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I'm a total Pianoteq noob, but intrigued by the idea of adding a Pq 7 facility to an NV5S I have on order (if I receive it before Kingdom comes mad). My logic : as a Roland modeling fan, I wish to try modeled sound on the NV5 ecosystem and particularly the transduced soundboard; although I am not certain that the Kawai switching will allow me to re-direct a separate Pq channel to the tranducers only, for discrete equalizing and voicing of the soundboard.

I would also love to try the variety of historical instruments in the Pq collection in the context of team playing, not only into headphones or recordings.

In order to fit an uncluttered look, I wonder if an iPad (in fact, the one I use for Scores) can be used? My guess is that the input/output socket is unable to handle the (latest) Midi stuff. If not, any recco for a elegant dedicated small form factor unit (and mini screen) with state-of-the-art innards and audio software?

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I don't think it works on an ipad (yet).

I use a 2-in-1 laptop. i.e. one with a touch screen and keyboard that you can completely fold so that it looks like a large, somewhat thick tablet (Something like this: https://www.lenovo.com/ie/en/yoga/#xyoga). Color is mostly black and a bit of white so fits with the piano. I place it on the rest of my K300 (probably same as NV5S) and it works nicely and is not obtrusive. In addition I have a Steinberg UR-C USB audio device. That does not fit on the piano, but needs to be positioned close to it. It is black so matches with piano.

Alternatively, you use a Raspberry Pi. These are very small, inexpensive and can be hidden anywhere. Pianoteq runs on it, and you can control it wirelessly from a tablet or phone. Have done this as well and it works nicely. But it is a little more involved to get things installed.

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Originally Posted by pianogabe
Alternatively, you use a Raspberry Pi. These are very small, inexpensive and can be hidden anywhere. Pianoteq runs on it, and you can control it wirelessly from a tablet or phone. Have done this as well and it works nicely. But it is a little more involved to get things installed.
This is what I'm planning to do once my NV5S arrives.

I'm still not sure which DAC I want to use, a Hifiberry DAC which is very small but Raspberry Pi specific or something like a Focusrite Scarlett Solo or 2i2 who are bigger but also has more functionality like headphone output and inputs for other instruments, not sure if I need that.

I already have a Fiio E10k DAC which is very small and sleek but I'm not sure it's compatible with the Pi and if the latency and sound quality will be acceptable.

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I wish to try modeled sound on the NV5 ecosystem and particularly the transduced soundboard; although I am not certain that the Kawai switching will allow me to re-direct a separate Pq channel to the tranducers only, for discrete equalizing and voicing of the soundboard.
I think based on what I've read that there are no separate channels just one audio line-in. I'm very curious myself how Pianoteq will sound with the mixture of speakers and transducers.

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Thanks for the info. I checked the Modartt (makers of Pianoteq) forums, and even if Modartt won't confirm anything yet, it is obvious that the demand for Pteq running on the 12.9 iPad Pro is high. I'm not surprised as so many pianists use these on their music rack as a ForScore library. The inboard DAC is excellent. So my hope is that they will have a iPad version out by the time Kawai deigns ship out my NV5S. Fingers crossed.

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Blimey! When guys are using Pianoteq on the NV5 and other top ranking stuff, I guess it really is time for me to get a silent acoustic . . . .

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Originally Posted by peterws
Blimey! When guys are using Pianoteq on the NV5 and other top ranking stuff, I guess it really is time for me to get a silent acoustic . . . .

I think it is more some of us like the variety that PianoTeq offers especially with the vintage piano add-on instrument packs.

If I could afford a silent acoustic baby grand and a place to put it and have it tuned at least twice a year, I would have one laugh


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I'd re-phrase this as: When guys are using Pianoteq on the NV5 ... I have to wonder just how bad is the sound of the NV5?
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Blimey! When guys are using Pianoteq on the NV5 and other top ranking stuff, I guess it really is time for me to get a silent acoustic . . . .

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Honestly, this is getting silly again. You guys are reading things that aren't there...

1. The OP and I didn't receive the NV5S yet and cannot properly judge it from our own homes. I did try the previous NV5 model in the store and it was amazing.
2. I already have Pianoteq and a Raspberry Pi.
3. I like to tinker with stuff and the NV5S will be no exception. I'm also after the best sound I can get while maintaining great playability. I somehow have the feeling that the modelling-based Pianoteq and transducers can be a great match. But it can easily end up sounding like trash... In that case, big relief! I still have the wonderful NV5S internal sounds!
4. Please stay sane when you encounter the words Pianoteq and/or Kawai somewhere laugh

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If I could afford a silent acoustic baby grand and a place to put it and have it tuned at least twice a year, I would have one laugh
My thoughts exactly!


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I'd re-phrase this as: When guys are using Pianoteq on the NV5 ... I have to wonder just how bad is the sound of the NV5?

The NV5 sound is great.

However, sometimes it's nice to order chicken instead of a steak.

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I like both chicken and steak.

But for my next piano I'd like its native sound to be so good that I can retire the computer, audio interface, monitors, cables, cables, cables, and more cables.
I want a "steak" piano.
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I'd re-phrase this as: When guys are using Pianoteq on the NV5 ... I have to wonder just how bad is the sound of the NV5?
The NV5 sound is great.
However, sometimes it's nice to order chicken instead of a steak.
If the NV5(S) is that good it might be a contender. But I'll have to drive 100 miles to the Cleveland area to try one.
Since that will be an all day affair I'll certainly stop for a steak dinner before returning home. No chicken! smile

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
But for my next piano I'd like its native sound to be so good that I can retire the computer, audio interface, monitors, cables, cables, cables, and more cables.
I want a "steak" piano.

N1X!

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I'd re-phrase this as: When guys are using Pianoteq on the NV5 ... I have to wonder just how bad is the sound of the NV5?

As well-known, certainly to you: different people hear different things when listening to Pianoteq. But for me Pianoteq 7 is better than the Kawai samples (I have ATX3) when heard over headphones. It is not "steak or chicken" (both of which I don't eat by the way, but I did in the past so I am allowed to have an opinion on this smile ), although I do recognize that it is nice to switch once in a while. But in practice I only switch between VSTs, and never back to onboard. The onboard sound is certainly good enough and preferred if you don't like messing around with external computers/software etc, or if you are sensitive to latency (jitter). The onboard sound is fast and seems to be jitter-free.

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Originally Posted by Pete14
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
But for my next piano I'd like its native sound to be so good that I can retire the computer, audio interface, monitors, cables, cables, cables, and more cables.
I want a "steak" piano.

N1X!

Arguably, there are two VSTi on the market that sound better than the Yamaha sample:
1) Garritan CFX Grand
2) VSL Synchron CFX grand.
So which ever hardware you buy, there is always the option of Chicken.


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Why are we so obsessed with the ‘sound’?

You know, Glenn Gould ‘hated the sound of the piano’, and preferred having a vacuum ON whilst practicing, and/or practicing away from the piano altogether.

It’s all ‘bout that connection; that synergy between your fingers and the stars; that unexplainable thing, but most certainly not the ‘sound’. If anything, sound is the most basic element in a very complex dance called playing -with- the piano!

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
The NV5 sound is great.
However, sometimes it's nice to order chicken instead of a steak.

I fully agree, and I am confident that the NV5S engine is one of the best. But, like good old Winston, I believe "The best is hardly good enough", and that on the other hand even if she existed, it would be boring to always make love to the same perfect woman. I guess I am not the monogamous type.

This is why I admire those of us who regard their piano experience as a single-minded quest for the piano Graal, but I am more the collector type. And that includes the organ and harpsichord. I won't "tinker" much and always put cables out-of-sight, but if you dip into the digital universe for its convenience, why not enjoy the diversity it affords?

My motto.


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