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So I'm not a professional and I never won any competitions, so I've never gotten to play with an orchestra. Some of you might remember that 5 years ago, I tried to create my own orchestra for Rach 1, and did the first two movements:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq2Iv7NGtT0XO_YJ4fCoEIssa1HQfyMe0

I've had a lot of free time lately, and I was taking a look at doing the 3rd movement. Looking at the score again, I remember why I didn't want to do what I did with the first 2 mvts...too many notes. I want to put together some "Music Minus One"s for my own favorite obscure concerti so future pianists don't need to struggle like I did, but it has to be more efficient than hiring an entire orchestra.

I first tried Melodyne hoping it could identify piano sounds, but it doesn't really work well with many instruments in overlapping ranges. Then I thought about using a score recognition program to transcribe the orchestral score to MIDI, but taking a bunch of basically level notes and adding expression is a fairly big undertaking.

After some thinking, I realized actual professional musicians can easily sight read the score, and (sadly) they should be cheap to hire. Does anyone who went to music school have any advice for how I might go about hiring music students who know how to hook up a proper microphone and record themselves? How much money would people want to do such a thing (e.g. dollars per hour)?

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Why not consider hiring one person good with VIs (virtual instruments) to do this?

Not sure where you would look, but vi-control might be a place to ask. This thread is at least a decent read. . .

https://vi-control.net/community/threads/which-orchestra-to-record.79238/

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Well done on the 1st two movements. Most of the orchestra part is convincing (in a few places you get what I call the "Accordion" effect).

If you can transcribe the orchestral score into the Sibelius notation program, the best output without having to add expression yourself to each MIDI instrument is to use a program called "NotePerformer 3" (https://www.noteperformer.com/).

I hand entered the score of the Mendelssohn Piano Concerto No. 2 into Sibelius (approximately 100 hours of work for the whole concerto) and used NotePerformer (the only thing I had to do was tweak the dynamics of the cellos and basses):


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If you really want to hire an orchestra, the musicians' union is probably your best bet. It will not be cheap, but hiring people who are familiar with the ins and outs will probably save you enough time and trouble to be worth it.


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Originally Posted by vmishka
Well done on the 1st two movements. Most of the orchestra part is convincing (in a few places you get what I call the "Accordion" effect).

If you can transcribe the orchestral score into the Sibelius notation program, the best output without having to add expression yourself to each MIDI instrument is to use a program called "NotePerformer 3" (https://www.noteperformer.com/).

I hand entered the score of the Mendelssohn Piano Concerto No. 2 into Sibelius (approximately 100 hours of work for the whole concerto) and used NotePerformer (the only thing I had to do was tweak the dynamics of the cellos and basses):


Oh wow, this looks like a good option. I can get through about half the movement with trimming piano out of recordings with Melodyne and a lot of splicing and effects, this would be a little easier than learning some of the parts and trying to play them on keyboard as I have horrendous sight reading. One big reason I wasn't happy with just using the keyboard on this piece is the middle section with strings just doesn't sound good with "accordion effect", NotePerformer would probably fix that.

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If you really want to hire an orchestra, the musicians' union is probably your best bet. It will not be cheap, but hiring people who are familiar with the ins and outs will probably save you enough time and trouble to be worth it.

How much money does this cost? I would consider spending a few k but I always imagined it would be more than that. A single person with all the good software tools can probably get through all the work I need in around 50 hours.

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Thanks, so about 2000 per hour. Hmmm...yea probably cheaper to hire someone to make some MIDI files for me, or individual tracks that I stitch together.

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You'll probably find interested people on VI-control doing a mockup for you.


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You can purchase recorded orchestral accompaniments for various concertos:

https://www.smartsoloist.com/


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