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Manufacturer's **claim** to be focused on making a digital piano play like an acoustic.
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... manufacturer are so focus on making a direct copy of acoustic that they lose sight on focusing to come up with different technologies.
Year after year and decade after decade ... advertising claims are made that the digital piano ...
... "performs like" an acoustic grand piano
... "blurs the line between acoustic and digital with authentic grand piano touch, tone and power"
... has "authentic sound and action"
... has "the allure of a real grand piano experience"
... can "faithfully recreate the power and performance of a concert grand"
... can "inspire players of all levels with its authentic acoustic action"
(All real quotes, BTW.)

I don't doubt that they're trying. But the claims remain unfulfilled, yes?

So they ought not cease trying. Instead, they should try harder.

frosas says he'd prefer a 9 foot grand. Me, too.
He says the NV10 is all he can fit in his space and budget. Me, too.
That's a compromise we all make. But that's not call to manufacturers to stop trying for better.

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I love seeing these happy reports!

It's been over 3 years and 3 months since I got my NV-10, and I still fawn over it every time I play!


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Hmm MacMacMac I'm starting to think you actually were a marketing Exec. and wrote the Advertisement copy laugh


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If I had the space for a nice Baby Grand and could play it anytime I wanted, then sure I would love one but as others here have said sometimes you have to compromise. I'll be looking like MacMacMac but in a few years for a great hybrid too.


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You slay me with that quip ...
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Hmm MacMacMac I'm starting to think you actually were a marketing Exec. and wrote the Advertisement copy laugh
I abhor those advertising claims! Don't pin any of them on me! smile

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I know that is why I said it MacMacMac wink

Really thinking for myself a nice hybrid after my girls graduated college would be nice. Really like the idea of having the optical sensors.


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I know that is why I said it MacMacMac wink

Really thinking for myself a nice hybrid after my girls graduated college would be nice. Really like the idea of having the optical sensors.


Well, the sensors are a means to an end, and they're not free of issues or wear and tear. But a hybrid is a really nice compromise for when you can't have an acoustic smile

Since this is 15+ years away, I like to think that my kids-graduation self-gift would be a nice acoustic grand. I'm sure with inflation and "dying industry" a new one will be $500k by then.


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I have no place for an acoustic grand and re might be down-sizing in a few years too. A hybrid makes more sense for me. In the meantime a slab would tie me over if need be. Of course if I won the lottery a nice baby grand would be sweet!


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Manufacturer's **claim** to be focused on making a digital piano play like an acoustic.
Originally Posted by Ampersand
... manufacturer are so focus on making a direct copy of acoustic that they lose sight on focusing to come up with different technologies.
Year after year and decade after decade ... advertising claims are made that the digital piano ...
... "performs like" an acoustic grand piano
... "blurs the line between acoustic and digital with authentic grand piano touch, tone and power"
... has "authentic sound and action"
... has "the allure of a real grand piano experience"
... can "faithfully recreate the power and performance of a concert grand"
... can "inspire players of all levels with its authentic acoustic action"
(All real quotes, BTW.)

I don't doubt that they're trying. But the claims remain unfulfilled, yes?

So they ought not cease trying. Instead, they should try harder.

frosas says he'd prefer a 9 foot grand. Me, too.
He says the NV10 is all he can fit in his space and budget. Me, too.
That's a compromise we all make. But that's not call to manufacturers to stop trying for better.

I am not saying to stop trying harder, I’m saying to use a different approach.

You can’t tell me that they can come up with a complete different type of action and that we got to continue using technology from 200-300 years ago.

I personally don’t care if it feel like an acoustic piano.

I just want a good action that I like and that I can play complex pieces.

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Originally Posted by Ampersand
I personally don’t care if it feel like an acoustic piano.

I just want a good action that I like and that I can play complex pieces.

I think here we all agree on that. But we may not agree on the definition of "good" and I am sure the larger public would prefer something "somewhat close to the real thing" than a much better action but different one.

Heck, we can't even convince manufacturer and pianists about PASK (Google it, too large of a conversation for here), let alone changing the whole action! Well, for PASK things are changing from Steinway and Hailun and Kaduk, so there's hope, but don't hold your breath.

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By good I mean an action you can play complex pieces / fast repetition / PPPPPP FFFFFF., you get the point. :-)

Like I keep repeating, manufacturer needs to stop trying to replicate acoustic and somehow come up with a different type of action.

I am probably the exception here but acoustic or hybrid does not do it for me. I cancelled my N1X order and instead bought an FP90X. I like the PHA-50 action better.

Anyways, I’ve said what I say.

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When I first saw the picture, I thought it was a polished mahogany cabinet, and thought "wow, that is gorgeous." But I think it's just "regular old PE" smile


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My condolences!

But hey, there’s always an unsuspecting used-piano market out there. I suggest you get going now before the general population ‘finds out’; heck, you might even get close to what you paid (or even more) for that there Novus.

Keep in mind that many out there haven’t got a clue about the MSRP scam, so it’s just a matter of finding yourself an unsuspecting sucker and simply saying, “hey, the MSRP is 16K, but I bought this piano for my son and he rarely ever played it (implying it’s like new), and, I don’t know, I just want the piano to go to a loving family, so yes, I’ll take a loss and give it to you for 12K!” (This is just for illustration purposes; you can device your own line of attack). laugh

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The Kawai NV10S is the successor to the NV10.

Updated Touchscreen User Interface (Same as CA79/99)
Change in position of top speakers
Improved/bigger woofer speaker
Change in shape/design of hammers for NV10S (to match NV5S)
Improved sound using the CA79/99 sound engine
Compatibility with the PianoRemote app for iOS and Android
Available in Ebony Polish Finish


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Frosas, I was only kidding about the NV10; this instrument is still very competitive.

I am intrigued about the 8” subwoofer and the ‘change in position’ for the top speakers, but now I’m not so sure if the sound engine was significantly improved/changed beyond adding more parameters to tweak.

More layers? Longer samples? Key off samples? More modeling?

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Who knows. But this will always happen with technology. It is a matter of fact. I will enjoy my NV10 many years for sure!


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BTW, I uploaded a video to Youtube:



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Here is another one:



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Originally Posted by frosas
Here is another one:
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Beautiful playing! Thanks for sharing!

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