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A Brian Culbertson vid.... he shows up in the Roland RD2000 ads.

Anywho.... we all want realistic DP sound.... well here is a "modern" recording of a real Mason & Hamlin grand. Let's compare and contrast.

In reading commentary on DP sounds, there appears to me to be a mythical acoustic piano sound... the standard by which all DP sounds are judged. Hmmm.....

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The quality fits the music...

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Originally Posted by eddiepiano
The quality fits the music...
What's wrong with smooth jazz?

Originally Posted by Bruce In Philly
A Brian Culbertson vid.... he shows up in the Roland RD2000 ads.

Anywho.... we all want realistic DP sound.... well here is a "modern" recording of a real Mason & Hamlin grand. Let's compare and contrast.
Piano sound for this kind of music has to be heavily processed to cut through other instruments. If it was pure recorded sound from that M&H it would be probably un-listenable.


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Originally Posted by AlphaBravoCharlie
What's wrong with smooth jazz?

Exactly. I've been going through the Shakatak discography lately.

And there IS a difference between the album version of "Night birds" and the one on 80's Casios as a demo tune, so instruments do matter in that genre too. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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Originally Posted by AlphaBravoCharlie
What's wrong with smooth jazz?
Nothing. But this particular piece is as schmaltzy as it gets.


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I love Shakatak! Regarding the difference: I think most of us mortals discussing "which DP sounds better", "which VST has the most realistic and nuanced sound" would agree that "sounds good" vs "doesn't sound good" has more to do with who's playing the instrument than instrument sound itself. I think music created with Williams Allegro played by pro pianist/keyboardist would beat any home/amateur piano enthusiast's recording done with most sophisticated sound engine.


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Originally Posted by eddiepiano
The quality fits the music...

The quality fits his performance.


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Originally Posted by AlphaBravoCharlie
Originally Posted by eddiepiano
The quality fits the music...
What's wrong with smooth jazz?

Originally Posted by Bruce In Philly
A Brian Culbertson vid.... he shows up in the Roland RD2000 ads.

Anywho.... we all want realistic DP sound.... well here is a "modern" recording of a real Mason & Hamlin grand. Let's compare and contrast.
Piano sound for this kind of music has to be heavily processed to cut through other instruments. If it was pure recorded sound from that M&H it would be probably un-listenable.

That's what I wanted to say, that cleary has a lot of processing on it, I can hear the compression on my work headphones. The studio space also looks like it shouldn't have a lot of reverb, so they probably also added some to the piano to and lot's of EQ in the end.

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Who cares? Sounded great and everybody havin' fun.


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I used to listen to some smooth jazz in the past and Culbertson was one of those that found frequent usage on my player. As much as I like it, his taste for piano sound is at the opposite side of what is actually a good piano sound. Thatโ€™s the case for almost all of the smooth jazz and pop music.


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Originally Posted by peterws
Who cares? Sounded great and everybody havin' fun.


Exactly..... when it comes to performance. There is an interesting chapter in Joe Jackson's book "A Cure for Gravity" (he is referring to music) where he describes some of the most fun... the most wonderful experience he had playing music, was on a busted up piano, some guy banging on a box, and a Greek guy flailing on a bouzouki. They were making pure music. So... yes, it is about love of and entertainment through music... any kind through any tool.

But.... that piano sounds awful.

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Who cares? Sounded great and everybody havin' fun.


Exactly..... when it comes to performance. There is an interesting chapter in Joe Jackson's book "A Cure for Gravity" (he is referring to music) where he describes some of the most fun... the most wonderful experience he had playing music, was on a busted up piano, some guy banging on a box, and a Greek guy flailing on a bouzouki. They were making pure music. So... yes, it is about love of and entertainment through music... any kind through any tool.

But.... that piano sounds awful.

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It's probably the mic, set to give the piano that lift which works so well on those higher notes. the piano itself probably sounds much different anyway, un-mic'd.


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Sorry, I don't get the complaints. The whole band is doing really great and it sounds pretty good to me. Granted, the piano sound is quite compressed, and perhaps I would prefer a little less compression.

Quite the opposite, from a player's perspective he does something I find incredibly difficult on a lot of digitals: playing "fluffy" lines with few notes and the right hand only.

For me, these lines normally feel awkward on many digitals and the lack of liveliness and resonances often pushes me towards playing more, faster and more pedal down (just like in all the demos of the digitals ;-)). That totally changes when I have the rare opportunity to play a gig on an acoustic grand (no matter how much compression and eq the sound engineer might apply).


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The sound wasn't bad, but when there is a boring tune we have the tendency to say that the sound was bad as well.

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Quite the opposite, from a player's perspective he does something I find incredibly difficult on a lot of digitals: playing "fluffy" lines with few notes and the right hand only

All white keys (except 2). Cheesy music, cheesy performance and so cliche (to me at least).

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Originally Posted by peterws
Who cares? Sounded great and everybody havin' fun.

YES!

That piano sounded like a mouse, and I know the RD-2000 can produce better sounds than that, but in the larger scheme and arrangement it doesn't matter since I enjoyed the overall performance!

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Originally Posted by AlphaBravoCharlie
Originally Posted by eddiepiano
The quality fits the music...
Piano sound for this kind of music has to be heavily processed to cut through other instruments. If it was pure recorded sound from that M&H it would be probably un-listenable.

Exactly, it has to be brightened for a song like this. Nothing wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by AlphaBravoCharlie
Piano sound for this kind of music has to be heavily processed to cut through other instruments. If it was pure recorded sound from that M&H it would be probably un-listenable.

So you are in fact invalidating the OP's post.

The OP is saying the piano sounds awful... we don't have enough information to say if it sounds awful or awesome in real life.

No information regarding the mics used and the post-prod is given. This is judging something based on the unknown.


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Nothing is unknown.

The recording was made available. Any user can listen to it. Simple.

Maybe it sounds good. It doesn't matter why. It just does.

... OR ...

Maybe it sounds bad. It doesn't matter why. It just does.

None of us were there for the performance and recording. Consequently one can only listen. Nothing more need be done.

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