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#3158440 09/21/21 03:22 PM
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Please forgive me if this has been discussed recently, when doing a forum search I only found an old, short thread on Misprints.

Today I was playing Prelude No. 12 (F minor) from my brand-new WTC II book and found no less than 3 notes in that one prelude that differ from the IMSLP version I had printed and had been working from. Those spots sounded weird to me so I compared the two scores and found the discrepancies. It is difficult enough playing Bach without learning wrong notes. How is an ordinary non-expert like me supposed to know which are the RIGHT ones? cry

Where do you look for answers when you encounter misprints?


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You have to be more precise. Which are the 2 versions you are using. Some older versions are (but not always) less reliable than newer ones. It depends what the discrepencies are. It can be based on different sources, or editors may have made engraving errors or made corrections or there were errors which they did not correct (more rarely with Bach).

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Thanks for responding, Sidokar. I wasn't really expecting anyone to solve this particular problem for me, rather asking where you look for answers in a similar situation, but here goes (one of these days I will learn how to include a picture of the actual score for such things). My new WTC II is Schirmer (Czerny, copyright date 1893). I'm not really sure what I printed from IMSLP. blush

Measure 34 (5 after first repeat sign), treble clef, alto part:
2nd 8th note is G flat in Schirmer, G natural in IMSLP version. I am assuming it should be the natural since it was not flatted previously and G is natural in the key signature.

Measure 57, treble clef:
4th 16th note is G natural in Schirmer, F natural in IMSLP. The F sounds right to me.

Measure 68, treble clef:
4th 16th note is B flat in Schirmer, A flat in IMSLP. The A flat sounds right to me.

Thanks for your help!


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I had similar problems with Bach pieces before. Once I downloaded a copy of the "Air" from French Suite #2 from Virtual Sheet Music. I found several notes that differ from a copy off IMSLP. Assuming that 1 version is correct, watched some YouTube performances and they agreed that the iMSLP was the correct version. The copy from Virtual Sheet Music was probably done by somebody re-entering the notes into a notation program and wasn't careful checking if all the notes are correct.

I have a copy of a piano arrangement from a Bach orchestral piece. There is 1 spot with the discrepancy between a D & D#. There are YouTube videos to check the specific spot and there is an original orchestral score from IMSLP.

The easiest is to listen to performance videos from YouTube and follow along with the score. A piece like Invention #13 in Am I found 1 spot where some online recordings have an A and others have an A#. Have to assume both versions are acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Adagiette
Thanks for responding, Sidokar. I wasn't really expecting anyone to solve this particular problem for me, rather asking where you look for answers in a similar situation, but here goes (one of these days I will learn how to include a picture of the actual score for such things). My new WTC II is Schirmer (Czerny, copyright date 1893). I'm not really sure what I printed from IMSLP. blush

Measure 34 (5 after first repeat sign), treble clef, alto part:
2nd 8th note is G flat in Schirmer, G natural in IMSLP version. I am assuming it should be the natural since it was not flatted previously and G is natural in the key signature.

Measure 57, treble clef:
4th 16th note is G natural in Schirmer, F natural in IMSLP. The F sounds right to me.

Measure 68, treble clef:
4th 16th note is B flat in Schirmer, A flat in IMSLP. The A flat sounds right to me.

Thanks for your help!


Ok. Your bar numbers are unhapilly incorrect. You are talking about bar 32, 55 and 66 as one does not count bars with an anacrusis.

I have both the New Henle and the Durr version which are the 2 reference version today. So it is G flat, F natural and A flat.

I would suggest you do not use the Czerny as it is a very old version, completely outdated by now. It is an interesting one as one of the earliest printed (the Schirmer is a reprint from the original Peters edition), but as a base for playing, it is not very reliable.

On Imslp you have at least 2 versions which are recent, the Durr and the Keller. In the old ones Bishoff or Kroll are good but being older, they may have some errors.

In the case of the wtc2, there are multiple sources and manuscripts, so any version is always a trade off between those. If a note seems peculiar, then you should check against a reference version. Then it is a question of understanding the harmonic context to decide if the note seems right.

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Thank you both for your suggestions! smile


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