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Thanks to all on this site
I have gotten LOTS of helpful advice here.

This piano is close to me, and within my budget.
https://www.pianomart.com/buy-a-piano/view?id=43480

However, I know NOTHING about this brand Schltuze -Pollman
Anyone have knowledge of this piano?

What is your opinion?

My current piano is Yamaha U3 , a good piano.
However it is 45 years old, and time for a newer piano and upgrade.

The above piano has been listed for a few months, and recently price was reduced. (good for me?)

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Schulze-Pollmann pianos are good pianos. Being a somewhat less well known brand, at least in the US, they can be good values on the used market in the US. I don't know what the fair market value might be for the piano in question. A piano technician who has experience servicing the brand may have some advice about idiosyncracies of their pianos.


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I came across Enrico's (PW member) post:

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I have sold both petrof and Schulze Pollmann. I would contend that the Schulze Pollmann has a sweet sound, while the petrof can be booming and sometimes bright. This initial reaction to the loud piano is usually a positive one in the showroom. However, in the home this booming and sometimes overly bright piano may come back to be not pleasing for everyday playing. On the other hand the less assuming sweet voice of the Schulze Pollmann in your home setting may be the one you are happiest with in the long run. The Schulze has a tone that sings and is warm and clear without ever becoming harsh or overbearing. I would say try the piano with softer sounding music, as many salespeople play bombastic pieces to "impress" you with the sound of the piano. Let the piano sing and I think it will be clear that the Schulze Pollmann is the better piano for most situations, and in my experience you will be happier with the overall construction and quality control of the Italian made Schulze Pollmann. (did you see that one piece back and ciresa soundboard and renner action - aside from the phenomenal case? Really what a piano! , It is the closest thing to a Fazioli upright you can buy (Fazioli doesn't make uprights frown )


disclaimer - I do currently sell the Schulze Pollmann brand, but man it really is great!

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Does anyone have any decent recordings of the SP 190?
I have seen maybe one of these new in the US, and unfortunately the dealer wouldn't let me touch it when I was in the store to review another piano (it either had some sort of issue, or was in need of prep, etc).

OP-- that is certainly a nice price, if the piano is actually real and in good shape.


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OP-- that is certainly a nice price, if the piano is actually real and in good shape.

Agreed!

I have played a number of S-Ps and I find them to be nicely made pianos. Several of their verticals were quite impressive and I have liked the 190’s I have auditioned.

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Schulze Pollmann are virtually unknown in Europe, in fact, I have only learnt about their existence through this forum. I don't know of any European dealer that has any of their pianos and have never encountered any of their pianos anywhere.

Looking at their website, this company is remarkably outspoken about their heritage and history, but somehow it lacks all the information that one would expect from a manufacturer i.e. location of the manufacturing site, management team, list of dealers, details from the manufacturing process, pictures of actual people etc.

The company now resides in San Marino, a tiny, independent state that is an Italian enclave. San Marino is not part of the European Union thus does not have to conform to any rules and regulation regarding website information requirements or company transparency. The EU requires every business to name one person in charge in terms of ownership or representation when the company structure is shares only.

When one looks at the company address on Google Maps in satellite and street view, it's pretty obvious that this is not a piano manufacturing site and judging from the number of cars (none) around the building this doesn't even remotely resemble a thriving business.

All this makes me think that the company's name on pianos is nothing but a stencil for a cheaply manufactured instrument from China, but maybe I am wrong and someone can actually point to a European manufacturing site with actual people working there.

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Their pianos do look very interesting. I have a small and traditional piano dealer (Chiltern Pianos) just five minutes from where I live and although they are mainly rebuilders they do keep a few new pianos, one of which is the Shulz-Pollman Materpiece P6 and although I have not played this it is the most beautiful upright I have ever seen, the photos on the SP website do not do their pianos justice at all.

Looking at their range they seem to have four grades, all of which have Ciresa soundboards, Rosslau wires and Abel or Renner hammers so they at least use European components but the Academy range (their third tier) is the only one they state a place of manufacture for i.e. in Italy. I suspect they, at least for the lower tiers, get the strung backs etc. manufactured elsewhere and then do the absolutely stunning cabinetry themselves.

The proof will be in the playing, but it looks to me as if these are most likely much better than just a cheap stencil.

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Originally Posted by OE1FEU
Schulze Pollmann are virtually unknown in Europe, in fact, I have only learnt about their existence through this forum.

Unknown to you, dear sir, but the most respected piano brand in Italy from the 1920's to the 1960's, and Italy is hardly a pianistic backwater. All the students at the Milan conservatory trained on S-P. My Italian grandmother had a beautiful 1931 Schulze Pollmann grand finished in Mahogany at her home in Rome, and moved it to Alexandria (Egypt) in her villa from which the family was expelled at the end of the 1956 war. It is probably still there.


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Originally Posted by OE1FEU
I have only learnt about their existence through this forum.

So it would be safe to say you've never played one, then?
Seems kind of curious how much you go out of your way to trash them on every PW thread where they get mentioned, in recent memory.


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I have played a couple of Schulze-Pollmann uprights and thought they were nice pianos.


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So, other than lashing out at me personally, no one else has substantiated this piano brand as not being a Chinese stencil maker.

Anyone with facts around here?

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We had the SP uprights for a short period of time. We carried them mainly for the peacock design of the veneer which we hoped would help them sell ( didn't help us much)
They were nice uprights, especially the largest. The smaller uprights were definitely made in China and maybe finished in Italy, and if I remember correctly ( it has been a while ) the larger more expensive upright was made entirely or mostly in Italy. Other than the pretty veneer design, what I remember most was them making a huge deal about the source of their soundboard wood. Val di Fiemme, in Italy, grown at 1000 meters high blah blah etc. Same wood as in a Stradivarius violin blah blah. If I had a nickel for every time I heard that pitch, LOL.

Nice design though on the uprights and pretty good pianos! We never had the grands so I can't comment on them. We only had them a short while as we decided they weren't a good fit for us.


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Originally Posted by OE1FEU
So, other than lashing out at me personally, no one else has substantiated this piano brand as not being a Chinese stencil maker.

Anyone with facts around here?

Are you thinking the Schulze-Pollmann web site has mis-information?

From: http://www.schulzepollmann.com/?lang=eng

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The 'Masterpiece Series' has always been the main point of reference of our craftsmanship.

It features a wide range of upright and grand pianos that are carefully handmade in Italy to the finest detail, using the best components.


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Originally Posted by OE1FEU
Anyone with facts around here?

Thanks, Keith!
The P6/126 is also the model with which I am most familiar.


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There is/was another S-P 190 piano for sale near me, which I played. There were a lot of things I really liked about that piano. Ultimately I decided that it wasn't the right piano for us, primarily because it was voiced so bright that I couldn't get a sense of what it would sound like when voiced to my preference.
I did see the ad for the one close to you. I would not hesitate to check it out.

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@Peter

Thanks for the response
I am in holding pattern now, no real rush

Teacher (math not music) at the end of the year.
When school is out, I will go play this piano and perhaps a couple others.
This S-P 190 piano has been listed for a couple months. I have had my "eyes' on it for a while



I am wanting a new piano, but no real time frame.
Also kinda hesistant to spend 10k, but at some point I will.

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If there's one thing I learned over the past few months of piano shopping, it's that there is no need to rush into anything. There are plenty of pianos out there.
I just wrote up the long story of our piano shopping experience (although I left out the bit about seeing the S-P). Pianos that I really liked ended up selling. At first I was disappointed, but then something better would come along. So it's all good.

Like I said, there were a lot of things that I really liked about the S-P that I saw near me. So much so, that I was tempted to get on a plane and check out the one close to you. In fact, if we weren't in the middle of the covid pandemic I might have cashed in some airline miles and done exactly that. (One of my best friends lives in Kansas, so I would tied it in with a visit.). The brand is legitimate. They are not a stencil brand. If you search Google/YouTube you'll find some video reviews.
In fact, my piano tech has a store in CT and he does video reviews on pianos, and he reviewed a S-P a few years ago that came through his store.

Since the brand is not particularly well known, you can get a very good, well-built piano, with top components, for much cheaper than a more well known brand.

As with anything else, get it checked out by a technician.

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