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When I first bought this Yamaha P515 I thought I could adjust and adapt to having no pitch wheel. I don't want to make natural instruments do unnatural things, but part of the selling point of this piano is to have it function as a midi controller.

Now I am finding that I cannot get good natural feeling performances using the sustain pedal for pitch bending.

The sustain pedal is the only pedal that can be programmed for pitch bend. And then it's only bending up or only bending down.
If this piano is supposed to also be a midi controller, why in the heck didn't they put a pitch bend wheel on it?

I need a pitch wheel. (or a ribbon if that's all I can get) What are my options for a piece of gear I can add to my rig that will give me pitch wheel (or ribbon), and is also sturdy, reliable, and reasonably powerful without breaking the bank? I don't really need a bunch of other midi controls but I will make do if I have to get a small keyboard or something. Is there anything that is just pitch wheel and mod wheel?


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There are apps that can give you touchscreen pitch/mod controls on an iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch. (Maybe something similar for Android too, I don't know.)

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One option seems to be to use the LP1 foot pedal assembly, then use a midi expression pedal in the other pedal jack.

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The last time I checked, there was no controllers exclusively with wheels. I could only find a DIY one searching on the internet. The closest thing I think you will able to find is some mini keys controller such as Arturia's Keystep.
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Or you can use something like a Korg NanoKontrol2 and do some CC assigning. That's what I'm using with my Kawai VPC1. Hope this helps!

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Originally Posted by David Lai
Or you can use something like a Korg NanoKontrol2 and do some CC assigning. That's what I'm using with my Kawai VPC1. Hope this helps!

I think nanokontrol2 does not meet his needs, wheels or strips missing.


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Another hit an run user? smile


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Originally Posted by EVC2017
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Or you can use something like a Korg NanoKontrol2 and do some CC assigning. That's what I'm using with my Kawai VPC1. Hope this helps!

I think nanokontrol2 does not meet his needs, wheels or strips missing.

I see. Yeah, you're right -- it only has knobs and other pushy things, no wheels. smile Personally I think they are similar in purpose so actually I didn't care too much. wink

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@EVC2017 we call that a One Hit Wonder =D

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Another hit an run user? smile
Thanks, I'm flattered.
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@EVC2017 we call that a One Hit Wonder =D
I call it working a day job so I can afford to play music at night.
Are you guys really that impatient? 24 hours to judge me a "hit and run"? Lovely.


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Originally Posted by soundchaser59
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Another hit an run user? smile
Thanks, I'm flattered.
Originally Posted by Joe Garfield
@EVC2017 we call that a One Hit Wonder =D
I call it working a day job so I can afford to play music at night.
Are you guys really that impatient? 24 hours to judge me a "hit and run"? Lovely.

Nah, patience is our middle name! (But unfortunately, "Got-no", is our first name)

Seriously though, I think that a lot of us would be interested in any solutions that you, or any members come up with, so please don't give up on us just yet!

And welcome to the forum!

Side note: I see that we share the use of some of the same technology including PianoTeq and Reaper, as well as Yamaha and Roland keys

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Can you assign an expression pedal to the full range you need (low-midpoint-high)?

There are a lot of pitchbend/mod wheels and joysticks from Thomann, korgparts.net, Ebay, etc. If you're handy, I think you can just get the right rotary pot, a wheel, spring and 1/4" TRS connector and cable and make your own to plug into the expression pedal jack? smile


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Originally Posted by soundchaser59
Originally Posted by EVC2017
Another hit an run user? smile
Thanks, I'm flattered.
Originally Posted by Joe Garfield
@EVC2017 we call that a One Hit Wonder =D
I call it working a day job so I can afford to play music at night.
Are you guys really that impatient? 24 hours to judge me a "hit and run"? Lovely.

I apologize if that was taken as being offensive, I was just playing around.

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I'm using Reaper so I need to keep it compatible with that.
The Reaper guys have mentioned the Korg Nano. I will have to read more info on the Arturia. They also say they have had some issues followed by some success with the Novation Launchkey, depending on how they install it. Anyone have any ideas about that one? It uses a ribbon instead of a wheel but that's not a show stopper.

(Being able to post only once ever 5 minutes is a bit of an annoyance, but I'll deal with it I guess.)


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
There are a lot of pitchbend/mod wheels and joysticks from Thomann, korgparts.net, Ebay, etc. If you're handy, I think you can just get the right rotary pot, a wheel, spring and 1/4" TRS connector and cable and make your own to plug into the expression pedal jack? smile
Intriguing idea, although I'd rather not have to do a home brew pitch wheel. I wouldn't have thought of that on my own. So far I've only found one small box that is just pitch wheel and mod wheel and nothing else. It was some Russian made thing that was impossible to purchase anywhere or get support for it if I did purchase it. But the demo clip made it look like exactly what I need.

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Can you assign an expression pedal to the full range you need (low-midpoint-high)?
I believe this is possible. One tipster pointed out that the problem with exp pedal for pitch bending is the pedals do not have any "snap to center" feature. My chances of getting it perfectly back to 0 every time I want to let go of the pitch bender are pretty slim. Not sure how I would do that if it doesn't spring back to center on its own.

back to the google drawing board for more searches.....


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Originally Posted by Joe Garfield
I apologize if that was taken as being offensive, I was just playing around.
I won't take it that way if you didn't mean it that way. I'm not trying to be elusive, I do a pretty good job of keeping track of the questions I post and reporting on whatever solutions I end up with. Unfortunately work gets in the way! LOL! This keyboard thing is pretty important to what I do with my music, so I'm pretty gung ho about finding a solution for this. Thanks!


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I had that dilemma a few years back. I just bought a Korg Microkey25, it has an assignable pitchbend/mod 4 way joystick...or there's the 37, which has the separate pitch and mod wheels.

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Originally Posted by soundchaser59
Originally Posted by EVC2017
Another hit an run user? smile
Thanks, I'm flattered.
Originally Posted by Joe Garfield
@EVC2017 we call that a One Hit Wonder =D
I call it working a day job so I can afford to play music at night.
Are you guys really that impatient? 24 hours to judge me a "hit and run"? Lovely.

Hello, Soundchaser59, I was kidding, of course, though it is often the case a newcomer posts only one message and never returns.

I am curious to know how this problem of yours solved. smile

David Lai had a similar (as in need a proper MIDI controller for his use case) a while ago and I found a lot of fun following the thread and knowing the final decision.

Welcome to the forum, BTW.

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Just making sure you didn't miss my post, soundchaser, since I think it is the only suggestion that has not been commented on. There are apps like this one... https://apps.apple.com/us/app/modwheels/id519468137

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Originally Posted by newer player
Oddly I don't recall many modern 2 wheel sidecars. There are some CV solutions that you (may) need to translate.

Best new solution IMHO is French Touché controller looks best but also expensive
https://www.expressivee.com/buy-touche

Cheapest new solution is some small multi-controler box like this
https://www.korg.com/us/products/computergear/nanokontrol2/

Doepfer sold the WheelBox & WheelElectric. The single "Modulation Wheel kit" is still be on offer. The dual "modulation wheel set" is sold out. Dual "A-174-2 Wheels" is really for a CV rack. You can cobble this stuff into a box.
http://www.doepfer.de/we.htm
http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm

Synthesizers.com has a two wheel solution but that is expensive (and maybe CV)
https://www.synthesizers.com/q181w.html

Finally, if you like DIY projects, you could get some used gizmos used from the usual auction sites.

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