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Originally Posted by j&j
I, for one, think there are very few minor inconsistencies in upper tiered pianos. A bad S7X doesn’t leave the Yamaha factory, just like a bad Shigeru doesn’t leave the Kawai factory and certainly a bad Bosendorfer is never delivered to a dealer or never crated for delivery.

Your S7X has the capability to be the piano of your dreams.

Be overjoyed! Quit worrying!

I'm not sure this is true. The other S7X which had a phenomenal base, had a very mellow treble, which was why I couldn't consider it. This one had been on the floor for 2-3 years so it wasn't a wearing in issue. I remember someone once said on this forum that a good Steinway was a really good piano, but only 1 in 10 Steinways is really good. Perhaps he was exaggerating slightly though.

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Apparently in your long search you have yet to find the perfect piano. With the correct regulation, voicing and tuning to your expectations either S7X could come very close to what you want. Many pianists consider a new piano as a rough draft for their own piano technician to perfect to their specifications. If you had purchased a CFX, You would have been invited to the factory to give the finishing craftspeople directions on exactly what you want for your piano. Your S7X has fabulous potential.


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Originally Posted by j&j
Apparently in your long search you have yet to find the perfect piano. With the correct regulation, voicing and tuning to your expectations either S7X could come very close to what you want. Many pianists consider a new piano as a rough draft for their own piano technician to perfect to their specifications.
IMO this is never a good idea since there are never a guarantee any technician can accomplish this. It's also true that some pianists are almost never able to be pleased.

I think the truth is the pianist is much more important than the piano. How many PW members can sound this good playing any piano they want? (The pianist in the video performs on a fairly run of the mill short vertical)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aei0G37R4Tw

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I don't think I'm impossible to please. I just want some intensity/energy/richness from the single string bass notes. Instead of a "ploink" sound and then a dull vibration. But like I said, I'm fairly happy with the lowest double string note. So there's probably nothing wrong with the woods used in the piano. So I'm optimistic that the strings and hammers are all that needs to change.

The other S7X had probably the most phenomenal bass I have ever heard on a 7 and a half foot piano. So I'm still optimistic...

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Apparently in your long search you have yet to find the perfect piano. With the correct regulation, voicing and tuning to your expectations either S7X could come very close to what you want. Many pianists consider a new piano as a rough draft for their own piano technician to perfect to their specifications.
IMO this is never a good idea since there are never a guarantee any technician can accomplish this. It's also true that some pianists are almost never able to be pleased.

I think the truth is the pianist is much more important than the piano. How many PW members can sound this good playing any piano they want? (The pianist in the video performs on a fairly run of the mill short vertical)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aei0G37R4Tw

You are probably right. I guess it becomes an incredibly expensive obsession if a pianist cannot find a piano suitable for their own ear.

Thank God in Heaven I’m certainly not that picky.


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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
I think the truth is the pianist is much more important than the piano.

Spot on.

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I think the truth is the pianist is much more important than the piano.

Spot on.

I have been to a concert before where they had a pianist but not a piano. The pianist attempted to perform with only hand claps and foot stomps, and eventually resorted to entertaining the crowd with a handstand. It wasn't all it could have been.

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I think the truth is the pianist is much more important than the piano.

Spot on.

I have been to a concert before where they had a pianist but not a piano. The pianist attempted to perform with only hand claps and foot stomps, and eventually resorted to entertaining the crowd with a handstand. It wasn't all it could have been.

At least they made a start. There was a concert I attended where the pianist didn't show up. Needless to say we all went home :P

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Has anyone played a Fazioli or Bosendorfer and noted how "intense" the lowest bass notes sounded? What is that? Is it caused by higher amplitude harmonics? I'm wondering if the harmonics is what is missing from my single string bass strings currently...

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If you have an Android phone download Spectroid and have a look at the harmonics of sample notes on the waterfall display, or do the equivalent on Apple.


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Congratulations on your new Yamaha S7X!

Pics please.

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Your posts give me such sadness as you seem to be searching for ways to change your new piano rather than enjoy playing it. Can you let all these concerns go until you have been playing it longer and have had your first tech visit? Just play it and appreciate what it offers RIGHT NOW ??


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Your posts give me such sadness as you seem to be searching for ways to change your new piano rather than enjoy playing it. Can you let all these concerns go until you have been playing it longer and have had your first tech visit? Just play it and appreciate what it offers RIGHT NOW ??

Exactly. The S series and now the SX series of Yamaha pianos are very well regarded by piano experts. Most people on the Piano Forum only dream about buying a piano like yours. Please, for your own sake, play it and learn all about it and be patient with the piano and your technician.


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Your posts give me such sadness as you seem to be searching for ways to change your new piano rather than enjoy playing it. Can you let all these concerns go until you have been playing it longer and have had your first tech visit? Just play it and appreciate what it offers RIGHT NOW ??

Exactly. The S series and now the SX series of Yamaha pianos are very well regarded by piano experts. Most people on the Piano Forum only dream about buying a piano like yours. Please, for your own sake, play it and learn all about it and be patient with the piano and your technician.

Wouldn’t you offer the same advice regardless of the piano that was purchased? ‘Give it time and a chance. Just enjoy’


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Just talk to your tech. I'm sure something can be done, like lacquering the hammers of the single-string bass notes. Trust me, that can create a pretty thunderous bass. My previous tech overvoiced the hammers and the bass was dead but lacquering brought it back, and it had a huge sound! Right now I'm still getting used to the new hammers having a weird soft tone when playing softly in the lower registers. I don't know if this is what "color" means but I'm not sure if I like it. But I'm going to consult with my tech when he comes. I advise you to do the same.


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Of course it would be wise to be patient. Let the tech do his magic on the single wound strings and hammers and, as they bed in, reveal the rich sonorities latent in the piano.

On the other hand the OP has described a deficiency in the piano which Yamaha and their dealers have not dealt with. The bass does not sound "beautifully resonant with satisfying overtones".

FWIW spectrum analysis of the single and double wound strings in my pianos shows a similar broad range of overtones, not that I would expect them to come close to current Bosendorfers and Faziolis.

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Of course it would be wise to be patient. Let the the single wound strings and hammers bed in and reveal the rich sonorities latent in the piano.

On the other hand the OP has described a deficiency in the piano which Yamaha and their dealers have not dealt with. The bass does not sound beautifully resonant sound with satisfying overtones.

FWIW spectrum analysis of the single and double wound strings in my pianos shows a similar broad range range of overtones, not that I would expect them to come close to current Bosendorfer ot Fazioli pianos.

And shouldn’t any problems be addressed during the tech visit? The pisno was bought ‘out of the crate’ and will need some tech polishing


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And shouldn’t any problems be addressed during the tech visit? The pisno was bought ‘out of the crate’ and will need some tech polishing

I beg to differ. A premium piano should be properly prepared before delivery. It should sound even across its registers.


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Your posts give me such sadness as you seem to be searching for ways to change your new piano rather than enjoy playing it. Can you let all these concerns go until you have been playing it longer and have had your first tech visit? Just play it and appreciate what it offers RIGHT NOW ??

Exactly. The S series and now the SX series of Yamaha pianos are very well regarded by piano experts. Most people on the Piano Forum only dream about buying a piano like yours. Please, for your own sake, play it and learn all about it and be patient with the piano and your technician.

Wouldn’t you offer the same advice regardless of the piano that was purchased? ‘Give it time and a chance. Just enjoy’

Of course I would. Depending on which piano was purchased I might be a bit less confident that the piano has the same ability to deliver outstanding results. Most people are thrilled with their brand new piano. It’s like whining about getting the perfect fit on your new Manolo’s to people wearing Dollar Store flip flops.


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