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Whether people think / feel that headphones are too loud has little correlation with whether they actually are too loud, if by "too loud" we mean "could damage my hearing." I suggest the OP try to look up some info from medical experts, which would be far better than asking a bunch of piano players. laugh


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There is definitely some truth to the common sense approach: if you're having ear pain or a reduction in hearing sensitivity after playing, it's too loud.

That Osha app and a board with a phone-sized hole in it should be all you need to get "good enough" measurements. Maybe I should look into it to be more certainly, but there are many of the apps on the App Store and I'm more than sure at least one of them can do everything you need. Maybe people use these for this exact purpose and it's why they were made in the first place. There are actually very sophisticated apps for this purpose on the App Store.

One problem with some good headphones is that they sound great, do not have any annoying frequency response problems, and they don't distort until they are above a 'bad for your hearing' level. In the case of the OP, until they are far above hearing damage levels. It's not really a problem, it's just good engineering, but it does require the end user to be more cautious and I think this is a brilliant thread worth exploring.

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Pianoworld remains such a lovely place to ask a question!

So much usefull information and good tips in all the reply's, thanks alot everyone. 3hearts

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Originally Posted by U3piano
Pianoworld remains such a lovely place to ask a question!

So much usefull information and good tips in all the reply's, thanks alot everyone. 3hearts

Sarcasm?

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Originally Posted by Pete14
Sarcasm?

No, I mean that.

Nice people hang around here.

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Hello,

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They do 🙂.

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This thread brought out some technical aspects of headphone listening which are rarely spoken about in headphone reviews and related articles/videos. I learnt new things.

It certainly is not an exaggeration when I state that I learn something new from PW, every few days, if not daily.

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Originally Posted by U3piano
Pianoworld remains such a lovely place to ask a question!

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Definitely.

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I successfully engaged in hearing conservation for several years. thumb But, she eventually divorced me. shocked


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In choosing from a few threads where this could have been shared, I randomly decided to share this here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zbvht39

The article talks about a profoundly deaf musician and also explains in brief about levels of deafness:

There are four different levels of deafness:

* mild - where a sound needs to be above 26-40 decibels (dB) to be heard
* moderate - 41-55 dB
* severe - 71-90 dB
and profound - 91+ dB or where a person can detect no sound.

Certainly an opposite discussion of U3's original question. Nevertheless, I think it offers some thoughts to ponder.

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George Martin in his book, All You Need is Ears", warned of playing headphones too loudly. Here is a simple trick for determine loudness. When you first turn on the system with the 'phones on your head. Immediately set the volume to where it is comfortable and not loud. Done.

Oh really? Yes. What happens is your ear/brain system normalizes volume somewhat. So if you start out loud, you very quickly loose your relative perception. If you start out comfortable or just a tad lower, you ear/brain compensates and you don't need to turn it up.

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I would take off the headphones, put them aside and listen how loud the music is.
Now imagine someone you care about was wearing the headphones!
Would you tell this person to turn the volume down because he/she is ruining his/her ears?
If so, then it is definitely too loud.

Sometimes when I play with headphones i miss to make up my mind about the volume.
Then sometimes my girlfriend comes into the room and asks me if I have any idea of how loud the sound is.

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