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I know this can vary quite a bit based on opinion and style you play but at what point do you think someone is considered beyond beginner or what grade? While I don't care too much about what level I am considered I do think it will be a very big accomplishment when I can "graduate from beginner"

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Personally, I will stop referring to myself as a "beginner" after I've completed RCM 4. I think when I get to RCM 5, I am comfortably "intermediate" or "early intermediate". grin

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There is definitely no clear or correct answer to the OP's question.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
There is definitely no clear or correct answer to the OP's question.

Agreed.

In fact, I often feel like I'm a beginner and think that mindset is what keeps pushing me to improve.

Generally though, best to avoid labels and enjoy the journey.

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Originally Posted by fatar760
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There is definitely no clear or correct answer to the OP's question.

Agreed.

In fact, I often feel like I'm a beginner and think that mindset is what keeps pushing me to improve.

Generally though, best to avoid labels and enjoy the journey.

I agree that there is no clear or correct answer to the OP's question, but if someone claims he's a "beginner" but has had 10+ years of lessons, I will consider that person to be rather dishonest.


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As soon as one has played a single note one is no longer a beginner.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
As soon as one has played a single note one is no longer a beginner.

Are you serious? Everyone is so philosophical here. LOL.


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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
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There is definitely no clear or correct answer to the OP's question.

Agreed.

In fact, I often feel like I'm a beginner and think that mindset is what keeps pushing me to improve.

Generally though, best to avoid labels and enjoy the journey.

I agree that there is no clear or correct answer to the OP's question, but if someone claims he's a "beginner" but has had 10+ years of lessons, I will consider that person to be rather dishonest.

I guess it depends on the level and experience of the person making that judgement!

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Originally Posted by fatar760
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There is definitely no clear or correct answer to the OP's question.

Agreed.

In fact, I often feel like I'm a beginner and think that mindset is what keeps pushing me to improve.

Generally though, best to avoid labels and enjoy the journey.

I agree that there is no clear or correct answer to the OP's question, but if someone claims he's a "beginner" but has had 10+ years of lessons, I will consider that person to be rather dishonest.

I guess it depends on the level and experience of the person making that judgement!

I give up! ~~exasperated~~ crazy


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I give up! ~~exasperated~~ crazy

Ha that's the problem with 'labels'!

I've been playing for over 30 years, but sometimes I'll sit at a piano, play something, and FEEL like I'm absolute beginner.

Of course, alongside someone who is just starting out I wouldn't be considered a beginner at all.

It's all about perspective and not about questioning someone's probity if they don't feel the level they 'should' be at.

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Originally Posted by fatar760
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I give up! ~~exasperated~~ crazy

Ha that's the problem with 'labels'!

I've been playing for over 30 years, but sometimes I'll sit at a piano, play something, and FEEL like I'm absolute beginner.

Of course, alongside someone who is just starting out I wouldn't be considered a beginner at all.

It's all about perspective and not about questioning someone's probity if they don't feel the level they 'should' be at.

You see, in my mind, and I think in the majority of people's minds, the person just starting out easily qualifies as a beginner, but someone like you who has been playing for over 30 years, does not, no matter how much of a beginner you sometimes feel you are.

Of course, this is all in the spirit of discussion. I don't take these things too seriously. smile


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I give up! ~~exasperated~~ crazy

Ha that's the problem with 'labels'!

I've been playing for over 30 years, but sometimes I'll sit at a piano, play something, and FEEL like I'm absolute beginner.

Of course, alongside someone who is just starting out I wouldn't be considered a beginner at all.

It's all about perspective and not about questioning someone's probity if they don't feel the level they 'should' be at.

You see, in my mind, and I think in the majority of people's minds, the person just starting out easily qualifies as a beginner, but someone like you who has been playing for over 30 years, does not, no matter how much of a beginner you sometimes feel you are.

Of course, this is all in the spirit of discussion. I don't take these things too seriously. smile

Of course, I mean, at no point did I ever say I was a beginner. Only that the feeling of 'there's so much more to learn', is often the inspiration to keep on improving.

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Originally Posted by fatar760
Of course, I mean, at no point did I ever say I was a beginner. Only that the feeling of 'there's so much more to learn', is often the inspiration to keep on improving.

Yes, there is always more to learn!


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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
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Of course, I mean, at no point did I ever say I was a beginner. Only that the feeling of 'there's so much more to learn', is often the inspiration to keep on improving.

Yes, there is always more to learn!

Amen!

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Plover is right in that there is no real answer to ‘when am I no longer a beginner? ‘. Just as there is no real answer to ‘when am I no longer intermediate? Or when will I be considered advanced? We all want to classify ourselves, but if you avoid doing this, you will be much more content with what you have learned. And you will keep learning every day. I have seen some here who are so anxious to be considered at xxx level, that they learn one or two pieces at that level and play them badly. I know you haven’t been doing that which is a good thing.

You don’t need to label yourself as beginner, intermediate or advanced. I just call myself a pianist or sometimes a piano student.... since I know that I will always be learning. There will always be those that don’t play as well as I do, and those who play far, far better. I am where I am— wherever that is.

I know this is asking a lot of yourself — but it will give you peace if you can not try to define your level.


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For some, the term beginner means the amount of time one has been learning; for others, the determinant is the difficulty level of the pieces being attempted. Without clarification of which meaning is being used, it's easy to be talking at cross purposes (nobody here would ever do that, lol).

I dunno. I think I subscribe to the difficulty level crowd.


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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
As soon as one has played a single note one is no longer a beginner.
So does that make you an intermediate when you strike the second note?


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Originally Posted by Stubbie
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
As soon as one has played a single note one is no longer a beginner.
So does that make you an intermediate when you strike the second note?

Keep it up like this and you guys can start calling me Maestro.

Maestro Learux has a nice ring to it.

Most fields will determine proficiency and skill with tests and exams.

Use ABRSM and/or RCM as a guidance as when you stop being a beginner.

Beginner, intermediate or advanced.


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It's a fun thing to think about sometimes. Of course, it's all relative, and I don't think anyone here so disagree with that. If someone can learn and play something like Mozart K545 in a reasonable amount of time (say less than 2 months), I would no longer classify them as a beginner.

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You don’t need to label yourself as beginner, intermediate or advanced. I just call myself a pianist or sometimes a piano student.... since I know that I will always be learning. There will always be those that don’t play as well as I do, and those who play far, far better. I am where I am— wherever that is.
Perhaps it works for you, but the perpetual uncertainty can be discomfiting. Which leads to people who have been playing for 15 years to say... um, well, I play a bit. We don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but a constant inferiority complex isn't great either. Which is what tends to happen when the only feedback you receive is a ton of things to fix every week from your teacher! I think we should allow people to celebrate certain milestones and think about how far they are along in their journey.

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Originally Posted by ranjit
It's a fun thing to think about sometimes. Of course, it's all relative, and I don't think anyone here so disagree with that. If someone can learn and play something like Mozart K545 in a reasonable amount of time (say less than 2 months), I would no longer classify them as a beginner.

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You don’t need to label yourself as beginner, intermediate or advanced. I just call myself a pianist or sometimes a piano student.... since I know that I will always be learning. There will always be those that don’t play as well as I do, and those who play far, far better. I am where I am— wherever that is.
Perhaps it works for you, but the perpetual uncertainty can be discomfiting. Which leads to people who have been playing for 15 years to say... um, well, I play a bit. We don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but a constant inferiority complex isn't great either. Which is what tends to happen when the only feedback you receive is a ton of things to fix every week from your teacher! I think we should allow people to celebrate certain milestones and think about how far they are along in their journey.


Of course, everyone can celebrate and should celebrate but you don’t need a label to do that— look at how far you can have come in xxx amount of time. You might still be labeled s beginner by some, but when you look how far you have come, the label is irrelevant.

What you don’t want is to be so worried about labels that you rush yourself to play music earlier than you are ready for it, or aren’t pleased with what you can do.


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