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Oddly I don't recall many modern 2 wheel sidecars. There are some CV solutions that you (may) need to translate.

Best new solution IMHO is French Touché controller looks best but also expensive
https://www.expressivee.com/buy-touche

Cheapest new solution is some small multi-controler box like this
https://www.korg.com/us/products/computergear/nanokontrol2/

Doepfer sold the WheelBox & WheelElectric. The single "Modulation Wheel kit" is still be on offer. The dual "modulation wheel set" is sold out. Dual "A-174-2 Wheels" is really for a CV rack. You can cobble this stuff into a box.
http://www.doepfer.de/we.htm
http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm

Synthesizers.com has a two wheel solution but that is expensive (and maybe CV)
https://www.synthesizers.com/q181w.html

Finally, if you like DIY projects, you could get some used gizmos used from the usual auction sites.

Thank You I will research those.

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Just making sure you didn't miss my post, soundchaser, since I think it is the only suggestion that has not been commented on. There are apps like this one... https://apps.apple.com/us/app/modwheels/id519468137
Well, I don't use iPhone, and I'm hesitant to use something that is not dedicated hardware for performances. It's something I will look at for Android, it may be useful if I am adding midi control changes after the performance is captured.

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Hi... I have for a long time this small-company product in my bookmarks:

https://atemp.ru/en/products/atemp_mc1.html

Have no idea if it works (or even if the company is still operating...), and cannot even remember where I got this reference... Check it out (and report back, please).

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Hi... I have for a long time this small-company product in my bookmarks:
https://atemp.ru/en/products/atemp_mc1.html
Have no idea if it works (or even if the company is still operating...), and cannot even remember where I got this reference... Check it out (and report back, please).

This is the device I am referring to in post #3143822 above. There is a great demo clip (I think it was on youtube, not sure) and it looks like exactly what I was wanting, BUT........when I try to find it for sale it's not out there. It's from....where? sold by.....who? for about......how much? No clue. Can't find it anywhere, and I'm not willing to risk paying money to buy something directly from a private web site that is written in Russian. (one of the web sites I found was Russian) If it was made and sold by some famous name company that we have all heard of I probably woulda bought it already.

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Thanks vagfilm for suggesting that awesome Russian Atemp gizmo. Atemp have a few other items, even electronic accordion devices.

In 2020, two long-time members of the GearSpace forum posted their experiences with the Atemp controller.

https://gearspace.com/board/electro...one-pitch-bend-mod-wheel-controller.html

I have purchased auto parts from USSR with good quality, quick shipment, and no issues. Given the GearSpace comments and the esoteric detail in the website with videos, this seems like a relatively low risk transaction. Some credit cards provide good buyer protection so they can further derisk the transaction.

Edit- one guy said he paid £120 inc shipping in 2020.

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Cheapest new solution is some small multi-controler box like this
https://www.korg.com/us/products/computergear/nanokontrol2/

Yeah, those other pieces are very expensive.
Using this Korg link I did find the Korg nanokontrol Studio Mobile. It is basically a midi DAW software controller for running the transport controls and up to 8 software mixer channels like sub groups.
What I really like about it is the wireless capability. It can run bluetooth on just 2 triple AAA batteries. Then I wouldn't have to use my phone to control Reaper. I could really use this next October when my drummer friend comes to record and I don't want to be tethered to the computer by a mouse. Or when I'm in the booth recording guitar and I need wireless remote control of the Reaper transport functions and the headphone mix.

But I would still be in need of something that can do pitch wheel and mod wheel (or ribbon) for my piano performances, and the Novation Launchkey Mini still seems like a good candidate for that.


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Thanks vagfilm for suggesting that awesome Russian Atemp gizmo. Atemp have a few other items, even electronic accordion devices.

In 2020, two long-time members of the GearSpace forum posted their experiences with the Atemp controller.

https://gearspace.com/board/electro...one-pitch-bend-mod-wheel-controller.html

I have purchased auto parts from USSR with good quality, quick shipment, and no issues. Given the GearSpace comments and the esoteric detail in the website with videos, this seems like a relatively low risk transaction. Some credit cards provide good buyer protection so they can further derisk the transaction.

Edit- one guy said he paid £120 inc shipping in 2020.

OMG! How did you find that? That is excellent info, and changes my perspective completely. Nothing like actual user and eye witness testimony to fill in the gaps and make me feel like the thing is actually worth getting.
And it is recent, not quite a year ago. That means I can probably still get the thing. That would be an ideal solution for my use if I can get it and it proves to be solid and reliable. Thanks for that info.

Just sent them an email asking about it.

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Why not just pick up a used CP4? I believe sounds and action are similar to P515 sans built in speakers. CP4 lighter and has wheels.


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Why not just pick up a used CP4? I believe sounds and action are similar to P515 sans built in speakers. CP4 lighter and has wheels.
I assume he's happy with his piano, and the sounds and action are not identical. But tangentially, you bring up something I've always found irritating, that there are plenty of portable pianos with speakers and plenty with pitch/mod wheels for when you want your DP to double as a controller, but very few with both.

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An interesting option is Expressive E’s Touché SE. it allows you to control four expression parameters up and down right and left. Very highly regarded.

https://www.expressivee.com/1-touche


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one guy said he paid £120 inc shipping in 2020.
Got a email reply from ATemp, it will be $155 USD shipped. Tempting but I'll have to think about it for a few days. The Novation Launchkey Mini uses a ribbon for pitch and mod, has other programmable controls, and I can get one new for $100. Hard to choose one or the other!


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That is a competitive price looking at Doepfer, Synthesizers.com, etc.

There is a USED ATemp for sale on Reverb.com from a seller in NYC for $195 ($180 + $15 shipping). I don't know if warranty transfers or how good the Reverb guarantee is. That seller has no feedback ratings or other items for sale now. The used box looks like a different unit than the ones shown on the GearSpace site (see LED colors & knob colors).

The Launchkey Mini is quite popular but I strongly prefer wheels to ribbons. Some find ribbons fine so that is personal choice. Is there a music store nearby that has the Launchkey or some other box with ribbons you can try out for 15 minutes?

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Hi. I just received my Atemp MC1 today. I bought it on the strength of the information in this thread. So thank you. Having used it for a short while I can confirm that it works perfectly out of the box. I tried it in my DAW (cubase) and standalone. Pitch and Mod wheels were pre-mapped in every VST I tried. Top 4 knobs can be assigned to anything via midi learn. Volume knob is pre-mapped to cc7 which is great in Spitfire and Kontakt. It’s built like a tank too.
Took 10 days to arrive from Russia to UK and cost £117 ($155) including P&P. I dealt with Aleksey at Atemp. Emails were answered same day and they were very professional. So if you’re still on the fence about buying from them I would say go for it. It’s exactly what I was looking for. Only takes up a small amount of space on top of my VPC1.

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Hi. I just received my Atemp MC1 today. I bought it on the strength of the information in this thread. So thank you. Having used it for a short while I can confirm that it works perfectly out of the box. I tried it in my DAW (cubase) and standalone. Pitch and Mod wheels were pre-mapped in every VST I tried. Top 4 knobs can be assigned to anything via midi learn. Volume knob is pre-mapped to cc7 which is great in Spitfire and Kontakt. It’s built like a tank too.
Took 10 days to arrive from Russia to UK and cost £117 ($155) including P&P. I dealt with Aleksey at Atemp. Emails were answered same day and they were very professional. So if you’re still on the fence about buying from them I would say go for it. It’s exactly what I was looking for. Only takes up a small amount of space on top of my VPC1.

This is really cool. I wish I’d known about this sooner as it could’ve been paired with my (now departed) Nord.

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Thank you. One thing that struck me on its arrival is how beautiful the outer packaging was. It actually had 56 postage stamps in a multitude of different colours attached to it and had been franked 25 times. I couldn’t bring myself to throw it out after removing the MC1 as it was like a work of art. Couldn’t take my eyes off it. Looked like it not only came from another country but from a another time altogether. And that was just the box!

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