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From the middle of the 20th century to our time every kind of pianist from beginner to concert pianist caught in the infinite loop of same pieces over and over again there is a fixed classical repertoire that doesn't change involves beethoven, chopin, bach, mozart, schubert, schumann, schoenberg, rachmaninoff, debussy, haydn, alkan, scriabin, moszkowski, busoni, stravinsky, prokofiev etc. ) I can't count them all in here but you can fill in the blanks we are playing the same old repertoire until get tired of it there is nothing new there is nothing anything new! no new composers appeared like in the 19th and 20th masters. I'm tired of hearing beethoven sonatas, chopin ballades, schubert impromptus or prokofiev concertos and there is no solution to this we keep repeating ourselves mindlessly. After a certain point you can clearly see the big picture. We are like fish in the tank!

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There is plenty of new music but it's being scoffed at for being either too avant-garde or merely entertainment for the masses.

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Originally Posted by Batuhan
there is nothing anything new! no new composers appeared like in the 19th and 20th masters.

There is very much new repertoire for pianists of all levels! Seek the internet and thou shall find.


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There's plenty of innovation; it's just garbage. The 20th century was a mix of genius and idiocy, which led us to a new century of just idiocy (so far).


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If you check out Hyperion Record's catalog, e.g. the Romantic Piano Concerto series, you'll find that there is a vast landscape of music hitherto unheard of - many of these in fact were premiere recordings.

But at the same time, as you listen to them you get the sense of why the standard repertoire are considered masterpieces. There are many gems in the lesser known works, but not all of them can be described as 'unjustly neglected'.


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Originally Posted by Batuhan
I'm tired of hearing beethoven sonatas, chopin ballades, schubert impromptus or prokofiev concertos and there is no solution to this we keep repeating ourselves mindlessly. After a certain point you can clearly see the big picture. We are like fish in the tank!

What the world needs is more composers who write music that sounds like Chopin

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Romantic music was used as bso by the new rulling classes, depicting their raise to power in the new industrialized world


Once the bourgeoisie finished its raise as new rulling class of the world it needed no more any heroic music, because history was finished. This happened around the corner between 19 and 20 century. And that's why 19c music is so worshipped and 20c so underrated.

And it also explains why chinese are so keen on romantic music. It's the new eastern bourgeoisie raising to power, using the same music western bourgeoisie used 2 centuries ago. Fascinating process.

Music written after that era falls into intellectual exercise for a very small audience, or cheap entertainment for the lower classes.

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Originally Posted by beeboss
Originally Posted by Batuhan
I'm tired of hearing beethoven sonatas, chopin ballades, schubert impromptus or prokofiev concertos and there is no solution to this we keep repeating ourselves mindlessly. After a certain point you can clearly see the big picture. We are like fish in the tank!

What the world needs is more composers who write music that sounds like Chopin


If there were new music that sounds like Chopin, many would complain that was not as good as Chopin.


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Originally Posted by Batuhan
I'm tired of hearing beethoven sonatas, chopin ballades, schubert impromptus or prokofiev concertos and there is no solution to this we keep repeating ourselves mindlessly. After a certain point you can clearly see the big picture. We are like fish in the tank!

What the world needs is more composers who write music that sounds like Chopin


If there were new music that sounds like Chopin, many would complain that was not as good as Chopin.
FWIW, there is plenty of neo-romantic music, mostly coming from Hollywood and Broadway. You might not like it but I think John William's scores can be considered part of the Western cultural canon and Broadway musicals have as much cultural impact as the great operas of the 19th century.

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Originally Posted by beeboss
Originally Posted by Batuhan
I'm tired of hearing beethoven sonatas, chopin ballades, schubert impromptus or prokofiev concertos and there is no solution to this we keep repeating ourselves mindlessly. After a certain point you can clearly see the big picture. We are like fish in the tank!

What the world needs is more composers who write music that sounds like Chopin

That would be awesome imagine someone compose 4 new ballades and that sound exactly like chopin

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There are a lot of good modern composers, unfortunately they are hard to find because mainstream piano music is now repesting 4 bars for 5 minutes. A lot of modern artist are doing it. Look Hania Rani, Einaudi, Max Richter and many many others.

Good ones are Rzewski, Alain Lefevre, Lutoslawki, and are fee others. I do not have names in my mind though at the moment.
There is good trend now that top pianists who are recording for major starter to record more of what they want so we can listę to new modern or sometimes old composers.

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There are plenty of living composer-pianists and pianist-composers writing piano music in a contemporary idiom but which is still accessible (unless you're completely wedded to simple 'tunes'). And I'm not talking minimalism or pseudo-minimalism either.
Like these:






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Apropos of my previous post - just in case anyone thinks that contemporary classical composers are incapable of writing simple tonal melodies that stay in one's mind -, here's one written a few years ago, though admittedly for a movie score:


.....and yes, it really is as simple as it sounds: everyone can easily sight-read it (as long as you can sight-read in D flat major smirk ). The sheet music is available from Faber.

Of course, this is more typical of Adès's piano music for the concert hall:


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As an artlover I like to watch Vermeer paintings, or van Gogh's, even the odd Picasso, or to see a ballet like the Nutcracker or Romeo and Juliet, even the odd Sacre du printemps, or go to an opera like Orfeo, or Zauberflöte and even the odd Elektra, or read and re-read books that I like, say 'War and piece', or 'A la recherche du temps perdu' or even the latest novel 'Crossroads', as a pianist I like to play Bach, Chopin, Prokofiev, or even the odd contemporary piece, we all here are artlovers, old and new should be cherished, but old should not be scorned just because it is old, that is iconoclasm of the simplest kind, don't burn history: build on it.


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Originally Posted by dolce sfogato
As an artlover I like to watch Vermeer paintings, or van Gogh's, even the odd Picasso, or to see a ballet like the Nutcracker or Romeo and Juliet, even the odd Sacre du printemps, or go to an opera like Orfeo, or Zauberflöte and even the odd Elektra, or read and re-read books that I like, say 'War and piece', or 'A la recherche du temps perdu' or even the latest novel 'Crossroads', as a pianist I like to play Bach, Chopin, Prokofiev, or even the odd contemporary piece, we all here are artlovers, old and new should be cherished, but old should not be scorned just because it is old, that is iconoclasm of the simplest kind, don't burn history: build on it.
Of course. Isn't one of the characteristics of the greatest classical rep that one can hear it many times and not get bored?

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Indeed and of course, hence my remarks, I disagree with the OP.


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