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#3143093 08/03/21 03:42 PM
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I figured I'd become a well-rounded musician(or wanna-be) rather than a piano player
I began my ear training about 1 month ago. using tonedear.com , I found my interval identification is about 80% correct rate.
( simultaneous sound, all intervals).
my question is when should I start my training for triads and seventh chords? Should the above-mentioned rate to achieve a certain number to start?

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Originally Posted by 24000rpm
I figured I'd become a well-rounded musician(or wanna-be) rather than a piano player

Translation .... Learning to play piano is too much work. LOL .....

I hear you.


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Many music students don't learn to identify chords by ear but read everything off the sheet. If there is a spot that doesn't sound right, they wouldn't know. Some are really good readers and can read through difficult pieces the first time.

Another group of people like myself arrange, compose music or improvise. We need to be aware of the intervals & chords in the score. I learned basic chords & intervals in high school from a teacher who taught Strings (violin, viola, cello & bass). I couldn't reproduce 3-note chords on a violin but was aware of what they sound like. The students get tested in class. The teacher would play a chord off the piano and we needed to identify it by ear.

Ear training makes playing easier. You figured out the chord progression of a piece you can anticipate the next notes without relying on the sheet to learn them.

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Originally Posted by 24000rpm
my question is when should I start my training for triads and seventh chords? Should the above-mentioned rate to achieve a certain number to start?

My advice would be, just give it a try. If it goes well, obviously you were ready. If not, work some more on the intervals.


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Originally Posted by thepianoplayer416
Many music students don't learn to identify chords by ear but read everything off the sheet. If there is a spot that doesn't sound right, they wouldn't know. Some are really good readers and can read through difficult pieces the first time.
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Ear training makes playing easier. You figured out the chord progression of a piece you can anticipate the next notes without relying on the sheet to learn them.

This is not my experience: that if you read music well, you won’t recognize a wrong note when it is played. Maybe you won’t be able to recognize that a third was played when it should be a fourth, but you should still hear the dissonance of a wrong note. Reading music still involves the skill of listening, otherwise you will not be able to improve on almost any aspect of playing a piece well.


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Originally Posted by dogperson
This is not my experience: that if you read music well, you won’t recognize a wrong note when it is played.

When you get to an intermediate or advance level definitely agree ear training is important. Having a good ear most people would be able to tell if there is a wrong note in the melody line. The chords for accompaniment is harder to tell. Some of the time you can be off by 1 note and still sounds ok. Like playing off Lead Sheets there may be more than 1 chord that can go into a specific spot. Once I was learning Bach Invention #13 in Am. If I remember correctly it's Bar #15 the treble line starts with F-A-F. Some of the scores have F-Ab-F. The difference is between A & Ab. After hearing the 2 versions, they both sound correct but different so I assumed either is acceptable.

I'd listen to sound recordings carefully to pick out discrepancies. Once I listened to 3 different recordings of the Bach Cello Suite #1 Prelude on radio. They were performed by 3 different professional cellists for comparison. I've heard the piece enough times to know the notes. 1 of the recordings there was a note that was off (between a natural & sharp sort of thing). Is it considered a wrong note?

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