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Originally Posted by bennevis
As my paws are the size of a koala bear's rather than a polar bear's (which I saw for the first time in Scotland two weeks ago - so huge that if it had swallowed me whole, I wouldn't have made a dent in its belly), ...

In a zoo, I hope? Or has climate change pushed the polar bear's range so far south? I'd be a bit worried if there are wild polar bears in Scotland now!

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Originally Posted by Sidokar
Any particular reason why you want to use that fingering ? If it works for you at tempo and in a reliable way, does it matter what others may think of it ?
I'm not so sure the penny-on-the-back-of-the-hand hold (and it is a hold) is that old. My guess is it's a mid-19th century invention. So it's about performance practice.


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As my paws are the size of a koala bear's rather than a polar bear's (which I saw for the first time in Scotland two weeks ago - so huge that if it had swallowed me whole, I wouldn't have made a dent in its belly), ...

In a zoo, I hope? Or has climate change pushed the polar bear's range so far south? I'd be a bit worried if there are wild polar bears in Scotland now!
It was posing for tourists on an iceberg floating between the Orkney and Shetland Islands wink .....in the Highland Wildlife Park in the Cairngorms.
Even a hardcore mountaineer like me needs a break - occasionally - in the midst of Munro-bagging whistle.


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Originally Posted by chopin_r_us
Out of interest how many of you would use this LH fingering for this common cadential pattern?
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Mozart K330, 3rd mov.

I would use 1 2 4 on the second chord-- much more comfortable, and greater economy of motion.

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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
Originally Posted by chopin_r_us
Out of interest how many of you would use this LH fingering for this common cadential pattern?
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Mozart K330, 3rd mov.

I would use 1 2 4 on the second chord-- much more comfortable, and greater economy of motion.

Each to their own, of course, but I'd find the stretch between 2,3,4 incredibly uncomfortable once extending to the D/F.

What the OP suggests feels unbalanced to me. I would suggest using 1,3,5 - which will allow a fairly legato movement to the D/F afterwards

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Originally Posted by chopin_r_us
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This hand was GREAT in the Addams Family films.

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Originally Posted by fatar760
Originally Posted by Sweelinck
Originally Posted by chopin_r_us
Out of interest how many of you would use this LH fingering for this common cadential pattern?
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Mozart K330, 3rd mov.

I would use 1 2 4 on the second chord-- much more comfortable, and greater economy of motion.

Each to their own, of course, but I'd find the stretch between 2,3,4 incredibly uncomfortable once extending to the D/F.

What the OP suggests feels unbalanced to me. I would suggest using 1,3,5 - which will allow a fairly legato movement to the D/F afterwards


I would use 1 2 on the d/f, holding the 4.

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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
Originally Posted by chopin_r_us
Out of interest how many of you would use this LH fingering for this common cadential pattern?
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Mozart K330, 3rd mov.

I would use 1 2 4 on the second chord-- much more comfortable, and greater economy of motion.

Each to their own, of course, but I'd find the stretch between 2,3,4 incredibly uncomfortable once extending to the D/F.

What the OP suggests feels unbalanced to me. I would suggest using 1,3,5 - which will allow a fairly legato movement to the D/F afterwards


I would use 1 2 on the d/f, holding the 4.

And where is your finger 5?

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I would use:

1 3 5 for F/A/D
1 2 4 for G/C/E
1 2 4 for G/D/F

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Here's my hand resting on a table. The difference with you folks is (I think) my elbows are at my side:

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Interestingly in Montgeroult's book it states "we will observe
than the thumb must be entirely under the index,"


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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
I would use:

1 3 5 for F/A/D
1 2 4 for G/C/E
1 2 4 for G/D/F

I understood, but I wonder where your finger 5 is.

Also, you're not not going to have a legato phrase with 1+2 moving from the C/E to D/F.

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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
I would use:

1 3 5 for F/A/D
1 2 4 for G/C/E
1 2 4 for G/D/F
For right hand? In that case:

1 2 5
1 2 4
1 3 5

Which I think everyone would do? More reason for my original left hand fingerings.


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Why not 531/521/521...? It's way more comfortable...

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Originally Posted by Moz-art
Why not 531/521/521...? It's way more comfortable...

For me, this fingering prevents a legato phrase.

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Yes, Mozart has tied the last two quavers.


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Originally Posted by Moz-art
Why not 531/521/521...? It's way more comfortable...
The best fingering for most except those with very large hands. The whole fixation on playing that phrase with perfect legato and beyond awkward fingering is silly.

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Why not 531/521/521...? It's way more comfortable...
The best fingering for most except those with very large hands. The whole fixation on playing that phrase with perfect legato and beyond awkward fingering is silly.

Would you like a broom for that large sweeping statement or.....?

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Whatever the fingering you must at least slur 1 set of quavers (goes without saying).


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Originally Posted by fatar760
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Originally Posted by Moz-art
Why not 531/521/521...? It's way more comfortable...
The best fingering for most except those with very large hands. The whole fixation on playing that phrase with perfect legato and beyond awkward fingering is silly.

Would you like a broom for that large sweeping statement or.....?
I bet if you look at top pianists playing this passage none of them try to connect both notes marked with the slur. Some will probably use 531-531-521 to connect the lower two notes. There are so many more important things to be concerned with in this piece IMO the attempt at pure legato fingering is missing the forest for the trees.

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If both are easily slurred them you would. With a natural oblique angle of fingers (because wrist pronators are relaxed) it is (easy).


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