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So I'm going to be signing up for the Dorothy Taubman event that Rich G. posted about here. There's a neat opportunity during the seminar:

“Registered Students will receive necessary handouts and a link to Dr. Chang's "Rapid Results Master Class" where you can submit your problem passages for presentation at the class prior to the event."

I started thinking about KevinM's post here: Schumann's melody - fingering, and then remembered my challenges with Foreign Lands & People, LOL.

I'm just curious what everyone's "biggest problem passage" is, or at least one of them. Which would you submit?


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I'm considering signing up as well!

I don't know what my current problem passage would be, I'm not really playing anything that's intricate... No wait, yes I am! whome

Although it's not in the traditional classical literature, so maybe not appropriate???


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I think mostly my problems are just down to a lack of discipline. For example I struggle with polyrhythms but the answer is mostly putting in the work and right kind of work.

But one thing recently isn’t just about the discipline. There is a run of thirds in A Ffrench’s bluebird. After I put the piece aside I very quickly lost the ability to play the run of thirds, it was like to be able to play them required constant reinforcement.

So when I got a new virtual piano I could still play Bluebird but the run of thirds was a disaster and it was like I was learning to play them all over again. So I just had to practise hard just one small part of the piece and that got tedious really quick.

A question might be, how do you lock in a skill you have worked hard to gain?

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Measures 61-64 of Schubert's Standchen (Winkelmann arrangement), no question.


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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
I'm considering signing up as well!

I don't know what my current problem passage would be, I'm not really playing anything that's intricate... No wait, yes I am! whome

Although it's not in the traditional classical literature, so maybe not appropriate???
I think anything would be appropriate, to be honest! After all, it’s meant to help us. 😊


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Originally Posted by KevinM
A question might be, how do you lock in a skill you have worked hard to gain?

Tell me the answer and we’ll both know. Perhaps we have a tendency to analyse things which go wrong and forget them the first time they come right ? Since I consciously set about analysing precisely why I had just played well my relapses have become much less frequent but it isn’t the whole story by any means.


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Originally Posted by KevinM
A question might be, how do you lock in a skill you have worked hard to gain?
That’s a very good question!

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I’ve never played anything by Schubert that I would consider easy! That looks quite challenging indeed. I’m actually avoiding the next passage in the Schubert waltz I’m playing because it looks like a nightmare. 😂😂😂

I signed up for the seminar, so I guess I better put my thinking cap on. Or thinking cat, as the case may be, LOL!

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I would propose this part from Rachmaninoff 33.4

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Notice several issues in that part

1. The sheer number of accidentals, almost every note is altered, which makes this passage (and other similar passages in the piece) almost unreadable
2. The chromatics that make the notes sound not tonal , almost random, and very hard to memorize
3. The overheld notes in the left hand against staccato notes in the right hand seem to imply you can't use the pedal. But the wide chords in the left hand seem to prevent finger legato.


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Originally Posted by wouter79
Notice several issues in that part

1. The sheer number of accidentals, almost every note is altered, which makes this passage (and other similar passages in the piece) almost unreadable
2. The chromatics that make the notes sound not tonal , almost random, and very hard to memorize
3. The overheld notes in the left hand against staccato notes in the right hand seem to imply you can't use the pedal. But the wide chords in the left hand seem to prevent finger legato.
Those are all great examples! That passage looks impossible! 😱


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Originally Posted by wouter79
Notice several issues in that part

1. The sheer number of accidentals, almost every note is altered, which makes this passage (and other similar passages in the piece) almost unreadable
2. The chromatics that make the notes sound not tonal , almost random, and very hard to memorize
3. The overheld notes in the left hand against staccato notes in the right hand seem to imply you can't use the pedal. But the wide chords in the left hand seem to prevent finger legato.

In that spirit, I propose the entire Volume 6 of Bartok's Mikrokosmos. eek


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stubbie I'm not going to download and read an entire volume but maybe you can post your favourite measures here :-)


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