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Thanks to NewerPlayer, I believe he just came up with a preset that makes me not hear the hiss! I don't know what he did, but one of these presets he sent me to try yesterday really solved the problem for me. I guess it's because of the convolution reverb? I don't know... But a dry signal in Garritan is more welcome perhaps.

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Originally Posted by David Lai
Thanks to NewerPlayer, I believe he just came up with a preset that makes me not hear the hiss! I don't know what he did, but one of these presets he sent me to try yesterday really solved the problem for me. I guess it's because of the convolution reverb? I don't know... But a dry signal in Garritan is more welcome perhaps.
We stole the ideas from CyberGene, Ralphiano, HCC, Jeff Hurchalla, etal.!

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(this reminds me to mention how important the Hall/Release Decay knob is - there's a lot of occasions where you want to have a small or smaller amount of reverb, and turning counter-clockwise gives you that.)
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...ed-in-garritan-cfx-lite.html#Post2705240

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Originally Posted by propianist
Blame Garritan (they made the same mistake with their New York Steinway sample years ago) or blame Abbey Road, or even blame the popular approach of all piano sampling companies these days, but they all make the same mistake over and over again...
Interesting post propianist. I imagine studio engineers don't go out of their way to lower noise for sample recordings; everyone has his habits, studio time is expensive, and everyone is in a rush. And the main consumers of VIs don't seem to care much about noise.

I suppose the bigger VI companies should be way in front with respect to noise but I'm not sure that is the case. Some of the VSL piano demos sound quite clean but I haven't played any.

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Originally Posted by Fleer
Forget about that Garritan CFX. It’s a (badly) recorded Yamaha as that hiss/noise is a disaster.
Play the latest Pianoteq Petrof Mistral and never look back.

With the right setup, there's little to no hiss. Calling it a badly recorded Yamaha is a stretch

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Originally Posted by Fleer
Forget about that Garritan CFX. It’s a (badly) recorded Yamaha as that hiss/noise is a disaster.
Play the latest Pianoteq Petrof Mistral and never look back.

With the right setup, there's little to no hiss. Calling it a badly recorded Yamaha is a stretch

I personally love CFX, but clearly opinions vary on this point. Good thing there's a lot of choice in the market!


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Originally Posted by fortnite
Originally Posted by Fleer
Forget about that Garritan CFX. It’s a (badly) recorded Yamaha as that hiss/noise is a disaster.
Play the latest Pianoteq Petrof Mistral and never look back.

With the right setup, there's little to no hiss. Calling it a badly recorded Yamaha is a stretch
Granted. It’s a recorded Yamaha with a (bad) noise problem.

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Funny how a vst can go from best around to unusable pile of hiss.

I still like and use it, apparently my ears are immune to hiss. I think abbey road studios might be the greatest place to sample a piano, to me definitely it's strong point.

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Hiss is an artifact that comes on top of the already fully captured Yamaha CFX sound. Our brain can cope with that. However in Pianoteq there are missing elements from a realistic piano sound. It's hissless (just invented that word) but it's also incomplete in regards to piano sound. To a more exacting mind that may not be acceptable. To me it certainly isn't.


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Hiss is an artifact that comes on top of the already fully captured Yamaha CFX sound. Our brain can cope with that. However in Pianoteq there are missing elements from a realistic piano sound. It's hissless (just invented that word) but it's also incomplete in regards to piano sound. To a more exacting mind that may not be acceptable. To me it certainly isn't.

I would agree.

To me emotion is about the most important thing in playing piano, I just don't feel it with pianoteq. Probably because of the reasons you stated, something is missing (but not hissing). If it ever will give me that, when it does, ill praise it.

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