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I tried the demo for PianoTeq many years ago. I hope they can make it available on the iPadOS and then it will have major value. After trying PianoTeq I went with the Synthogy Ivory II American Concert D. It was able to achieve a pretty great sound but it took a lot of effort to get there. It was still lacking something....
I'm now a longtime user of Garritan CFX so that's my vote. The Garritan solved the issues of the ACD and is a consistently satisfying experience to play. It's fairly easy to try all kinds of different settings and find something that sounds good. It can always get better but it's actually difficult to make it sound bad (I did this a lot with the ACD). It's fairly easy to install, license, transport, and use. It's not a bad value either.
I would like to try the VSL but not ready to go there yet. The price of the VSL (would be Steinway for me) is what pushed me to look into upgrading my DP.
Regarding the CFX, how should I try setting the EQ to give it a more mellow, rounded tone?
Originally Posted by RinTin
Garritan CFX in close mic player performer setting. EQ to taste.
I just can't get Garritan to sound the way I would like it. It is just so bright. I have been looking at the Ravenscroft 275. Hayden, from PianoGroove uses it for lessons and it sounds just beautiful. His playing talent compared to mine may have something to do with it.
Threads likes this make me wish I had the time, ears and means to test out other VSTs. I just like the one I have, and there aren't a lot of good ways to test many others. I just figure it's a deep rabbit hole, and I should just be happy and play what I have, since I'm quite happy with it.
Regarding the CFX, how should I try setting the EQ to give it a more mellow, rounded tone? I just can't get Garritan to sound the way I would like it. It is just so bright. I have been looking at the Ravenscroft 275. Hayden, from PianoGroove uses it for lessons and it sounds just beautiful. His playing talent compared to mine may have something to do with it.
I don't have the answer to this question but I tried really hard to get that kind of sound. I'm not sure that it's in the nature of the sampled instrument to sound like that so you will have a hard time getting it to do that. I must have grown to accept the brighter sound at some point.
What I used to do is to reduce the Timbre setting as one way to soften the attack. There were probably some other settings as well but I don't remember anything else. On it's own, the timbre setting anywhere to the left of 12 o'clock can start to get some very interesting results. And I don't think you can reasonably go further than 11 if I remember correctly. I think what happens is that you are somewhat dulling the overall sound so it becomes a kind of blood sacrifice to get that sound.
You can also try changing the tuning and see if that helps. Changing it to Germany/China or International and see what that gets you. Besides that, you can get some distance or more ambient sound profile. But all of these options, except maybe the tuning, will remove some of the close and immediate attack that so much defines the character of the instrument. After a long journey I think I came full circle. This is probably, I'm guessing, one of the main reasons for choosing one VST over another.
What I found most helpful is to try some settings that others are using and then tweak from there. My latest settings are a combination of suggestions I found on here. I tried for example:
Thank you for the reply. I tried her settings, for me they don't work. I do not play classical. Couldn't if I tried. Ballads, etc. So the bright sound is irritating to me. I have Garritan CFX, Walker 1955, PTQ, Baldwin Parlor Grand. I will probably uninstall Garritan and Pianoteq, keep the other two just for the option to play them, and get the Ravenscroft. Yep, Gom. It's a rabbit hole.
I picked up this forgotten thread just to bring attention (maybe unnecessary) to a series of youtube posts by Stu Harrison (merriam pianos Toronto) on different VSTs. They are more subjective than objective, and are not endorsed: the guy and the store are in full lockdown and this VST series is his way to maintain activity in the youtube channel.
After a number of other VSTs (including NI Alicia Key's out of everything else, or pianoteq 7 that failed to include the new Mistral), he finally tried out a VSL library: the VSL CFX.
I think that his video deserves a mention in the discussion of this thread.
BTW, Paul Kopf if you are reading this: offer the guy an evaluation license of the synchron pianos. It will be good for business...
Thanks for sharing, dude! Very nice channel and very useful stuff.
I really like the sound of the Ravenscroft. I just bought it, but I'm experiencing a problem with the install. Suddenly my pass work doesn't work. And I can't get them to send the reset password. This infuriates me. Why does the only password I used when I signed up not work after I bought the VST?
I worked with the 1955 Walker today and tweaked it to where I really liked it. Watched a video plus input from Embertone support. I’m blessed with an awesome top notch acoustic, but was actually pretty happy doing a long practice session with the Walker today.
I use NI Noire on original tracks - has it’s own sound (that I really like) and very playable. But I wouldn’t think of recording classical music using Noire as a substitute for my acoustic. However I might try the Walker for that...have a couple pieces I’d like to put on YouTube and might do them VI instead of acoustic. You experts could tell it’s not a Steinway but most folks probably couldn’t.
I’ve never used other premium piano vsts (unless Grandeur and stuff in Komplete is considered premium).
If your using that windows 7 for VSTs alone, offline music production (not accessing the net) that's fine. It will provide you stability on your current set up since Windows 7 won't be receiving constant "updates". But if you wish to use the latest version of your DAWs, VSTs, and maximize their potential, an upgrade is necessary, generally speaking...
Also looking a lot at the Synthogy Ivory II American Concert D
As I was on the brink of purchasing the (very nice) American D (but in the end chose Modern U instead), I asked Synthogy about Windows 7.
They were very helpful in their replies. They told me that they didn't support Windows 7 anymore because of Microsoft's ended support, but as long as my PC would run a properly updated version of W7, then Ivory II American D would run fine. This conversation was somewhere in the last quarter of 2020.