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Hello everyone!

I decided that it's about time I learn to play the piano. So the hunt for my first digital piano has begun, and this jungle is thick.
I mainly produce/compose music in [insert DAW] but this purchase is more for hours upon hours of practice rather than putting down quick riffs. The sound of the piano will not be of major importance seeing as VST's + my KRK monitors will probably provide a deeper experience. USB>PC is therefore a fat bonus, but MIDI would do as well.
Frankly, I am underwhelmed by the feel of most digital pianos I've tried, and this is my main focus. To me a CLP775 didn't win over a Casio CDP-130 by a landslide in terms of feel. Might be much due to my inexperience as well I'm aware. Grew up with an upright at home and it's just different leagues of course.

So what I've come across so far:
Kawai ES8 - 800$
Kawai ES920 - 1150$
(1700 new)
Privia PX770 - 450$ (800 new)
Yamaha P155 - 900$ (1500 new)
Casio CDP130 - 250-300$ (might as well grab a new CDP-S100 then as it's 350 new)

I heard the FP30 has a good action for it's price, but I spent four hours at the local shop and after 15 minutes on this I was fatigued (felt like unnecessary resistance in the keys). Tried it a couple more times and it felt easier, but still fatiguing.
If this is something I'll get used to, there is one for 400$

Yamaha P155 keys feel light but with a fair return, minimal sponge.
Casio PX770/PX-S1000 a bit mushier with a slower return while a
Roland HP704 (2000$ new) for example feels snappier and more to my liking although not as overly resistant as the FP30.
The difference between HP704 and CLP775 was negligible to me. By then it was more about the sound. Nord felt nice as well but they start at 1500 used.
Going to the capital tomorrow to visit the only Kawai reseller - the flagship store! I am hoping they feel different to everything I've tried as most posts I've read here praises them.


I live in Sweden, and our prices are skewed it seems? Secondhand market just as much.
We have limited Kawai support so it feels a bit on the coin-toss side if it holds up over the years.

So - cheapest possible or all in? I won't be able to upgrade for 2-3 years due to economy.

Have a good one!
André

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Originally Posted by pangkaka
Casio CDP130 - 250-300$ (might as well grab a new CDP-S100 then as it's 350 new)

The hammer action isn't the same in CDP and CDP-S.

CDP as far as I know is what a few generations old Privia and Celviano models used.

CDP-S has a rather new more compact design that's also shared with the PX-S models minus some software trickery.

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The Yamaha P-155 at $900 is overpriced. And the "new" price is kind of irrelevant and it's such an old model. There was the P-255 after that for many years and then came the P-515.

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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
The hammer action isn't the same in CDP and CDP-S.

CDP as far as I know is what a few generations old Privia and Celviano models used.

CDP-S has a rather new more compact design that's also shared with the PX-S models minus some software trickery.


Would you say the S is a step up or a step down? As I can play no complicated passages or such I mainly get my impression from simple chords, and the short time I spent on both the Privia and CDP-S they felt quite similar. Could it have been a refurbished PX770 that I played? Didn't get hold of an employee to ask.

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The Yamaha P-155 at $900 is overpriced. And the "new" price is kind of irrelevant and it's such an old model. There was the P-255 after that for many years and then came the P-515.

Fair point. I'll correct the post as I was referring to the P-515 being priced at 1500 new. Would a P255 at 1000$ be more of a bargain? I would offer 800.

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Kawai ES920 - 1150$ (1700 new)

I'd spend the extra money (above $1000) for that. It's a pretty new model, "mid-range" rather than entry-level. It has a better action, and (I think) better sound generator, than the lower-priced competitors.

The "used" price seems reasonable.


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Originally Posted by pangkaka
Would you say the S is a step up or a step down?
Actions are subjective, but the Casio models you list actually use a variety of actions...

CDP-130 = "Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard," is what they called their first generation hammer action (at least this century; I don't know whether they ever made other hammer actions longer ago), so this one is presumably similar or identical to the early Privia models (PX-x00, PX-x10, PX-x20), which may not have all been identical, but at least seemed very similar. My opinion may not be common, but this happens to be my favorite Casio action, it's pretty light and quick which I like, though it can get noisy as it gets old, probably from compression of the felt strips.

Privia PX-770 = "Tri-Sensor II Scaled Hammer Action," their third generation (similar or identical to the Privia PX-x50, PX-x60, PX-5S, CGP-700) - has textured keys and a third sensor (though one whose placement is not as effective as on some other three-sensor boards). I don't like it quite as much as their first action, but it's still good, and I found it to be an improvement on the second generation action that was in between the two ("Tri-Sensor Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard" as on the PX-x30).

CDP-S100 and PX-S1000 use their current (so 4th generation) actions, "Scaled Weighted Hammer Action Keyboard" on the former and "Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard" on the latter which I believe adds some software tweaking to the same mechanics to improve performance (the "smart" part). I think it feels pretty similar to the previous action, but a little better in having less bounce on the return, but also a little worse by being less even in response from the front of the keys to the back. It also loses the third sensor. Some people think this is better overall than their previous action, some people prefer the previous action.

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@anotherscot you seem well versed in Casio history. We have a Celvanio AP-45 from over 10 years ago, and possibly looking to upgrade mainly for better action. I assumed as its so old it’ll be ancient and lots better will be available. Is that the case or am I looking at serious money for a big improvement? (we are potentially looking at Kawai CA79/99/NV5 if necessary)

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Hello,

@mrklaw, The three Kawai options you mention embody serious improvements over your current piano. I would be over the moon if I could afford and play any one of these three models.

Cheers and happy decision making,

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The ES8 sounds great if it’s not too old and in good condition. Is it from a dealer and do they offer a warranty? I have an ES8 and love it. The action on the 920 is basically the same.


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Originally Posted by pangkaka
Fair point. I'll correct the post as I was referring to the P-515 being priced at 1500 new.
The P-155 was priced $1000 when new.


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