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Been wallowing in my Grand Piano
I had the piano for a month now and it has been tuned and
some adjustments by Keith Freeburg, himself.

I have not been over whelmed as much as I thought I would be by the sound of a Steinway in my Living Room!

I think I have been 'overly' critical and listening to every nuance of clinks and rings etc etc etc.
It has taken the focus away from my playing.

THAT WAS ALL ENDED YESTERDAY!!!!!!!

I decided to put the lid down on my Steinway Model A II 6'3"
(That is how I always listened to my prior Grand for the past 20yrs)

OH MY GOD ------ I never dreamed there could be such a difference!
I feel like I'm listening and playing what I envisioned a Steinway to feel like in my possession!


Has ANYONE ever experienced this happening?
Feeling like you have a different piano when the lid is down?

I can't hear any of the 'workings' so to speak of the piano.
I now hear the smooth lushness of the piano

Even my playing changed as I felt the 'CONTROL' that high-end Grands are noted for.
(Felt it in the store - but not in my living room)


Needless to say - I am ecstatic now about this wonderful piano - AMALIA!

Let me know if anyone else has had similar experiences!

Relieved & Overjoyed
brdwyguy[i][/i]

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Lid down with the fly lid folded back or completely closed?

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Huh??? Sorry. Ever since I’ve owned a grand I’ve played it with 2 lid positions. Fully opened on full stick and closed with the fly lid back and music rack out. I never use the small stick. I would never imagine after all the posting about your beloved Steinway you had never played it with the lid down. So many things affect the sound of our instrument and it is delightful to know that grand pianos come with built in sound modifications.

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flylid folded back so music desk is still open


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the odd part is for the last 20some years I very rarely played my Schomacker with the lid UP, if ever.
I had the lid up on the Schomacker these last 3 months just to see what it would sound like, didnt hear that much of a difference
that is another story!

So when the Steinway came to the house, I thought. . . .I want to get the FULL SOUND of the Magnificent Piano.
Well I got the magnificent/mellow and nuanced sounds WHEN I CLOSED THE LID

I know it sounds crazy.
Maybe it is me and my discerning ear.
I have a habit of listening too much.
A few weeks ago my technician said, 'you are still in purchase mode, listening to every sound'


I believe this all has something to do with the size of the piano and the size of the room!

Schomacher was 6'1"
Steinway is 6' 2"

The Room, the smallest music room I have had in the last 20yrs is 12X14

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It made/makes me smile to know something so simple as closing the lid brings your Steinway closer to the piano of your dreams. Hallelujah!


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This is interesting. I've had my C2 for about 3 months.
In the last month I've been keeping the lid down because I like the sound better.

I thought there was something wrong with me!!

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I always play my Yamaha C2 on the short stick. And btw my piano room is 10.8 x 18.8 feet, with two open doorways.

I don't think I've ever played it with the lid closed, how funny! I'll try it this evening and see what I think.

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A few weeks ago my technician said, 'you are still in purchase mode, listening to every sound'

This could very well be part of it. I do think there are different ways that we listen, so if you want to play with the lid up, maybe try it but focus really hard on the music, the notes, the tonal color or something and see if you can retrain how you listen.

Another thing you could (should?) do if you haven't is have the tuner play a little bit after tuning, while you stand back and listen. I love doing that.

Otherwise just keep the lid down! It's your piano, after all! grin


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my friends - so JOYOUS to read your posts! smile
Thank You
xDom I thought I was crazy too- TY TY TY - or even wishful thinking or something.

Shiro: yes I tried blocking out the evaluation of my listening for a week or so, it helped somewhat.
which gave me the idea of closing the lid. Maybe I was hearing too much coming back at me.
So Yes, I too believe it was a little of both!

(I can't wait to hear ebonyk and Lennie's take on this, amongst a few other people that I have enjoyed communicating with)

Well I am off to play my Grand Lady Amalia!

best to all
brdwyguy

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Originally Posted by j&j
Huh??? Sorry. Ever since I’ve owned a grand I’ve played it with 2 lid positions. Fully opened on full stick and closed with the fly lid back and music rack out. I never use the small stick. I would never imagine after all the posting about your beloved Steinway you had never played it with the lid down. So many things affect the sound of our instrument and it is delightful to know that grand pianos come with built in sound modifications.

We are blessed.

Same here, j&j. I either have the lid closed and fly lid folded back, music rack up, or lid fully open on tall stick. There is a difference, though not substantial. Just enough difference to tell the difference.

I never (or rarely) use the short stick. It is my belief that if you leave the lid on the short stick a long time, the lid is more prone to warpage. But that is just my opinion.

All the best!

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It is my belief that if you leave the lid on the short stick a long time, the lid is more prone to warpage.

This is one (but only one) of the reasons why I always close up my piano when I finish playing. (It also helps keep dust out of it). I like the process of opening the fallboard and propping up the lid at the beginning of a session, and then doing the reverse at the end. It sort of punctuates that time for me. smile

Although, I've owned pianos for a little over 20 years now, and I've always kept my pianos all closed up when not in use, so I think it's probably just my personality!


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Interesting - my piano doesnt have a short stick!
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I think the short sticks are a relatively new edition. Here's my piano on its short stick:

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Your room is beautiful, S_K!

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Yes indeed ShiroKuro! Your piano and music room are lovely.


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I’ve also become OCD about dust on the piano so I keep it fully close with my Yamaha felt key cover over the keyboard with the fallboard down when I’m not playing it. I know other forum members who hate seeing closed pianos, but since so few of my friends can even play piano, no one ever comes over that knows how to play.


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If you open the lid, the piles of music slide onto the floor.

That's been my experience ....

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Originally Posted by iLaw
If you open the lid, the piles of music slide onto the floor.

That's been my experience ....

Larry.

/thread drift/ portable storage racks make great music storage solutions and it’s so much easier to find what you’re looking for. I’m one of those people that keeps every piece of paper including tuner’s receipts for every piano I’ve ever owned, so appropriate storage is a must.
I am OCD.


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Thanks David and j&j. I love how it looks when you can see at least a little bit of the inside. But this is also our front room, where the main door that we use is, so keeping it closed up helps mitigate some of the door opening and closing... Or so I tell myself!

ETA: I don't mind seeing a closed piano, because I know it can always become an opened piano!!

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If you open the lid, the piles of music slide onto the floor.

grin (you certainly are not the only person to experience this...)

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Originally Posted by j&j
[...]I know other forum members who hate seeing closed pianos [...]

Yes, there are some! smile


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