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Hi Guys just need a little advice.

I bought an external Samsung ssd for the Garritan CFX software.

Came Preformatted with ExFAT.

Read that that format is a bit problematic sometimes and the APFS or Mac OS journaled is a better format.

Idealy I'd like to switch between Mac and windows if I can but I really got this ssd for mostly use with my Mac.

Any advice on what's the best format to use?

Does it really matter that much?

any advice or help with folks with more experience using Mac will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance

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Ok so I just formatted to APFS..

I know its a new format I'll be the guinea pig and try it out.

IT seems to be the latest for apple and I'm reading up on corruption issues with ExFAT because it lacks a journal or something so..

whatever that means

Will post up if I get any issues with it

Anyone who has knowledge on this feel free to chip in


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The new Mac APFS was designed for SSD and for new features of macOS so works well on external ssd. But the old file systems work well too. If you want to share with windows go with the ExFAT, I think it will be fine for loading samples and sharing files.


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Thanks.

Honestly I just want the best performance possible with my Mac and this is going to be a dedicated ssd for vstis so went with the apfs. It’s one of those newer ssds that has transfer rates of 1000mbps plus so shud be ideal for cfx . Cost about 80 us bucks but worth it.


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My external drive are all Exfat so I can switch between macos and windows, what is problematic with that format ?



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If you're only intending to use the SSD on a Mac, APFS is probably the best choice.

Like others in this thread, I use an external SSD to share data between Windows and Mac, so formatting to exFAT was the best choice.

However, I doubt the filesystem used will affect read speeds dramatically. More likely, the connection interface, controller, and speed of the SSD itself will have a greater influence.

Here's a relevant article from a couple of years ago (note: I have no idea if the benchmark data is accurate - it's just a link found after a few seconds of Google-ing):
https://www.provideocoalition.com/speed-test-review-plugable-nvme-thunderbolt3-ssd-external-ssd/

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ok I should probably read the before installing my Garritan on the apfs .. I can always reformat it in exFAT and then install.. brb


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Well would you look at that...

The ssd had faster speeds for reading with exFAT compared to the APFS..


interesting.

Write speeds were superior but for piano nobody cares about write speeds I'm guessing all that matters is the read speeds..

K I'll reformat it to exFAT and use it..

was actually considering keeping a separate drive for windows alone but if the speed difference is negligible I'll keep the exFAT.

Question though. Has anything changed for Big Sur though ?


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the ssd was really just purchased to put my CFX from Garritan on it.

It occupies way too much space on the internal storage compared to my other libraries.

Main pianos are Pianoteq and CFX . I seldom use any others so wanted to have the absolute best performance for the CFX..


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I would think you get the best performance with an NVMe SSD, but if you don't like keeping the Garritan CFX on your system drive (assuming it's an NVMe SSD) then the second best option is having it on a Samsung T7.


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That's precisely the ssd I'm using.. Arrived last week..

Ended up leaving the apple native apfs ... Dunno just feeling a bit weird using exFAT for the drive. I'd probably be using it with windows less than 5% so it doesn't make much sense..

Gonna load up my ravenscroft on it and any other piano libraries for the future..

Thanks for the input guys.


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I was almost positive that you were talking about the T7. To my knowledge it's the only Samsung SSD capable of reaching 1000 MB/s. I have the Garritan CFX on my system drive which is an NVMe SSD, 500GB.

So it's taking up about one third of available space, counting Windows 10 itself out. That's why I'm seriously thinking about getting a Samsung T7 1TB for the Garritan and a few other piano VSTs.

The other option for me, is simply moving the Garritan CFX to one of my SATA SSDs. Might even be enough, I wonder if there's any difference in performance between a 400-500 MB/s SSD and something like the T7 capable of 1000 MB/s (theoretically) with the Garritan CFX.

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I think 500mbps should be enough.

Only way to know is to give it a try?

This is my first external ssd so I'm excited


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I have had the Garritan on a regular SSD before. Can't say I noticed any difference when trying it on the NVMe. There might be a difference in latency and transfer rate, but if you don't notice it, does it matter?

I have to try it under longer periods though, play days and days, an hour at a time to really be able to tell. First on the NVMe SSD,then on the SATA one. Could be an interesting experiment.

I hope there'll be no noticable difference in performance and feel, with those two options, so I can save space on my NVMe system drive, LOL!

Good luck with the Samsung T7, it's a great choice regardless of all and the price is pretty good for what you're getting.

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I just got the 500gb for 80 bucks..

I went Mac because I like 64 buffer when playing.

Personally I have problems playing at 128 buffer I feel the latency

When I changed asio to 96 I’m good.

Who knows what other hidden latencies I had was on a middle grade laptop with traditional hD so had a lot of dropped out notes etc.

Had a gaming laptop for a short time but I don’t game and the screen was awful. Terrible washed out colors. Was a budget gaming laptop.. no issues with software though but I got the Mac on a ridiculous deal so just ended up selling the gaming laptop to a gamer friend and haven’t looked back since.


With the Mac I don’t have any issues at all

Switched from android to iPhone last year , got a nice two year old iPhone from a friend.

Wife got me an Apple Watch lol..

And well I’ve been using iPad since I was in university.

It’s lovely how all their devices work together. Can’t get to my phone I answer my calls on the laptop

Software pianos just work despite having entry level MacBook Air.

I think I’m slowly becoming a fanboy lollll


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It’s strange being all apple not too long ago I used to obsess over specs and build desktops when I was younger.


Then was an Android fan.

I dunno something about apple. It’s just polished and refined and tweaked to the extreme.

I’m guessing their walled garden approach makes it easier for developers and programmers to stabilize things?

Not an expert in software but it really does seem that their OS is better suited for music and creative professionals or hobbyists

But again not an expert .

the alternative laptop to the Mac was the XPs from dell but it was actually more expensive.

Anyways let me hush and not create a Mac vs pc thread

in the end I guess it’s mostly preference and what you are comfortable with.

Exciting to see where the arm tech with the Mac m1 chip will take us

I see keyscape has optimized their software for the m1 despite having minimum requirements for i7 chips, mind u they didn’t mention which gen i7

hope garritan follows suit.


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I'm in the other camp. I've only ever owned one Apple product (an Ipod nano long ago), and I'll never own another Apple product.

It's not that the products are bad. It's that I don't like Apple's attitude.

They're all about ...
1. Buy only from me, not from anyone else.
2. Everything we make is incompatible with anything made by anyone else.
3. If it breaks, we can repair it for approximately the cost of a new unit. Never mind that a 10 cent resistor has failed. The repair costs $1000. Tough luck chump.
4. If you try to get it repaired elsewhere for less (and you can!), we'll file lawsuits to put that repair company out of business.
And we'll lobby legislators to make it illegal to repair our stuff.
And lobby to make it illegal to import parts to repair our stuff.

We're evil.
We're monsters.
We're Apple.

Nope. No thanks. Never.

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I agree with a lot of what you wrote Mac.

However, I still went ahead and bought an M1 MacBook Air.

Honestly, this is the best computer I've ever owned*.

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* apart from my Amiga A500 in 1988, of course... wink


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Originally Posted by Kawai James
I agree with a lot of what you wrote Mac.

However, I still went ahead and bought an M1 MacBook Air.

Honestly, this is the best computer I've ever owned*.

Cheers,
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* apart from my Amiga A500 in 1988, of course... wink
True, my M1 16gb and my Amiga 500 (with 512KB trapdoor RAM expansion and extra external DF1 3.5" floppy) were the best two computers I've ever owned.

Hopefully some other manufacturer comes out with a decent RISC chipset to rival the M1. The x86 architecture is dead for consumer devices.

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I measured the read speed with all possible file systems on my external SSD. Surprisingly, the fastest is APFS encrypted (faster than non-encrypted).

And yeah, the MacBook Air M1 is the best computer I’ve ever owned 👍🏻


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