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Hi Calikokat, and welcome to the PW forums. Always loved your YouTube performances, so nice to see you here.

I recorded this just for the sake of this discussion, from a pre-made MIDI file (not my playing). I have almost the same setup as you have, except for a Scarlett 2i4, which shouldn't be any different from the 2i2 as to how the recordings sound.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4oj30q07m7jxtu6/calikoKatest.wav?dl=0

Therefore I'm curious to know what you think - doesn't sound horrible to my ears, but then again - my ears are my ears, if you know what I mean.

I used the default Classic setting, no tweaking whatsoever, and then used Audacity to render the first minute of the roughly seven minutes long MIDI file. If I were recording my own performance, I would probably change a lot of settings.

PS I will probably delete this file in a few days, since it might be breach of copyright - not my playing as I said. It's only here for the sake of this discussion, and will be removed when this issue of sound quality is sorted out.

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Your file sounds just like the OP’s first file.

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Good, then we know there's nothing wrong with Calikokat's set up. The biggest difference I heard between his two recordings was that the bass was quite a lot deeper in the second one than in the first (bad) recording.

Maybe the Garritan CFX needs to be tweaked a lot to sound good. I believe a lot of people who upload recordings of Garritan CFX, do so through Focusrite Scarlett interfaces, as it's widely regarded as a good audio interface. Don't think the Scarlett 2i2 is the culprit, at least.


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Originally Posted by TheodorN
Good, then we know there's nothing wrong with Calikokat's set up. The biggest difference I heard between his two recordings was that the bass was quite a lot deeper in the second one than in the first (bad) recording.

Maybe the Garritan CFX needs to be tweaked a lot to sound good. I believe a lot of people who upload recordings of Garritan CFX, do so through Focusrite Scarlett interfaces, as it's widely regarded as a good audio interface. Don't think the Scarlett 2i2 is the culprit, at least.

One that just one mic perspective?

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Chose just the default (first) setting from the Classic perspective, think it's the Close microphone and the Ambient mic pairs together.


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Originally Posted by TheodorN
Hi Calikokat, and welcome to the PW forums. Always loved your YouTube performances, so nice to see you here.

I recorded this just for the sake of this discussion, from a pre-made MIDI file (not my playing). I have almost the same setup as you have, except for a Scarlett 2i4, which shouldn't be any different from the 2i2 as to how the recordings sound.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4oj30q07m7jxtu6/calikoKatest.wav?dl=0

Therefore I'm curious to know what you think - doesn't sound horrible to my ears, but then again - my ears are my ears, if you know what I mean.

I used the default Classic setting, no tweaking whatsoever, and then used Audacity to render the first minute of the roughly seven minutes long MIDI file. If I were recording my own performance, I would probably change a lot of settings.

PS I will probably delete this file in a few days, since it might be breach of copyright - not my playing as I said. It's only here for the sake of this discussion, and will be removed when this issue of sound quality is sorted out.

Thanks...your audio sounds great...i am thinking of getting back to basics...using the stand alone Garritan player .. classic ..basic setting...i would be very happy if it sounded like your file smile maybe the problem is the clavinova and it needs a different velocty setting then what is default...

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Originally Posted by JaneF
As others have suggested, try simplifying things to narrow down your issue.

What I'd suggest is to try the Garritan standalone.
In Tools/Preferences be sure the Focusrite is selected as the audio device. (And ASIO if you're using Windows).

Plug headphones directly into the Scarlett.
Play a few notes by mouse-clicking keys on the keyboard in the Garritan GUI.
Then play the same notes on your CLP.

Make sure you know what you're hearing there.

Then use the buttons on the lower left of the GUI to load a MIDI file. Play it. Check the sound with the headphones still plugged directly into the Scarlett as you try different settings in the Garritan.


Then work farther out.

Thanks...i will compare the sound when pessing the key in the GUI versus the sound when i press the clavinova key....Hopefully they are the same smile

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You're welcome, glad my effort helped somewhat. Yeah, recording as audio in the standalone player is a quick and easy way to record and enough for maybe most of us. Eliminates the need to dig into complicated DAW settings. The velocity curve may need some tweaking, absolutely - the default curve may be suitable for some instrument models, but not other ones.

Just to clarify my recording process, I forgot to mention I first rendered the MIDI in Reaper, and only afterwards cut out the one minute beginning in Audacity. I might have gotten similar results by recording directly in the standalone player, would want to try that if only because I'm curious myself, if it would lead to a similarly sounding recording.


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Rendered the same MIDI file in the Garritan Player Interface, and I couldn't hear that it was any different from the Reaper recording. Mayber sharper ears would hear a difference.

I noticed the Garritan Player rendered as 16 bits, but Reaper as 32 bits. Bitrate and other settings can be changed in Reaper, but I couldn't see that there was any way to tweak the render settings in the Garritan Aria Player.

That's probably why I would personally record in Reaper, if I were recording the Garritan CFX. I like to have control over the settings, though it's not absolutely necessary, if one is satisfied with the outcome from the Aria Player.


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