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Originally Posted by Kawai James
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If one is to believe the original Japanese link, there are only 300 NV10 pianos sold. It wasn’t said whether that was worldwide or only in Japan though. I guess worldwide. A third of them have already been reported on the forum. So apparently hybrid pianos are a niche market.

The numbers that you're citing in the Japanese news release refer to "Annual sales target" and should be taken with a pinch of salt.

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We could see that in reverse, if the NV10S was engineered better, maybe they'd sell more than 300 units/year. gringringrin

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Originally Posted by EinLudov
We could see that in reverse...

See in reverse? Like looking into a mirror?

Regardless, I believe the numbers are related to supply, not demand.

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Originally Posted by Pete14
You guys, I noticed that the NV10S amps are only 130 W; whereas, the NV10 amps are 135 W.
On the German Kawai website, 135W are still specified for both new versions (10S and 5S). For 5S there is still the old manual (NV5 135W). For 10S there is the new manual (10S/5S all in one version 130W).

Only for information ..... (Kawai marketing and/or web administration)

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Thank you MBiG, I will pass this on to my colleagues in Germany.

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Originally Posted by ˆTomLCˆ
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Be reassured, it is not because I disagree (without being sure I have well understood your words), that you are wrong. I understand that an hybrid is overpriced for some people (and not for others which buy them). Objectively its not a purchase easy to insert in most budget.

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This is a long thread and I don't feel like reading every post.

I played the Novus 10 not too long after the stores here in the Netherlands started carrying them.

I wrote a review here of that experience. (I had to go back and reread it.)

Are there any changes to the action of the piano or do the changes come under the heading of 'bells and whistles'?


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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Thank you MBiG, I will pass this on to my colleagues in Germany.

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Pete makes the -130W- discovery, and who gets thanked? Mr. Big!

The story of Pete: an explorer, always on the lookout for a new discovery that’ll benefit the ‘world’; only to see the merits diverted towards the ‘bigger gun’.

You know, my gun is worthy of acknowledgment despite its small footprint, for it’s not about the size of the gun but rather about the aim of the shooter.

I shot the freaking sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy! smirk

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Thank you MBiG, I will pass this on to my colleagues in Germany.

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Pete makes the -130W- discovery, and who gets thanked? Mr. Big!

Dear Mr. Pete14, i think we all know that you in particular - like all great explorers of past eras - do not receive the appropriate appreciation for your achievements. Please forgive me, using your great discovery to suggest a small correction. The honor is truly yours alone. After two years of "only reading", it seems to me that size is one of the most important factors for some in this forum, right? smile wink

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Originally Posted by Dave Horne
This is a long thread and I don't feel like reading every post.

I played the Novus 10 not too long after the stores here in the Netherlands started carrying them.

I wrote a review here of that experience. (I had to go back and reread it.)

Are there any changes to the action of the piano or do the changes come under the heading of 'bells and whistles'?

You only need to read the first couple posts. The rest is just fodder for discussion. smile No changes to the action.

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Changes & Improvements

NV10S
IMPROVED: SK-EX Rendering sound engine with additional Virtual Technician parameters
IMPROVED: Speaker system with 20 cm woofer and optimised speaker positioning
IMPROVED: Updated LCD touchscreen hardware and user interface
IMPROVED: Integrated Bluetooth® MIDI and audio connectivity, with aptX support
NEW: Support for Kawaiʼs latest PianoRemote and PiaBookPlayer apps
NEW: Authentic new electric piano, organ, harpsichord, strings, and bass sounds


NV5S
IMPROVED: SK-EX Rendering sound engine with additional Virtual Technician parameters
IMPROVED: TwinDrive soundboard speaker system, with upgraded primary and secondary transducers
IMPROVED: Updated LCD touchscreen hardware and user interface
IMPROVED: Integrated Bluetooth® MIDI and audio connectivity, with aptX support
NEW: Support for Kawaiʼs latest PianoRemote and PiaBookPlayer apps
NEW: Authentic new electric piano, organ, harpsichord, strings, and bass sounds



Suffice it to say, the purpose of these updated models is largely to bring the NV10/NV5 sound engine and system software up to the same level as the CA99, while also improving the instruments' speaker systems.


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Originally Posted by David B
You only need to read the first couple posts. The rest is just fodder for discussion. smile No changes to the action.

And god knows how "fodder for discussion" the different threads in PW can be sometimes ....

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Davis B, thanks.


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Do the last few posts constitute a foreboding? Is Dave Horne thinking about a replacement for his Avant Grand?

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Do the last few posts constitute a foreboding? Is Dave Horne thinking about a replacement for his Avant Grand?



Nope, if Kawai didn't improve the action, there's no way.

It's not a bad action, I'd love to pay it on a job, I just wouldn't want it as my every day piano.


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I wonder what Kawai needs to ‘improve’ about the action exactly?

Could it be the missing sensor strip instead? I’m assuming Kawai has placed some thought into this; even if for marketing purposes, “we have two sensor-boards, too”, but in the end it seems like they’ve ruled against adding a key sensor and instead upgraded the speakers, which some have been complaining about ‘round here.

Now, mechanically speaking it seems like the Novus’ action is the star, and outside of personal preference, it really can’t be faulted (mechanically).

It has been debated what exactly the key sensors in the AG really do, and if I’m not mistaken it might have to do with ‘key off’ samples triggered through a clever re-assignment of after-touch?

Can the Novus survive with one meager sensor (optical)?

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Why not every day? Is its action not as good as that of your AG?
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Do the last few posts constitute a foreboding? Is Dave Horne thinking about a replacement for his Avant Grand?
Nope, if Kawai didn't improve the action, there's no way.
It's not a bad action, I'd love to pay it on a job, I just wouldn't want it as my every day piano.

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Here is Dave's commentary after trying the NV10. This can be found in the NV10 Hands on thread.

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I just got back from a music store in Wijchen.

To make a long story much shorter, I wasn't overwhelmed.

The keyboard action wasn't crisp enough for my taste. It was a decent action, certainly not as bad Casio's venture into hybrid territory, but I wasn't thrilled with it. It wasn't bad, I just didn't find it to my liking.

I also have a complaint with the sound of the top octave, it's much too much forward when going through the built in sound system. (I realize everything can be tweaked, but out the box the top octave was too bright and too much in my face, so to speak.)

There were plenty of piano sounds from which to choose (as well as other sound groups). I wouldn't fault the basic piano sound though through headphones (Sennheiser HD598) I had to tweak the piano as there was too much bass in the piano EQ.

You can save your preferences in a Favorite setting but turning the piano off and on deletes any changes you might have made on the fly (without saving to Favorites).

I'm glad I tried it but I won't be trading in my N3 anytime soon.

At the very least, it's great that Yamaha has more competition in the hybrid field. I'd love to have a job where there was an NV10 every night for me to play; I just wouldn't want to own one as my full time practice piano.

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Can the Novus survive with one meager sensor (optical)?

You mean two meager optical sensors (NV has two, and not for a marketing purpose) vs two (less?) meager optical sensors in AG? While one of them (key sensor) in AG is grayscale, positioning another in NV makes grayscale supposedly much less necessary.


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Received from my Paris dealer :

"Bonjour,
Nous vous confirmons que le NV5 n’est plus produit par Kawai.
Nous recevrons par conséquent les nouveaux Kawai NV5 S pour votre commande au même prix bien sûr.
Avec nos remerciements,
Centre Chopin"

(We confirm that the NV5 is no longer made by Kawai, We will therefore receive the new Kawai NV5 S to fulfill your order, at the same price of course. With thanks..)

Good to know.


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Why not every day? Is its action not as good as that of your AG?
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Do the last few posts constitute a foreboding? Is Dave Horne thinking about a replacement for his Avant Grand?
Nope, if Kawai didn't improve the action, there's no way.
It's not a bad action, I'd love to pay it on a job, I just wouldn't want it as my every day piano.

It's different. My personal preference, if I had to choose between the N3's action or the Novus 10 action, would be the N3's.

On a job, the Novus would be perfectly serviceable though.


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