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Last month, my piano teacher wanted me to start Mozart’s K283 as my next piece. I was polishing up Pathetique 2nd Mvt and two Chopin Nocturnes, and I was thinking about starting something else, but… I asked him why Mozart and he said it would challenge me in different ways. I listened to K283 and was neutral on it…..until I started playing it. OMG….what a FUN piece to play and work on. I’m hooked! I just ordered K331 and am really looking forward to starting it.

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Like you, I haven’t played much Mozart but recently sight-read through parts of K331 and decided I wanted to learn the whole sonata. I feel like I have been lured into a madcap caper led by WAM himself. I’m hooked, too! My biggest challenge? Playing fast!



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I played k332 1st mvt - the first sonata movement I ever memorized. Actually, the only sonata movement I ever memorized! 95% of it was pretty straightforward to play, but there was the remaining 5% that I just couldn't get to the same standard. I think it was thirds.

And Mozart allegro is fast - 120 seemed too slow. but 126, 132 yikes! Now we are talking fast...

The Fantasias are interesting too - like little opera overtures, with all the contrasting characters...

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I'm just now head over heels for the Mozart solo piano works. I don't know anything about K283, but this very moment before I dropped into ABF I was into the 2d movement of K570.

All of a sudden I want to learn all of the Mozart sonatas. Ok, maybe not all of them. Just K310, 330, *331*, 332, *475/457*, 533, 545, 570. And 394, 397, 511, and 540.

That's not unrealistic, right?


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Originally Posted by hawgdriver
I'm just now head over heels for the Mozart solo piano works. I don't know anything about K283, but this very moment before I dropped into ABF I was into the 2d movement of K570.

All of a sudden I want to learn all of the Mozart sonatas. Ok, maybe not all of them. Just K310, 330, *331*, 332, *475/457*, 533, 545, 570. And 394, 397, 511, and 540.

That's not unrealistic, right?

Realistic? I can’t say. But there is so much great piano repertoire out there you may find that learning 1 or 2 Mozart sonatas satisfies you. Guess it depends on how fast you learn pieces.



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Originally Posted by 3B43
Last month, my piano teacher wanted me to start Mozart’s K283 as my next piece. I was polishing up Pathetique 2nd Mvt and two Chopin Nocturnes, and I was thinking about starting something else, but… I asked him why Mozart and he said it would challenge me in different ways. I listened to K283 and was neutral on it…..until I started playing it. OMG….what a FUN piece to play and work on. I’m hooked! I just ordered K331 and am really looking forward to starting it.
Same here. I learned the first movement of K283 a while ago and it was a really fun piece to play. I had to curb my enthusiasm to avoid speeding and inevitably crashing and burning. grin

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Originally Posted by hawgdriver
I'm just now head over heels for the Mozart solo piano works. I don't know anything about K283, but this very moment before I dropped into ABF I was into the 2d movement of K570.

All of a sudden I want to learn all of the Mozart sonatas. Ok, maybe not all of them. Just K310, 330, *331*, 332, *475/457*, 533, 545, 570. And 394, 397, 511, and 540.

That's not unrealistic, right?
I think one lifetime is sufficient. wink

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Originally Posted by hawgdriver
I'm just now head over heels for the Mozart solo piano works. I don't know anything about K283, but this very moment before I dropped into ABF I was into the 2d movement of K570.

All of a sudden I want to learn all of the Mozart sonatas. Ok, maybe not all of them. Just K310, 330, *331*, 332, *475/457*, 533, 545, 570. And 394, 397, 511, and 540.

That's not unrealistic, right?

I think you need to add K333. A wonderful sonata, I really enjoy playing it. The last movement has a cadenza - you can imagine you are playing a concerto.

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I have an issue with speed too. I get to fast toward the end. Its hard not too. Really looking forward to starting K331.

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When time permits I'm thinking of trying my hand at one of K330, K332 or K545. I used to run scared of K545 as a teenager as it would glaringly highlight the flaws in my technique. Still does if I'm being honest but then I listen to performances like this and think that I really should give it another try:

Youtube: Lang Lang— Mozart: Sonata in C, K. 545, Allegro

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Originally Posted by psyche23
When time permits I'm thinking of trying my hand at one of K330, K332 or K545. I used to run scared of K545 as a teenager as it would glaringly highlight the flaws in my technique. Still does if I'm being honest but then I listen to performances like this and think that I really should give it another try:

Youtube: Lang Lang— Mozart: Sonata in C, K. 545, Allegro

I don’t think you are alone with that concern. Why is it that the first comment usually made when an amateur performs Mozart at a competition is, “Wow, they’re brave”.

I have to keep reminding myself to get off the pedal.

Thanks for posting the LL video.



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It is very interesting. I have heard mozart is a very popular composer but in piano meetup groups I hear him very rarely. I hear mostly romatic era composers. I have only played the very common mozart piece, K545 / turkish march. It appears to be relatively absent, as well as classical composers, in piano meetup groups. I have to be honest and find the music, with the alberti bass, a bit dull. It may be the performances but there is a few minor sonatas which are more enjoyable. If I were to play a mozart I would try and play one of the transcriptions. I think the first one works better than the second but I've yet to hear anyone perform them !





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That was the wrong one sorry . Just the accompaniment. this is it.


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Mozart is extremely difficult to play. It looks simple but in fact it is very difficult to shape something that can achieve simplicity, expressiveness, and refinement. Much more difficult than with romantic composers.

Listen to k 457 for example.



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K576 sorry, even if k457 is great too.

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really, very interesting. i only played one mozart adagio. they all sound similar to me sidokar !



i heard this minor one 1st movement which to me sounded interesting.



even the OP had said had played beethoven and chopin and only his teacher recommended it. i wonder why mozart is rarely played compared to romantic composers. cant be just me.

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Originally Posted by Moo :)
[...]If I were to play a mozart I would try and play one of the transcriptions. I think the first one works better than the second but I've yet to hear anyone perform them !
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The issue I have with that observation is that one is not playing Mozart but someone else's transcription of Mozart. Moreover, transcription of a work which in the first instance was for chorus and orchestra and in the second for coloratura soprano and orchestra.

Under the right hands and with impeccable technique, the Mozart Sonatas come to vibrant life, but the difficult challenge is that there is "no place to hide" in Mozart's keyboard works, and appropriately combining precision of execution with expression in content is very difficult indeed. Shaping a line in Mozart's piano Sonatas with seamlessness and precision is a great challenge that not everyone can master. Those "not everyones" are in the same camp as Emperor Joseph II who complained that Mozart's works contained "too many notes." In the right hands, there are just the right number of notes.

Many of the slow movements in Mozart Sonatas are direct evidence of his lyric style, so prevalent in his opera arias, that they are often considered "operatic" in nature.

Of course, if you don't like Mozart, you don't like Mozart; no one says that you must.

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maybe there should be a mozart 2022 where people have to upload a mozart piece here!

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I'm just now head over heels for the Mozart solo piano works. I don't know anything about K283, but this very moment before I dropped into ABF I was into the 2d movement of K570.

All of a sudden I want to learn all of the Mozart sonatas. Ok, maybe not all of them. Just K310, 330, *331*, 332, *475/457*, 533, 545, 570. And 394, 397, 511, and 540.

That's not unrealistic, right?

I think you need to add K333. A wonderful sonata, I really enjoy playing it. The last movement has a cadenza - you can imagine you are playing a concerto.

Some works take a bit more effort from me before I 'get it' and thereafter want to listen again and again. K333, his #13 piano sonata in Bb major, is one such work. I've heard again and again that this is a great work--do you (or does anyone) have a favorite performance?

Some of these sonatas surprise me because, to be frank, I have never been that moved by any of his sonatas outside of their immediate melodic hooks. They would begin to sound samey and Mozart-esque. But at the same time, I love Mozart! It's an odd thing. But some of these sonatas really surprise me, for example, K533. It surprises me because it's *exactly* the kind of samey Mozart-esque music that I held in ever-so-slight disdain when juxtaposed against a Chopin or Schubert, or even a Bach.

Here's the old inner dialog: "Oh, nice explosion of ever-so-tasteful notes, Herr Mozart. So exquisite, so perfect. I guess you cracked the code and made a good career out of it. Too bad you couldn't make me really FEEL things, complicated brooding things, like Beethoven and Chopin and the rest."

But K533 kind of shocked me because it's approachable, friendly, unassuming. Not to say it's simple. It's just...not brooding at all. But it's captivating from one moment to the next.

Oh, I didn't mean to get so wordy.

I have a little game I'd like to try out, if anyone wants to indulge me:

What are three of your favorite Mozart piano sonatas, and what is your single favorite Haydn sonata?

I'll start:

K457
K331
K570

Haydn: Hob 16/44 in G-minor.

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