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It's fine. They're all fine, everything's fine.

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It sounds good to me. An even singing tone. It does need some slight damper work - listen closely at 0:26 - there is a twang when the damper is released.

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On my laptop speakers this piano has a rather unpleasant "nasal" tone to it, more so than many other pianos I listen to on my laptop. It might reproduce better if I were to listen on other equipment.

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Recorded it sounds a little bright for my taste. Might be the mics, placement or preamp.

It could sound completely different sitting behind it and playing. Or in the the room listening.

Just browsing on the Wells Piano site, I heard this the other day and liked it.



And this a favorite I listen to often.



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I can tell that if you played that piano for a couple hundred hours the tone would become extremely metallic.


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No, I didn't like that recording at all - both bright and nasal to my ears but perhaps it's just me being picky today as the other two recordings above do sound better to me although still not good.

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I think with some good prep work that is likely a fine instrument.


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I thought it sounded nice enough. I noticed the damper issues as well. Who is to say? The room sure helped. My laptop tends to be generous to pianos. I need to play it and hear it in person. I liked the two in the video Dave posted more, though.

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Good basic Steinway sound, with a veneer of brightness that is a little unusual. I'd take the techs' note that it will cause problems if untreated, but is treatable.

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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
Recorded it sounds a little bright for my taste. Might be the mics, placement or preamp.

It could sound completely different sitting behind it and playing. Or in the the room listening.

Just browsing on the Wells Piano site, I heard this the other day and liked it.



And this a favorite I listen to often.


More lyrical all the way up and down. With much the same Steinway quality in low/mid range. I especially like the first one, although the second one is certainly delivering the goods.

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I can't help noticing in the Swartzentruber clip (at 01:16, for example) that the piano appears to be sitting on Townsend Audio Piano Isolators.

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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
Just browsing on the Wells Piano site, I heard this the other day and liked it.


I haven't called them yet on this but I was curious about it for in the living room. Don't know the year (has to be older given the price) but what is this, pre-Spirio ?

"includes the wireless player option. This player option not only sounds amazing, but it is headless, meaning that there is no box hanging off the front indicating that it might be an automatic player piano. The actuation mechanism is passive and has no effect on the touch or performance of the piano".

https://www.wellspianos.com/pianos/steinway-model-b-barely-played

I'm less interested now that I saw that.


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Originally Posted by iLaw
The piano appears to be sitting on Townsend Audio Piano Isolators.

Yes, but this was a kind of "blind test" of the unexpected effects of "decoupling vibrations through the legs".

Thanks to all who have listened and commented. I found the recording sounded vastly better when I used good headphones AND slid YouTube volume down to less than 50%.

Things to compare on the three Steinways are the clarity and resonance of notes as well as Maestro Lennie's apt perception of "a veneer of brightness that is a little unusual". That may run deeper than he thinks.

Does anyone know of a recording of Mark Swartzentruber's piece on another Steinway?

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Originally Posted by Withindale
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Things to compare on the three Steinways are the clarity and resonance of notes as well as Maestro Lennie's apt perception of "a veneer of brightness that is a little unusual". That may run deeper than he thinks.
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Originally Posted by Withindale Turn down the volume for decent sound !!!

Originally Posted by Keith D Kerman
I think with some good prep work that is likely a fine instrument.

According to Mark Swarzentruber the sound of the piano was transformed, by eliminating sound waves reflected back into the piano from the legs. The question is whether other pianists would welcome the change after good prep work, especially voicing.

Mark Swarzentruber wrote:

I was invited trial the prototype [sound absobing isolalators] and record my impressions from a performer’s point of view. The first instrument we tested was an old Bösendorfer baby grand. Like many pianos from the turn of the 20th century, it had seen better days and had a muddysounding bass register and a thin treble with short sustain. When the Isolators were put under the legs, however, a transformation occurred. The muddiness cleared and the bass gained transparency. The treble was brighter and seemed to have more length of tone. I could hear contrapuntal lines more clearly and control dynamics with more subtlety. In other words, the Isolators gave me an instant upgrade: the small piano felt like a bigger instrument in a much better acoustic.

Encouraged by what we heard, we arranged further trials on Steinway, Fazioli and Kawai grands. The result each time was the same, clarifying the sound and making the instruments easier to play. When we put the Isolators under the Steinway concert grand in the ideal recording acoustics of Henry Wood Hall, the instrument’s projection was more open and immediate. Listening to the recording playback, I felt that my playing was more musical in the takes with damped springs under the piano’s legs than without them. My experience of performing was significantly enhanced, and the musical results displayed a deeper, more spacious sense of tone.


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Note the sole reason for this post is to draw your attention to the effect of sounds reflected back into the frame and the soundboard from the legs of a grand piano. Not the means of achieving that.

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Here is the best sounding Steinway I ever heard - That is just MY OPINION THO!

The tone has amazing rounded, full & rich sound and it looks like it plays to Derek's whim!

It's the tone/sound I used to judge all the pianos I auditioned in the last 3 months!



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This is another PianoWorks video that is pretty much my favourite Steinway A3 recording:

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Brdwyguy, that is a beauty. Is that a B?.I liked the tone even through my phone speaker!

Hmm, isolators under the legs? wtf? Google here I come.

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Brdwyguy, that is a beauty. Is that a B?.I liked the tone even through my phone speaker!

Hmm, isolators under the legs? wtf? Google here I come.
That is a pre-1900 "A" with fancy column legs and a beautifully cut-out music rack. I, too, love the sound.

But... that A-3 is making me wish I had the $ to drop to acquire it. I like it even more.


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