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...evidenced by the improvements Casio made to the new PX-S1100:

- improved string resonance
- better speakers
- BT MIDI included (via an adapter)

https://www.casiomusicgear.com/products/privia-series/px-s1100

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I wonder if they have fixed the black vs white key weight differences...


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I'm sure they haven't fixed the ultra-short key pivot ;( No news about modifications to the key action.

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This seems like a quite small update, but at least they are improving.

...as is everybody of course.

Maybe we can expect some more Casio news this year.

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Originally Posted by EB5AGV
I wonder if they have fixed the black vs white key weight differences...
I don't think there's anything to "fix" there, within the current physical design. This became a big issue with a James Pavel Shawcross youtube video, but in his video where he looked at it in more depth, while he still didn't like it, as I recall, he concluded that what they did with the weighting was probably the best that could be done within the contstraints of the short keys, i.e. that altering it in one way would make it worse in another. The only "fix," then, would be to go to an entirely different action, with deeper keys and bigger chassis.

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Try it.. Dont like it? Don't buy it. But I'm seeing a load of posts from overseas players that are playing classical pieces on all but the most crap of Digital Piano's. Sheer talent outweighs quality of instrument..

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Don't take the title too seriously. This post was mainly about the existence of the new PX-S1100.

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Originally Posted by EB5AGV
I wonder if they have fixed the black vs white key weight differences...
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I'm sure they haven't fixed the ultra-short key pivot ;( No news about modifications to the key action.

Casio downgraded their already not so great action due to cost cutting and will stick with it for many years.

But no musician considers the calculator and watch manufacturer a serious piano brand anyway. Outside certain forums with a vocal following, they are not considered being part of the game. Nobody shows up to a gig with a Casio without getting laughed off stage.

So in the end, the toy action doesn't matter and Casio knows that.


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You are correct... Casio dropped the line in from the px s1000 to the s1100, but kept it on the px s3100. Let's see if anything happens in the cdp line.

In the general description they also mention "high resolution midi" but I found nothing special in the specs...

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In the general description they also mention "high resolution midi" but I found nothing special in the specs...

See the MIDI implementation chart, in the manual. The CC88 (hi res velocity prefix) is supported.


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Originally Posted by vagfilm
In the general description they also mention "high resolution midi" but I found nothing special in the specs...

Did Casio's "high resolution" MIDI implementation ever transmit anything beyond sensor noise on the lower of the 14 bits? I doubt that.


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Oh, the PX-S3100 has also been introduced now as vagfilm had already noticed: https://www.casio-intl.com/asia/en/emi/products/pxs3100/

Musicradar suggests that the PX-S1100 will be available in September: https://www.musicradar.com/news/casio-px-s1100-digital-piano

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Faster transmission rate would be better than almost useless 1024 velocities (unless it is true that they have some kind of acceleration detection to improve their 2 sensor action)... Onthe other hand, why do I care? I am not interested in any of these models...

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I wonder if they have fixed the black vs white key weight differences...
I don't think there's anything to "fix" there, within the current physical design. This became a big issue with a James Pavel Shawcross youtube video, but in his video where he looked at it in more depth, while he still didn't like it, as I recall, he concluded that what they did with the weighting was probably the best that could be done within the contstraints of the short keys, i.e. that altering it in one way would make it worse in another. The only "fix," then, would be to go to an entirely different action, with deeper keys and bigger chassis.

It's just sad for the poor beginners, who get tortured with these models and learn to play with deviant weighting. As a result they will never sound right on a real (digital) piano.


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Originally Posted by JoeT
Nobody shows up to a gig with a Casio without getting laughed off stage.
I've done probably hundreds of gigs with Casios. No laughing.

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Faster transmission rate would be better
What's wrong with its transmission rate? It's the same as every other MIDI keyboard, no?

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The original MIDi transmission rate (still the one in use, either with dins or usb) is just enough for the purpose, but does not have a lot of headroom for transmitting many simultaneous notes, because it uses slow (very slow in the case of the midi spec) asynchronous transmission protocol (ie, notes are not timestamped with the time they were generated by the key press but by the time they reach the receiver and, for that reason, timestaps may differ between the internal midi file and an external midi recording of the same performance, afaik). If you add continuous pedalling, XY controller sticks, and large chords, you run into transmission limitations and may have a few milliseconds of drift. How important is that? Well, it depends on your OCD.

With fast synchronous transmission you could timestamp each individual note to an internal absolute clock of the keyboard and send the info in blocks of data, creating a lot of headroom if properly implemmented.

So, yes, not a problem specific to this keyboard (all have the same limitation) but when I read "higher midi resolution" I was naive to think of higher temporal resolution... Not happening...

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Timestamps will arrive with MIDI2.0 which uses high bandwidth transmission (typically USB, but you can use MIDI over Ethernet).

But I suppose that MIDI2.0 is only implemented by prototypes nowadays. You will need to upgrade DP, DAW, MIDI drivers.

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Originally Posted by vagfilm
So, yes, not a problem specific to this keyboard (all have the same limitation) but when I read "higher midi resolution" I was naive to think of higher temporal resolution... Not happening...
Right. They're not going to do anything outside the MIDI spec. Higher resolution velocity is an officially supported extension to the MIDI spec, higher transmission speed over USB is coming with MIDI 2.0. Though I don't think people with (or who are thinking of buying) $650 Casios have faster MIDI transmission high on their wish list. Heck, it would barely even be a theoretical benefit. It's not like we're talking about a board that has wheels or poly (or even mono) aftertouch or even the ability to transmit on more than one MIDI channel at a time... really, nothing that seriously challenges even MIDI 1.0 transmission speed.

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Originally Posted by JoeT
It's just sad for the poor beginners, who get tortured with these models and learn to play with deviant weighting. As a result they will never sound right on a real (digital) piano.

Eh, I’d still recommend one of these for a student over a spinet or a worn out acoustic upright console. Or stepping up from an unweighted or semi-weighted action.

Heck, I’m probably going to need to buy one of these for myself, for a placement where I have to set up and take down the piano after each use.


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