc=1

Is not outrageously priced either.

Do they do a good job at cancelling outside noise. She wants to mute her husband when she practices.

:-)

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Pmfji -

The Senn HD559 are open back = no reduction of ambient sound.

The ATH M50x are closed back = reduced ambient sound, which is what she wants.

They also get good reviews.

Cheaper closed-back alternatives are Senn HD280, and Sony MDR 7506. Older designs, they still work well.

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Yes, some wireless headphones can also be connected by wire. That makes them functional even if their charge runs out. The bigger issue here is that wireless headphones have latency, which makes the no-latency (non-bluetooth) wired connection much for suitable for DP use. (And wired headphone connections are analog, btw.)

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Originally Posted by ronlefebvre
Hello Guys,

Looking int ogetting my daughter heaphones for her DP for Christmas

Not looking to spend a fortune.

Looking at these Audio-Technica ATH-M50X (Already more expensive then I want to spend.)


Mu question is this:

Are wireless headphones with a wired connection the same as headphones the just wired.


Ron

To answer your question, they are most of the cases don't sound the same.

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/t...ss/295/27588?usage=19&threshold=0.10


That said, wireless (Bluetooth) uses a lossy compression method to transmit signals to your headphones. This doesn't happen in wired headphones. So it's like drinking beer from the tap or from the can. Beer in a can tastes different (bad).


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[/quote]

To answer your question, they are most of the cases don't sound the same.

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/t...ss/295/27588?usage=19&threshold=0.10


That said, wireless (Bluetooth) uses a lossy compression method to transmit signals to your headphones. This doesn't happen in wired headphones. So it's like drinking beer from the tap or from the can. Beer in a can tastes different (bad).[/quote]

That is perfect. Answers my question about the m50X. They confused me with the removable wire.

Unless you get Bluetooth, the choices around here are limited for wired. I could go Amazon, but then I can't put them on my head to feel the fit or the look or the sound for that matter.

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Originally Posted by ronlefebvre
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I have been buying this exact model for years and have never been disappointed.

https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-H...&hvtargid=pla-432420802046&psc=1

Is not outrageously priced either.

Do they do a good job at cancelling outside noise. She wants to mute her husband when she practices.

:-)

Ron

They do not cancel outside noise. I prefer that.


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That is perfect. Answers my question about the m50X. They confused me with the removable wire.

The m50x and the m50xbt2 (Bluetooth version) should sound the same when played through the analog removable wire.

The nice feature of a removable wire is you can changes sizes and replace them if they break.

I will say it again, the fabric audio technica uses in the head band and ear muffs is prone to flaking.

Last time I was in guitar center all the audio technica headphones had this problem.

In fact go to the at website and read the first review.

https://www.audio-technica.com/en-us/ath-m50x

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Great sound, but poor headband quality

They are otherwise great headphones.


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Originally Posted by ronlefebvre
That said, wireless (Bluetooth) uses a lossy compression method
Oh, right, I mentioned the latency issue, I forgot to mention the quality loss as well.

Originally Posted by ronlefebvre
Unless you get Bluetooth, the choices around here are limited for wired.
Then get bluetooth that have wired options. When used wired, the bluetooth issues don't exist.

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That is perfect. Answers my question about the m50X. They confused me with the removable wire.

The m50x and the m50xbt2 (Bluetooth version) should sound the same when played through the analog removable wire.

The nice feature of a removable wire is you can changes sizes and replace them if they break.

I will say it again, the fabric audio technica uses in the head band and ear muffs is prone to flaking.

Last time I was in guitar center all the audio technica headphones had this problem.

In fact go to the at website and read the first review.

https://www.audio-technica.com/en-us/ath-m50x

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Great sound, but poor headband quality

They are otherwise great headphones.

Are you sure about this? (The link I posted shows they have different responses)

I am no expert in headphones and wireless headphones. The problem I see here is that there are so many headphones out there that it's really difficult (impossible?) to even remember what is what.


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That is perfect. Answers my question about the m50X. They confused me with the removable wire.

The m50x and the m50xbt2 (Bluetooth version) should sound the same when played through the analog removable wire.

The nice feature of a removable wire is you can changes sizes and replace them if they break.

I will say it again, the fabric audio technica uses in the head band and ear muffs is prone to flaking.

Last time I was in guitar center all the audio technica headphones had this problem.

In fact go to the at website and read the first review.

https://www.audio-technica.com/en-us/ath-m50x

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Great sound, but poor headband quality

They are otherwise great headphones.

Are you sure about this? (The link I posted shows they have different responses)

I am no expert in headphones and wireless headphones. The problem I see here is that there are so many headphones out there that it's really difficult (impossible?) to even remember what is what.

Hard to say, they only test one sample of each and you can see from the variability of the tests where they take the headphone off and put back on that has impact on the results.

So even the variation of the earcups could be the difference. Notice the thermal test results are different for some reason.

On the other hand audio technica might have made some design changes.

I don’t think there any technical reason that they could not be the same.

But who knows? I’m not a headphone expert either. I doubt I would notice the difference.

I think the quality loss in Bluetooth is overstated, and we are often listening to lossy compressed music anyway.

But as noted, at least for now, bluetooth has too much delay to be used for playing a keyboard.

I did relatively recently go and audition headphones as best I could. I thought brand names of similar prices all had good sound quality.

There was quite a difference in comfort to me though. Maybe I just have a sensitive head and ears.


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My Beyerdynamics Lagoon's got ANC (Active Noice Cancelling). You can turn it off and on in two levels. They're over ear, very comfortable and good sound quality. Comes both with BT and wired, whichever you may need.


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Well, I got the m50x after all,

Not really worried about the flaking and the fit and sound is really good for her needs.

Ron

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