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Hi friends,

This is a special message to those who have the Bosendorfer 280VC and can render midi from it. I have a midi file where I played some snippets of music, and I would like to hear how the 280VC would sound like under my "fingers". If you are interested, please send me a PM and I will give you the midi to render. I would love to hear, if possible, all microphone positions to see if I like the tone of it or not.

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Hi David, don't know if anyone has gotten to it yet, but happy to help. I don't know if you have any other of the synchron pianos but as always it's worth keeping in mind that each piano will feel different as you'll adjust your touch as you play it... The 280VC has a harder attack than the imperial, for instance. But you probably already know this =]

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Originally Posted by napilopez
Hi David, don't know if anyone has gotten to it yet, but happy to help. I don't know if you have any other of the synchron pianos but as always it's worth keeping in mind that each piano will feel different as you'll adjust your touch as you play it... The 280VC has a harder attack than the imperial, for instance. But you probably already know this =]

Thank you for your help! I've messaged you already. I've heard about the Imperial has a softer attack, but I'm not sure if I really need the extra keys. smile

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280VC already purchased, email sent…

Congratulations. Have fun with your 280VC! I'm still debating... smile I'm going to try convincing myself either to buy it, or not... smile

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Thanks to napilopez, I was able to listen to myself "playing" on both the Bosendorfer 280VC and also the Bosendorfer Imperial. Here are my impressions for both:
1. The 280VC has a nicer tone than the Imperial, but the sharp attack in the forte and above may tire me. Mid1 microphone may be a better companion, but as I sit back and listen, I always want to desire something warmer. If it was just a little bit warmer, that would be my next favorite instrument. Alas, I'm going to let go of it.
2. The Bosendorfer Imperial has a better attack, but some notes appear to be slightly out of tune. There are micro differences in the unison notes / strings, and in this kind of exposed solo piano context, this may not be a good choice. The D274 manages this slightly better, and so is the 280VC to my ears.

Over all, my impressions of both Bosendorfers are a bit mixed. And I think the Bosendorfer tone on the 280VC sounds a bit better, if it were not for the sharp attacks.

With this in mind, I've officially talked myself out of buying another VST.

Thanks for answering my request and reading this update! smile

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Originally Posted by David Lai
2. The Bosendorfer Imperial has a better attack, but some notes appear to be slightly out of tune. There are micro differences in the unison notes / strings, and in this kind of exposed solo piano context, this may not be a good choice. The D274 manages this slightly better, and so is the 280VC to my ears.

Over all, my impressions of both Bosendorfers are a bit mixed. And I think the Bosendorfer tone on the 280VC sounds a bit better, if it were not for the sharp attacks.

With this in mind, I've officially talked myself out of buying another VST.

Thanks for answering my request and reading this update! smile

Thank you for the analysis. I trust your ears more than I trust mine. I don't hear the "micro differences" in the tuning, but I believe they exists because you can hear them and your hearing is exponentially better than mine.

I was drawn to the 280VC at first and preferred its tone over Bösendorfer Imperial. However, the sharp attack - even with midi touch curve adjustment - tends to weary me also. Therefore, I find myself playing the Bösendofer Imperial more. I find the warmth and evenness of the Bösendorfer Imperial comforting and it helps me feel more relaxed when I play. I did not get that feeling with the D274 because it also seemed too aggressive in the attack, and on top of that, colder in the tone.

So far the Bösendforfer Imperial is my favorite, 280VC second, and the CFX would be third if I still owned it.

Thanks for sharing. Your perspective is always insightful and educational.

God Bless,
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Glad I could help you save some money wink.

I will say that it in my case it a very minor tweak to the velocity curve to make the 280VC play more to my tastes. Although in my case it was that I thought the attack was too hard in the mp and p range.

With the Imperial when playing with a dry mix it tends to feel like the releases are too loud. So still trying to find my balance there. But I do prefer the attack overall. Still don't know which I prefer

Altogether I think I'm still happier with my original VSL choice for practicing, which is the Bluthner. I do like me a piano with a lot of character =] but I'm glad I have these for when I want something more 'normal' sounding. Here's hoping someday they sample a modern Bluthner too.

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Hello,

@David Lai, @David B, and @napilopez, Thank you for your useful and practical feedback on these three (four, five) VSL libraries, which I read with interest.

I'm rather sensitive to 'micro differences' in tuning or other characteristics of the tone, so to me this is super useful to know.

Cheers and happy piano studies,

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Thank you all! @David B: I guess what you said about me having better hearing may be correct, but I guess it all goes down to how one thinks the piano should sound like. I think if a recorded instrument is professionally done, it should be in tune at least. A key shouldn't have one kind of sound quality in one velocity level, and then another quality when the sound gets louder. You can hear that in the Imperial between the samples.

To everyone else: thanks for bearing with me. smile I'm glad I was able to save some money myself! wink

Have a wonderful weekend!!!

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A lot of the 280vc stuff can be adjusted. But I listened to some recordings of acoustic 280vc’s and noticed the hammers are pretty pronounced. It kind of made me feel better about it. I got a preset for 280vc that warmed and smoothed it quite a bit, though the tone wasn’t optimized for my playback equipment, but it still showed me that a lot can be done with setting changes. That said, there’s never a free lunch so changing one thing will affect something else.

I found the top end fatiguing, too. It forces me to play a little softer up there which helps. I agree the BI is warmer and more relaxed sounding, I just felt it was a little less versatile of a tone.

Anyway it would be cool if you could hear your same midi through a different preset to see if it helps.

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Originally Posted by Joe Garfield
A lot of the 280vc stuff can be adjusted. But I listened to some recordings of acoustic 280vc’s and noticed the hammers are pretty pronounced. It kind of made me feel better about it. I got a preset for 280vc that warmed and smoothed it quite a bit, though the tone wasn’t optimized for my playback equipment, but it still showed me that a lot can be done with setting changes. That said, there’s never a free lunch so changing one thing will affect something else.

I found the top end fatiguing, too. It forces me to play a little softer up there which helps. I agree the BI is warmer and more relaxed sounding, I just felt it was a little less versatile of a tone.

Anyway it would be cool if you could hear your same midi through a different preset to see if it helps.

I agree with your opinions. Well, I guess Bosendorfer is probably not my tone at the end of the day. smile So I guess I won't be missing anything. I'm glad a couple of friends reached out and helped me with rendering these midi files. smile


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