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Why not 531/521/521...? It's way more comfortable...
The best fingering for most except those with very large hands. The whole fixation on playing that phrase with perfect legato and beyond awkward fingering is silly.

Would you like a broom for that large sweeping statement or.....?
I bet if you look at top pianists playing this passage none of them try to connect both notes marked with the slur. Some will probably use 531-531-521 to connect the lower two notes. There are so many more important things to be concerned with in this piece IMO the attempt at pure legato fingering is missing the forest for the trees.

My fingering suggestion worked around slurring the bottom two notes - I just don't think it's necessary to slur both as the ear won't hear it. It's also the most comfortable for my hand size.

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I'd certainly be interested in seeing which fingering top pianists use if any footage exists.

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Rather than watching a video, what you would want to do is listen for whether the 3rds in the left hand are played legato, and if pedaling is used. If you insist on playing those notes legato with no use of pedal, then you have to decide how to accomplish that.

Fingering is a means to a goal, not the goal itself. We should choose an interpretation and then choose a fingering that supports the technical and interpretive objectives, not just automatically copy the fingering of another pianist.

I think there can be a discussion about whether a slur in the accompaniment implies mandatory legato or just articulative phrasing. I also think the slightest touch of the damper pedal after the C natural is played in the third group of triplets in the right hand can accomplish legato without a loss of clarity.


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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
Rather than watching a video, what you would want to do is listen for whether the 3rds in the left hand are played legato, and if pedaling is used

Pretty sure we could watch and listen at the same time.

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We should choose an interpretation and then choose a fingering that supports the technical and interpretive objectives, not just automatically copy the fingering of another pianist

No one here suggested copying anything.

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I think there can be a discussion about whether a slur in the accompaniment implies mandatory legato or just articulative phrasing. I also think the slightest touch of the damper pedal after the C natural is played in the third group of triplets in the right hand can accomplish legato without a loss of clarity.

Possibly so, but the OP was asking whether we'd use their fingering suggestion, which invites others to offer their suggestions.

We can get into a more nuanced debate regarding articulation, pedalling, interpretation etc. but ultimately the question was based on hand shape and I would regard any uncomfortable/unbalanced stretches to be avoided and for the written articulation to be serviced as accurately as possible.

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You are defining away the problem, which is to choose a fingering that best supports you meeting the technical and interpretive demands of the passage with your hands.


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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
You are defining away the problem, which is to choose a fingering that best supports you meeting the technical and interpretive demands of the passage with your hands.

I don't know what you mean by 'defining away the problem', but I offered my suggestion of fingering based on the bar that was provided.

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