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I was just reading an article about the powers-that-be renaming the Gypsy Moth because of its "racist" name.

Which leads me to wonder about Cher's Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves song (which I actually play occasionally) and even Gypsy Woman, recorded by the Impressions in 1961.

And there's lots of other examples. Gypsy Rose Lee (stripper) had a stage musical about her, Tony Orlando and Dawn did a song.... You get the idea.

So here's my question: Have any of you folks who perform ever run into a situation where someone decided that your setlist was "inappropriate" in that way?

(I'm not planning to stop playing Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves, but on the other hand I don't perform so there's nobody to complain....)


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I’m 1/4 Roma and don’t find the term ‘Gypsy’ offensive, and neither do/did my family. Some Romani people might; we’re all very much individuals.

I don’t generally find terms offensive. It’s policies and discrimination that I find appalling. There’s an awful lot more to be concerned about than changing the name of a song or a moth. Stopping the creation of generational trauma would be a really good place to start. Watching the self-destruction of my own family was much more horrifying than Cher singing her song.

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Times have changed.

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Being as this is a Beginner's Forum, I doubt many folks here have a setlist that they have performed for others.
And if they did, it was probably a beginner's Bach, not Cher...

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If you check the survey that was posted here the other day, I think you'll find that there are many people frequenting this forum who have years of experience and who play professionally as well. I'll admit that the name of the forum can be a bit misleading in that regard, I suppose, though it's intended to encourage beginners to ask questions and come here for help.


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I dunno what I'd do if I were challenged. i never announce titles, and the music can't be racist. But why should anybody care? We're all descended from a common ancestor, even us carnivors . . ..


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Originally Posted by FrankCox
If you check the survey that was posted here the other day, I think you'll find that there are many people frequenting this forum who have years of experience and who play professionally as well. I'll admit that the name of the forum can be a bit misleading in that regard, I suppose, though it's intended to encourage beginners to ask questions and come here for help.

If this forum where visited, literally, by only those who fit the description in the title, I am not sure that there would be as much traffic as there now is. Many with limited experience, as Frank Cox points out, come here with questions which are eventually answered by those whose profile doesn't fit the title but who offer constructive and helpful advice and criticism.

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Originally Posted by FrankCox
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So here's my question: Have any of you folks who perform ever run into a situation where someone decided that your setlist was "inappropriate" in that way?
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I do wonder if, for example, a singer would be comfortable listing Friml's song "Indian Love Call" or a pianist some of Edward MacDowell's pieces with the word "Indian" in the title where the word refers to indigenous, or Native, Americans. Is the term "Indian" in the American context not considered appropriate in today's society?

What about some of the songs of Stephen Foster where the word "darkies" is used?

Does the socio-historical context somewhat allow acceptance of such titles or lyrics or should they be avoided?

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I've never played "The Witch Doctor"

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This is all old stuff which is now New Taboo..
We used to have black comedians who joined in/led the fun of those riotous days!.

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Originally Posted by BruceD
Is the term "Indian" in the American context not considered appropriate in today's society?
'American Indian' is actually one of the terms preferred by indigenous people.


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Is the term "Indian" in the American context not considered appropriate in today's society?
'American Indian' is actually one of the terms preferred by indigenous people.

I prefer Dennis Miller's "Casino-Owner Americans"


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