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Hey I only submitted one answer, so although I only got 1 out of 7, my "correct rate" is 100% grin

I think the take away is Steinway does have a unique sound that is relatively easy to identify, and that is not only because most albums were recorded with Steinway so most of us are more familiar with the sound.

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Hey I only submitted one answer, so although I only got 1 out of 7, my "correct rate" is 100% grin

I think the take away is Steinway does have a unique sound that is relatively easy to identify, and that is not only because most albums were recorded with Steinway so most of us are more familiar with the sound.
I'd add that I never said Steinway was one of the 7 pianos, so the fact that you correctly picked it out perhaps means you really know your Steinway.

(but if Steinway were not one of them, would people cry foul? hahaha)

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So piano no5 ("sounds fragile and hollow") is a C Bechstein., However, cheer up Bechstein owners it's still "good for Bach's fast movements...."

Hakki you must have the biggest earphone around and a qualification in magic.However Congratulations!
To the OP this thread may have been less pretentiously presented. Perhaps it could been just introduced as a series samples of different brands (despite the difficulties of recording and the other variables obviously present)

Remember that out of tune Pleyel thread..?


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To the OP this thread may have been less pretentiously presented. Perhaps it could been just introduced as a series samples of different brands (despite the difficulties of recording and the other variables obviously present)
Haha, yes (note to self: wines and pianos don't mix). I forgot to recap your answers, but I think you were noncommittal and threw in the towel grin
I'm just sad that 'the other 3' (Grotrian, Steingraeber, Sauter) are not represented.


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Vocaroo certainly ensured a level playing field for the quiz !!!


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Originally Posted by cygnusdei
OE1FEU gets 1 answer correct - does he actually recognize the Blüthner sound, or it's just a fluke? (1:7 chance, because I already said one of the pianos is a Blüthner)

One answer correct with one answer given is 100% correct.

I win.

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Well this is something. I highlighted out Piano 5 as 'fragile and hollow' because I've heard exactly that quality before in Jörg Demus' vintage WTC recordings. I've always wondered what piano he played because it suits Bach very well. Going with this lead, I did a little sleuthing and - apparently Demus was a 'Bechstein Artist' !

"My hands, my heart, and my ears love Bechstein."
JÖRG DEMUS
https://www.bechstein.com/en/the-world-of-bechstein/pianists/joerg-demus/

Now I can say with reasonable confidence that he indeed recorded the WTC (and complete Schumann works) on Bechstein - how's that for 'fragile and hollow' ?

But apparently sometime later he crossed over to being a Steinway Artist - there are even videos recently uploaded of him giving WTC tutorials on a Steinway, which of course sounds 'round and bloomy'.

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Plot twist, Hakki googled every Aria from Bach Goldberg Variations BWV 988, and compared them with your 7 samples to see if they matched.

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Plot twist, Hakki googled every Aria from Bach Goldberg Variations BWV 988, and compared them with your 7 samples to see if they matched.
Haha, that's certainly not outside the realms of possibility. But you understand why initially I wanted this to be a totally open ended problem, because constraining the options to the 'top 10' already simplifies the piano universe significantly.

Let's see if I can even come with the next 10 names (that aren't so obscure): Feurich, Brodmann, Estonia, Mason & Hamlin, Petrof, Schimell, Kayserburg, August Förster, Baldwin, Charles Walter, Hailun (my baby grand!).

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Originally Posted by cygnusdei
Well this is something. I highlighted out Piano 5 as 'fragile and hollow' because I've heard exactly that quality before in Jörg Demus' vintage WTC recordings. I've always wondered what piano he played because it suits Bach very well. Going with this lead, I did a little sleuthing and - apparently Demus was a 'Bechstein Artist' !

"My hands, my heart, and my ears love Bechstein."
JÖRG DEMUS
https://www.bechstein.com/en/the-world-of-bechstein/pianists/joerg-demus/

Now I can say with reasonable confidence that he indeed recorded the WTC (and complete Schumann works) on Bechstein - how's that for 'fragile and hollow' ?

But apparently sometime later he crossed over to being a Steinway Artist - there are even videos recently uploaded of him giving WTC tutorials on a Steinway, which of course sounds 'round and bloomy'.
Have ever played a CBechstein grand?


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Originally Posted by tre corda
Have ever played a CBechstein grand?
who? me? no. why? you?


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Originally Posted by cygnusdei
Originally Posted by tre corda
Have ever played a CBechstein grand?
who? me? no. why? you?
While you might use words like "hollow" and "fragile" to describe a Bechstein's tone, most would find those words uncomplimentary, and I think few would use those terms.

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While you might use words like "hollow" and "fragile" to describe a Bechstein's tone, most would find those words uncomplimentary, and I think few would use those terms.
Kiri Te Kanawa's voice is often described as 'creamy'. I guess a lactose intolerant might find it uncomplimentary.


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Thank you cygnusde for providing such a tantalising listening test during a bleak Covid-19 lockdown in Auckland and congratulations to Hakki on his fantastic result. It was also an excellent choice of music which offered a transparent tonal texture to help us assess each piano individually.
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Originally Posted by cygnusdei
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
While you might use words like "hollow" and "fragile" to describe a Bechstein's tone, most would find those words uncomplimentary, and I think few would use those terms.
Kiri Te Kanawa's voice is often described as 'creamy'. I guess a lactose intolerant might find it uncomplimentary.
You may be surprised to find out that the singer herself would find it unpleasant to hear that "some people" describe her voice as "creamy".She may not even not suffer from the condition you mentioned.

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You may be surprised to find out that the singer herself would find it unpleasant to hear that "some people" describe her voice as "creamy".She may not even not suffer from the condition you mentioned.
Would it be these people?

Chicago Tribune (1985) "It's hard not to be seduced by the creamy opulence of her sound."

Mail & Guardian (1995) "After a long career in opera, her voice still does not show any seams between the registers, and its legendary creamy quality remains unblemished, still without its equal."

Wall Street Journal (2004) "Ms. Te Kanawa's voice remains luscious and creamy ..."

WQXR (2012) " ... her soprano was so often called 'creamy' ..."

Reuters (2014) " ... giving the audience a glimpse of her famous creamy high notes."

NPR (2017) " ... performed on all of the world's great opera and concert stages with a luscious, famously creamy sound."

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Originally Posted by cygnusdei
Originally Posted by tre corda
You may be surprised to find out that the singer herself would find it unpleasant to hear that "some people" describe her voice as "creamy".She may not even not suffer from the condition you mentioned.
Would it be these people?

Chicago Tribune (1985) "It's hard not to be seduced by the creamy opulence of her sound."

Mail & Guardian (1995) "After a long career in opera, her voice still does not show any seams between the registers, and its legendary creamy quality remains unblemished, still without its equal."

Wall Street Journal (2004) "Ms. Te Kanawa's voice remains luscious and creamy ..."

WQXR (2012) " ... her soprano was so often called 'creamy' ..."

Reuters (2014) " ... giving the audience a glimpse of her famous creamy high notes."

NPR (2017) " ... performed on all of the world's great opera and concert stages with a luscious, famously creamy sound."
Yes I am sure it put her off cream for life!
"Creamy", is just an expression.It is not an exact term for describing a person's voice.It probably would be more accurate to talk about a "rich tone" as opposed to a thin tone."Richness of tone"implies a tone rich in overtones."Fragile and hollow" suggests perhaps a weak, "nasal sound" to me.It could never mean a wonderful tone.

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Originally Posted by tre corda
"Fragile and hollow" suggests perhaps a weak, "nasal sound" to me.It could never mean a wonderful tone.
I'm sorry but to me that's the closest I can describe the sound. But if it offends you so from now on I'll refer to it as 'f****** and h*****'.


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Hey cygnusdei we are all just human and we perceive and describe tone differently because of our past references.(ideas and experiences)The usual and perhaps more acceptable ways of describing tone is usually bright, mellow, clear, pure, strident, bell like etc.

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