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I'm very hesitant to attempt a diagnosis under these conditions ... wink


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Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
I'm very hesitant to attempt a diagnosis under these conditions ... wink

Good idea to refrain from arm chair diagnosis 🙄


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When a great improviser plays it comes from a place apart from the conscious mind. Depressed or ecstatic makes not much difference in this place. It is a place of feeling, not “feelings”. Bird, Monk, Powell... even Coltrane. Geniuses at feeling.

I read this thread with the same ghoulish “feelings” most of us have when interested in seeing greats as flawed personalities. Those feelings of schadenfreude are the flaw in the personality. You may say there is some scientific interest in comparing him to out of this world geriatrics, but it is a cruel comparison with no inherent value. Frankly, it’s bs and misdirects understanding where the real greatness comes from.


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Frankly, it’s bs and misdirects understanding where the real greatness comes from
Well said nobody before and nobody after had such a harmonic impact on piano playing my personal feelings


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Frankly, it’s bs and misdirects understanding where the real greatness comes from
Well said nobody before and nobody after had such a harmonic impact on piano playing my personal feelings


I am in total agreement with you. My personal feelings as well.


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My piano teacher knew one of Evans' drummers, who told her it was amazing just to listen to those chords every night.

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Originally Posted by IosPlayer
I read this thread with the same ghoulish “feelings” most of us have when interested in seeing greats as flawed personalities.
I think your thoughts about feelings you think most of us have are incorrect. Especially the idea that asking this question or talking about the topic of this thread is an example of schadenfreude.

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Here's a picture of me playing my DP-603:

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Ugh, I'm so depressed ... wink

In some seriousness, I agree about the schadenfreude thing, at least for some people. For other people, I think it's the exact opposite but no less problematic: a weird fetishization of mental illness or atypical neurology. Both squick me right out ...


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Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
In some seriousness, I agree about the schadenfreude thing, at least for some people. For other people, I think it's the exact opposite but no less problematic: a weird fetishization of mental illness or atypical neurology.
Or it could be easily be neither of those.

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Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
In some seriousness, I agree about the schadenfreude thing, at least for some people. For other people, I think it's the exact opposite but no less problematic: a weird fetishization of mental illness or atypical neurology.
Or it could be easily be neither of those.


Or it could be both. wink

EDIT: Sorry, I'm being goofy. I blame my afternoon whiskey ... laugh

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So what is your purpose Pianolover?


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Hi

Joining this late, but my opinion, is that in answer to the original posters question the answer is probably no. As many have pointed out Bill Evans life (and luck) was a mess. So I think the reverse may have been true. He was probably happiest when he was playing.

And this opinion is perhaps supported by the fact that Evans continued playing (very well) until only a matter of days before he was finally omitted to Hospital and then passed away.

In the end music was all he had left :-(

All that said it's just an opinion, I make no claims to be an expert.
I've read one biography.

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I already explained it a few times. It dawned on me that Evan's head position resembled some elderly wheelchair patients in rehab facilities and nursing homes. Not at all like most pianists who play with their head close to the keys. Since I think many of those patients are depressed, I was simply curious if Evans was depressed. It was simple curiosity and any posters imagining it was something else are just plain wrong.

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So what is your purpose Pianolover?
I already explained it a few times. It dawned on me that Evan's head position resembled some elderly wheelchair patients in rehab facilities and nursing homes. Not at all like most pianists who play with their head close to the keys. Since I think many of those patients are depressed, I was simply curious if Evans was depressed. It was simple curiosity and any posters imagining it was something else are just plain wrong.

How have you reached the conclusion that the head position is due to depression? Aren’t there numerous medical explanations other than depression?


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So what is your purpose Pianolover?
I already explained it a few times. It dawned on me that Evan's head position resembled some elderly wheelchair patients in rehab facilities and nursing homes. Not at all like most pianists who play with their head close to the keys. Since I think many of those patients are depressed, I was simply curious if Evans was depressed. It was simple curiosity and any posters imagining it was something else are just plain wrong.

How have you reached the conclusion that the head position is due to depression? Aren’t there numerous medical explanations other than depression?
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So what is your purpose Pianolover?
I already explained it a few times. It dawned on me that Evan's head position resembled some elderly wheelchair patients in rehab facilities and nursing homes. Not at all like most pianists who play with their head close to the keys. Since I think many of those patients are depressed, I was simply curious if Evans was depressed. It was simple curiosity and any posters imagining it was something else are just plain wrong.

How have you reached the conclusion that the head position is due to depression? Aren’t there numerous medical explanations other than depression?
I used common sense.

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So what is your purpose Pianolover?
I already explained it a few times. It dawned on me that Evan's head position resembled some elderly wheelchair patients in rehab facilities and nursing homes. Not at all like most pianists who play with their head close to the keys. Since I think many of those patients are depressed, I was simply curious if Evans was depressed. It was simple curiosity and any posters imagining it was something else are just plain wrong.

How have you reached the conclusion that the head position is due to depression? Aren’t there numerous medical explanations other than depression?
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Originally Posted by IosPlayer
So what is your purpose Pianolover?
I already explained it a few times. It dawned on me that Evan's head position resembled some elderly wheelchair patients in rehab facilities and nursing homes. Not at all like most pianists who play with their head close to the keys. Since I think many of those patients are depressed, I was simply curious if Evans was depressed. It was simple curiosity and any posters imagining it was something else are just plain wrong.

How have you reached the conclusion that the head position is due to depression? Aren’t there numerous medical explanations other than depression?
I used common sense.

Your common sense was faulty. You leaped to a cause that is not supported medically.


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JD Salinger spent half a century protecting his right to privacy. I think Evans would have desired the same separation of work and art, Pianolover.

You say you are simply curious. Well, now I am curious if you are depressed and hang your head... you know,one of those hypothetical “my friend does such and such”. Do I have the right to ask you, on a public forum, if you are and do?


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Originally Posted by IosPlayer
JD Salinger spent half a century protecting his right to privacy. I think Evans would have desired the same separation of work and art, Pianolover.

You say you are simply curious. Well, now I am curious if you are depressed and hang your head... you know,one of those hypothetical “my friend does such and such”. Do I have the right to ask you, on a public forum, if you are and do?
Of course you don't and you know you don't.

Bill Evans is a public figure and is deceased. There have been countless books written about him indicating he had a major drug problem and was depressed during at least some points in his life. These books deal with things far more personal than my question. There were numerous replies to my question that just tried to answer it without suggesting my question was inappropriate. Your equating my question about Evans with asking me a personal question is beyond ridiculous.

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JD Salinger spent half a century protecting his right to privacy. I think Evans would have desired the same separation of work and art, Pianolover.

You say you are simply curious. Well, now I am curious if you are depressed and hang your head... you know,one of those hypothetical “my friend does such and such”. Do I have the right to ask you, on a public forum, if you are and do?
Of course you don't and you know you don't.

Bill Evans is a public figure and is deceased. There have been countless books written about him indicating he had a major drug problem and was depressed during at least some points in his life. These books deal with things far more personal than my question. There were numerous replies to my question that just tried to answer it without suggesting my question was inappropriate. Your equating my question about Evans with asking me a personal question is beyond ridiculous.

Agree! This is some ridiculous comparison and makes no sense. If that's the case then no one should ask any questions, write books, or do any poking into the life of a public figure.

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