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I have been at the sonate pathetique 1st movement for a while (doing other things for a while) but trying to get it good. Problem for me is fatigue. Especially around the second to last part before the repetitions sound (bars 89 - 110)

How do you tackle this? Might I be doing something wrong - any tips and tricks avoiding the stiffness that comes with the fatigue?

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Without a video, it is impossible to answer to a generic question like this. It can be due to a number of things. As a general answer, there isnt any magical solution. The fatigue can be due to tension, or some wrong mouvements/lack of technique. It can also be due to to the fact that you lack practice playing long pieces, ie lack of endurance. Assuming it isnt due to some technical issues, endurance is something that develops over time, just like it would be the case in other physical activities.

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I have been working on it for hours on end. And its exhausting. I am very camera she so sorry for not producing any videos.
I have tried to ask my teacher but got no real good anwsers. But I guess I should probably take the "inexperience" to heart I guess.

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"...fatigue," "stiffness," "working at it for hours on end," "exhausting," are possible red flags indicating tension, as tension can cause all of these things. You don't say where the fatigue hits.

Without knowing - and seeing more - it's hard to diagnose the problem, as Sidokar wrote.

My suggestions, without any further details, is
- to concentrate on practicing relatively slowly,
- to be as relaxed as you can be in your hands, arms, shoulders, and
- to play softly until it all begins to "feel better."

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If the left hand tremolos are part of the problem, I think there is a thread about that on the FAQ section of this sub forum.

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Without more information…I would recommend you just practice these few measures that are left. Part of fatigue is practicing the earlier measures as well as adding these last few measures. . Only play through the whole piece at the end of your session. Graham Fitch talks about quarantine measures/bars. I have incorporated this practice and I rarely play all the way through other at end of my practice or couple of times in the practice week.


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Concerning the mentioned bars make sure that you help yourself with forearm rotation a little bit. Also it may be that you hold your hand too tensed in every position. If this is the case try playing it very slowly for a few days, relaxing your hand virtually after every note.

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Thank you. I tried to do it really really slow speedimg up and finding what the problem is.
I sort of tens up my hand especially the pinky. It's the right hand that's having problem - and the little finger has to hit keys quite hard while the rest of the finger goes on a bit further away. This making my little finger tense being ready to hit the next key all the while the other fingers doing what they do.
Is there a better way? If I relax my little finger in between - is it something I should do? It will be harder to hit the right note if it's not there already waiting

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This is where your teacher comes in! My experience, they will give suggestions pending in your hand span.


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This is where your teacher comes in! My experience, they will give suggestions pending in your hand span.
I will have to try again. Maybe i need to be more specific

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Originally Posted by Flygbladet
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I sort of tens up my hand especially the pinky. It's the right hand that's having problem - and the little finger has to hit keys quite hard while the rest of the finger goes on a bit further away. This making my little finger tense being ready to hit the next key all the while the other fingers doing what they do.
Is there a better way? If I relax my little finger in between - is it something I should do? It will be harder to hit the right note if it's not there already waiting

Are you referring to measures 89 through 98, 105 - 110, 257 - 262, 269 - 274?

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Originally Posted by Flygbladet
Thank you. I tried to do it really really slow speedimg up and finding what the problem is.
I sort of tens up my hand especially the pinky. It's the right hand that's having problem - and the little finger has to hit keys quite hard while the rest of the finger goes on a bit further away. This making my little finger tense being ready to hit the next key all the while the other fingers doing what they do.
Is there a better way? If I relax my little finger in between - is it something I should do? It will be harder to hit the right note if it's not there already waiting

I understand the difficulty, for smaller hand the 5th finger can't just rest on the key and it requires tension/stretching in order to stay on it, but the thing is that it's impossible to play with that tension all the time, it may result in over-use type injury. There is simply no other way than to remove it from the key and relax in between notes where music allows it. But don't worry about it, with practice you'll do it even easier than a big hand could do it from fixed hand position, technically it's superior. And let the forearm rotation help your 5th finger a little bit.

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Is the problem the section where your hands have jumps in opposing directions from each other? That makes it even more difficult since you can’t look in two places at once. Try playing the section in chords until your hands get to ‘know’ the notes, then switch to the broken chords/jumps. You should be more relaxed by then, thus helping with the tension.


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