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Have we acknowledged this "secret update" from Kawai at all yet?

The KDP-110 is being replaced by the KDP-120 with minor changes. I can see the 120 already available in some places and one UK store at least was advertising an "ex demo" 110.

I've seen these changes being mentioned:
- The cushioning in the "Responsive Hammer Compact II" action has been improved to reduce noise at key return.
- "Low volume balance" feature was added to optimize the sound when playing at a low volume.
- Compatibility with the "PianoRemote" and "PiaBookPlayer" iOS/Android apps was added.
- It comes also in black and white and not just rosewood.
- The key cover metal trim color also varies based on the piano color. (Black for black at least)
- Anything else I've missed(?)

There might be some official announcements already somewhere.

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The ES110 went on sale recently back to back so, it's almost 100% certain ES 120 ?

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I noticed the quiet launch of KDP120 almost 2 weeks ago at most european dealers (both local or europe-wide large distributors). The model is not listed at the global Kawai website (or wasn't at the time... Did not check again). The small changes in specs are mainly due to apps compatibility. In addition to the list of small changes already identified, maybe the keytop material ia also improved (nit sure about keytop in kdp110). Very curious affair... I am afraid this may mean that es120 will also have no changes from es110 (they cannot certainly improve it a lot without making it a clone of es520).

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A hypothetical ES120 could get the RHCII action and still be a "lesser" model than the ES520.

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clothearednincompo: I fully agree as I believe that rhcII is a given in the future es120 (it does not make sense for kawai to maintain an additional type of action for a single model). But new sound engine or even line-in, those are not certain.

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Kawai's got a big problem matching up with the Value of DGX670.

ES120 getting RHC2 would only be a start, it's really lacking in the software features side.

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"an improved version of the Responsive Hammer Compact II keyboard action, with improved cushioning material that helps to reduce action noise when keys are released" - I hope this one works smile

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Why AFAIK all the Kawai official websites around the world, actually, don't know it does exist a "KDP-120"? confused

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Originally Posted by magicpiano
Why AFAIK all the Kawai official websites around the world, actually, don't know it does exist a "KDP-120"? confused

KDP 110 is not sold everywhere. I'd assume the 120 is still not a big deal for them.

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In some countries the KDP-110 is called CN17... So, there will be a CN18 too?

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I've got the es110 and es920. I'm fine with the action on the es110, in fact I really like it. As a super lightweight board it's brilliant and cheap. If it were up to me, the improvements to the es120 would be:

- Aux in for goodness sake!!!!!!! It's crazy this was omitted in the first place.

- More sounds. Why there aren't at least 50-60 sounds to make it more suitable for bread and butter requirements is beyond me, same for the es520/920. Kawai would sell a shoot load more of the es120s, esp at such a low weight, to gigging players if they'd emulate the MP7SE to some extent (which has 250 sounds).
The new FP-30X, $50 more in the US at $749, has BT Audio (!!!), 56 sounds (not 19), 22 watts of speaker power vs 14, a USB port, and a port for a 3-pedal optional pedal (a no-brainer in my book, makes for some pricey options to add later, the Kawai GFP-3 costs $125)

- Improved sound quality and volume from speakers. While I'd love this, I'd take the other improvements over this being that they'd possibly have to add to the weight and change up the chassis. However, it could simply be having more watts to drive better speakers in the same chassis

- Built-in audio interface. This would be the bees knees, absolutely topper. I think Yamaha has set a very good example with this, every board these days would do well to have it. And if they didn't add more sounds, at least having an audio interface would make hooking up to an iPad a slam dunk

- Improved UI. Even if they don't add a screen, they could provide more buttons and lights. I have my e110 lined with tape above and below the keys to show all the functions you can do with a button held and push a key! Looks tacky, I wish they'd be clever about improving this!

I know they're competing at a price point where every $50-100 is a big deal, but I adore the action and weight of the es110, I think it's a brilliant platform to start from, and even if it was $50-100 more, there's a lot more people who'd buy it if it wasn't so hampered by the things I mentioned above.

Oh yeah, and then there's the KDP110/120. I wonder if they sell more than the es11o. To my mind, the es110/120 would have lots more units sold, but who knows, the home market is supposedly stronger than I ever thought.

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Good news on the updated KDP 120. If the reliability has been significantly improved, this could be the best choice in this price category for digital consoles. Any idea on when this will be available in the United States?

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Originally Posted by magicpiano
Why AFAIK all the Kawai official websites around the world, actually, don't know it does exist a "KDP-120"? confused

There are actually a number of reasons for this, however it's probably best not to detail them here.

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Originally Posted by magicpiano
Why AFAIK all the Kawai official websites around the world, actually, don't know it does exist a "KDP-120"? confused

There are actually a number of reasons for this, however it's probably best not to detail them here.

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What's the ETA on ES120 ?

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Great News!! Thanks! 🥳

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The KDP120 release was announced 3 weeks ago in Australia:
https://www.soundcentre.com.au/blog/news/new-for-2021-kawai-announces-the-kdp120-digital-piano

Perhaps they were keeping the announcement low key due to (chip) supply shortages.

Does it support USB Audio or just USB MIDI?

Note that the Roland FP-30X actually supports USB Audio - it's just not documented in the user manual. So user manuals don't give you all the answers smile

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Originally Posted by Burkey

Yes, dribs and drabs of information started to be published on various dealer websites a little while ago, however the official product announcement was on the 11th May.

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Does it support USB Audio or just USB MIDI?

USB MIDI and Bluetooth MIDI only.

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